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Will Cork Appeal Munster Under 20 Final?

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Replying To midlands:  "Bad decision and the goal was key, but Cork will also be kicking themselves at the amount of wides they shot, especially in the second half. Plus, when a point was there for the taking from a close-in free, they tried a Dessie Hutchinson/Stephen Bennett stunt but all they got was a 65 which was sent wide. Having said that, an Offaly-Tipp final next weekend is an interesting prospect, with many of the same players from the 2022 minor final involved. The man who "stole" that game for Tipp, Paddy McCormack, was badly missed by Tipp last night and must be very doubtful for the final."
10 wides or 100 wides is irrelevant to the issue to hand, ball not only crossed the line but actually was pushed into the roof of the net which shook..as an Offaly man I must be balanced and mention a shot in 1985 All Ireland V Galway when a Galway shot clearly was pulled from at least 6 inches behind the line...Offaly won by 2 (2-11 to 1-12)..it was only highlighted that night on the Sunday Game..the Gaa dont want or like appeals..

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1037 - 25/05/2024 21:35:44    2547090

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Replying To Bon:  "While I see what people are saying that cork had enough chances to win the game with all their wides, however I think the amount of wides they had is irrelevant when it comes to the goal. This was a perfectly good goal that wasn't given, a team has a right to be given scores that were indeed scores. Then to lose a game by such fine a fine margin I think they have every right to feel aggrieved.
But once again in true GAA fashion this will be pushed under the carpet and nothing will change and this will continue to happen. No learning curve whatsoever.
On a side note as much as I love TG4 I don't think it was the right time after the game to bring up the goal with Brendan Cummins, it wasn't his problem, it's not up to him to worry about scores not given to opposition."
Same happened in All club hurling final this year. Perfect goal not given.

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 156 - 25/05/2024 21:48:40    2547094

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "10 wides or 100 wides is irrelevant to the issue to hand, ball not only crossed the line but actually was pushed into the roof of the net which shook..as an Offaly man I must be balanced and mention a shot in 1985 All Ireland V Galway when a Galway shot clearly was pulled from at least 6 inches behind the line...Offaly won by 2 (2-11 to 1-12)..it was only highlighted that night on the Sunday Game..the Gaa dont want or like appeals.."
No sporting organization wants appeals against results be it GAA,Soccer,Rugby or anything else.What we must do is improve the technology at our grounds to solve these issues.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1544 - 26/05/2024 08:20:18    2547115

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A referee, linesman or umpire making a mistake is part and parcel of the game. It has happened in every game ever played and will happen in every game to be played. Some go for you and some go against you.

There is nothing that can be done to completely eradicate it.

You have to just take it on the chin and move on. Talking about appeals is childish imo. Next people be suggesting not keeping score in case someone feels bad for losing.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13775 - 26/05/2024 08:36:01    2547118

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "Same happened in All club hurling final this year. Perfect goal not given."
1985 all-ireland senior hurling final, there was a goal not counted also.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3820 - 26/05/2024 08:37:48    2547119

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "10 wides or 100 wides is irrelevant to the issue to hand, ball not only crossed the line but actually was pushed into the roof of the net which shook..as an Offaly man I must be balanced and mention a shot in 1985 All Ireland V Galway when a Galway shot clearly was pulled from at least 6 inches behind the line...Offaly won by 2 (2-11 to 1-12)..it was only highlighted that night on the Sunday Game..the Gaa dont want or like appeals.."
It wasn't 'pulled' out in fairness, it spun back out, after dropping a clear 6 inches inside the goal line.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3820 - 26/05/2024 08:42:55    2547122

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I remember the 1985 goal not given in the final, glad it was Offaly that benefitted from it at least, fair play to them.
My concern with the Munster U-20 final was the rugby tackle takedown on the Cork man bearing down on goals during the closing stages. Only a yellow card was given. Why was it not brought forward as a penalty?? Cork should be vexed.

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1706 - 26/05/2024 11:40:10    2547174

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Replying To MesAmis:  "A referee, linesman or umpire making a mistake is part and parcel of the game. It has happened in every game ever played and will happen in every game to be played. Some go for you and some go against you.

There is nothing that can be done to completely eradicate it.

You have to just take it on the chin and move on. Talking about appeals is childish imo. Next people be suggesting not keeping score in case someone feels bad for losing."
Teams shouldn't have to take it on the chin either, nothing will ever change if we keep adapting that attitude, it's time for the GAA to grow some balls and start adressing these issues once and for all.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2037 - 26/05/2024 11:56:00    2547178

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Replying To Bon:  "Teams shouldn't have to take it on the chin either, nothing will ever change if we keep adapting that attitude, it's time for the GAA to grow some balls and start adressing these issues once and for all."
That is the issue. I wasn't advocating an appeal but making that point; that such a grievous error ought to be able to be dealt with at the time.

