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The Limerick 5 In A Row, Will They Do It?

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Replying To thelongridge:  "Saturday's game gave a little hope to the chasing pack, that the 5 in a row may be beyond Limerick's reach. The championship will tell all."
It may give KK some encouragement but I don't that game will have any bearing on the championship.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 26/03/2024 17:47:26    2533952

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "I was replying to post. That wex beat KK in 4 of last 5 championship games. Did you win all Ireland in any of last 4 wins"
4 or 5 of the last 7. No we didn't . But neither did ye any of those years. That wasn't the context of my original post anyway.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12334 - 26/03/2024 17:58:23    2533956

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Replying To baire:  "Facts and figures can be presented and interpreted in many ways. Here is one: Limerick won one All Ireland in 78 years, (1940-2018) Kiely's team has won 5 of the last 6. You can deconstruct that anyway you like, but I guarantee you, any objective observer's interpretation of it would be quite different to yours. I'll say no more."
Yes but in those 78 years they reached 23 Munster finals, winning 8. Its not as if they had no success in that time. To put that into context Waterford have only reached 21 Munster finals in 140 odd years, winning 9, and Clare have only reached 24, winning 6.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12334 - 26/03/2024 19:16:10    2533973

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Nothing tedious about deconstructing a statement with the facts."
When you've to go back over a 100 years to find those facts it is.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1400 - 26/03/2024 19:34:12    2533979

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Replying To Viking66:  "Yes but in those 78 years they reached 23 Munster finals, winning 8. Its not as if they had no success in that time. To put that into context Waterford have only reached 21 Munster finals in 140 odd years, winning 9, and Clare have only reached 24, winning 6."
Why don't you re-read the title of the thread and stop deflecting.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 26/03/2024 19:59:47    2533986

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Replying To Viking66:  "Yes they will."
5th post on the thread Baire. No waffle or deflection.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12334 - 26/03/2024 20:52:37    2534000

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Replying To Viking66:  "Yes but in those 78 years they reached 23 Munster finals, winning 8. Its not as if they had no success in that time. To put that into context Waterford have only reached 21 Munster finals in 140 odd years, winning 9, and Clare have only reached 24, winning 6."
It's hard to believe Clare have such a brutal record in winning Munsters. I certainly wouldn't begrudge them or Waterford being successful. Given some of the talent coming through in Clare they'll be there or thereabouts in the next 5 to 6 years.
On a bit of a side note, although I was a bit peed off that we lost last year's round robin match to Clare, it was actually great to see the genuine delight displayed by their supporters straight after the match. I guess winning when it's not entirely expected is what it's all about

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 372 - 26/03/2024 21:32:42    2534007

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Replying To Viking66:  "Yes but in those 78 years they reached 23 Munster finals, winning 8. Its not as if they had no success in that time. To put that into context Waterford have only reached 21 Munster finals in 140 odd years, winning 9, and Clare have only reached 24, winning 6."
So now you're basing success on making Munster finals?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1400 - 26/03/2024 21:45:51    2534010

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I saw this post and held on to it till Saturday night for discussion point in the local. I was interested as to whether the locals would swap 96 for Limerick's current success.
Some would, but most wouldn't. Most thought 96 was such an unforgettable summer and if you offered them 10 in a row they wouldn't take it. What's rare is wonderful they said.
As they said, anybody who was anybody back then won an All-Ireland in the 90's and they would have hated George and John O'Connor, Storey, Liam Dunne, Tom Dempsey, Billy Byrne, etc - great Wexford men - not to get an All-Ireland medal.
I'd gladly swap Dublin football success for even one hurling."
To be fair those lads were legends, and Damien Fitzhenry not even mentioned in this.

It was an unforgettable summer, but if somebody offered me four all Irelands now it would be near impossible to pass up.

Lee Chin will unfortunately join that club nobody wants to be in. Legends of men who never hold Liam McCarthy.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2775 - 26/03/2024 22:30:02    2534014

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Replying To oneoff:  "When you've to go back over a 100 years to find those facts it is."
Why not, I never saw any Cork, Kilkenny, or Tipp PERSON that did not boast of ALL IRELANDS EVEN THOSE WON OVER A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4353 - 26/03/2024 23:03:36    2534018

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Replying To baire:  "Facts and figures can be presented and interpreted in many ways. Here is one: Limerick won one All Ireland in 78 years, (1940-2018) Kiely's team has won 5 of the last 6. You can deconstruct that anyway you like, but I guarantee you, any objective observer's interpretation of it would be quite different to yours. I'll say no more."
But that meeting in Hayese Hotel did not place in 1939 or 1940-it took place in 1884 and the GAA started then. Anyway every county has had had long periods without success. Galway won no Ireland until 1923 and none again and Galway claim they are the Home of Hurling and Cork and Tipp, two huge Hurling Counties had gaps of close on 20 years when they won no Ireland. Look at all the counties that were once huge in Football and have been down with years.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4353 - 26/03/2024 23:10:24    2534021

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Replying To oneoff:  "So now you're basing success on making Munster finals?"
No but the post I was answering implied that Limerick were nowhere. For 78 years. They did win one AI in that time, and nearly won a few more. Not exactly nowhere. Ironically Galway beat Limerick in both their 1st and 2nd AI wins.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12334 - 27/03/2024 03:31:09    2534035