Not plausible in the junior game down the park but like Hawkeye there ought to be a facility for an off field official to be able to bring something like that to ref's attention. There is also of course the fact that there were no supporters behind the goal. Had that happened in front of a packed terrace then it would surely have been greeted with uproar and in that way forced ref to intervene.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2952 - 26/05/2024 12:10:08    2547180

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Replying To Bon:  "Teams shouldn't have to take it on the chin either, nothing will ever change if we keep adapting that attitude, it's time for the GAA to grow some balls and start adressing these issues once and for all."
How?

You'll never eradicate match officials making errors.

It's impossible.

Decisions go for you and they go against you. It's part of the game. Always has been, always will be.

It's tough on the young Cork lads, but that's sport.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13775 - 26/05/2024 12:25:46    2547182

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Replying To suckvalleypaddy:  "I remember the 1985 goal not given in the final, glad it was Offaly that benefitted from it at least, fair play to them.
My concern with the Munster U-20 final was the rugby tackle takedown on the Cork man bearing down on goals during the closing stages. Only a yellow card was given. Why was it not brought forward as a penalty?? Cork should be vexed."
Cummins was 'vexsshhtt' anyway, when the TG4 man showed him 'the goal' afterwards, and asked him for a comment on it.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3820 - 26/05/2024 12:41:39    2547183

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Replying To Bon:  "Teams shouldn't have to take it on the chin either, nothing will ever change if we keep adapting that attitude, it's time for the GAA to grow some balls and start adressing these issues once and for all."
Address them how exactly.
As officials just like players coaches and anyone involved in every game in wvery sport anywhere will make mistakes

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3624 - 26/05/2024 12:53:40    2547186

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Address them how exactly.
As officials just like players coaches and anyone involved in every game in wvery sport anywhere will make mistakes"
You might make a mistake in the amount of money you take from your bank account. The banks job is not to make such mistakes, and if they do they rectify them.

Players job is to put ball in net. Umpire's job is not notice when this event takes place.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2952 - 26/05/2024 13:34:07    2547193

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Replying To Bon:  "While I see what people are saying that cork had enough chances to win the game with all their wides, however I think the amount of wides they had is irrelevant when it comes to the goal. This was a perfectly good goal that wasn't given, a team has a right to be given scores that were indeed scores. Then to lose a game by such fine a fine margin I think they have every right to feel aggrieved.
But once again in true GAA fashion this will be pushed under the carpet and nothing will change and this will continue to happen. No learning curve whatsoever.
On a side note as much as I love TG4 I don't think it was the right time after the game to bring up the goal with Brendan Cummins, it wasn't his problem, it's not up to him to worry about scores not given to opposition."
Bon (Kildare) is right. A game can be lost cos you hit 100 wides, fair enough. But a game shouldn't be lost cos when the ball actually crossed the line it wasn't seen by the officials. Loads of wides don't cancel that out.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1099 - 26/05/2024 13:34:48    2547194

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Address them how exactly.
As officials just like players coaches and anyone involved in every game in wvery sport anywhere will make mistakes"
So does that make it alright? Umpires have one job to do, I can understand if a shot is 50 yards in the air above the posts that you could well be guessing. But a goal chance like that under your nose is a joke. It can't be rocket science in this day and age to set up some form of system to detect this, or somebody up at the camera to alert officials. Or then again we could do nothing and just accept mediocrity and still be having similar conversations in 10 years time.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2037 - 26/05/2024 13:45:02    2547200

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "You might make a mistake in the amount of money you take from your bank account. The banks job is not to make such mistakes, and if they do they rectify them.

Players job is to put ball in net. Umpire's job is not notice when this event takes place."
What? The umpire's job is exactly that!

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1099 - 26/05/2024 15:34:10    2547218

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I'm wondering for last two days,how is it that no cork player on the night made any complaint when it wasn't given??if they had seen it surely they would have brought it to attention of ref or the umpires..it's a terrible mistake,it's as bad as mistake in club final..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2329 - 26/05/2024 15:48:06    2547225

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To those saying "It's not an error or injustice, because Cork had plenty of chances" what's the real rule then?

That the referee may disregard any rule in the course of the game, to the advantage of one team, if they feel that the opposing team is failing to produce enough scores and as a result doesn't deserve to win?

Not that I support the idea of an appeal either, as it'd create far more problems.

Cork don't even have a grounds for appeal- the GAA Official Guide , section 7.4 (n) states: no Objection or Counter-Objection may be submitted on grounds that a referee had incorrectly allowed or failed to allow a score.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1657 - 26/05/2024 16:16:03    2547244

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Bob from Kildare has all the answers to everything. Not a fear he's ever umpired or refereed.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1789 - 26/05/2024 17:12:27    2547279

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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma:  "What? The umpire's job is exactly that!"
You might have worked out that was typo!

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2952 - 26/05/2024 17:48:03    2547295

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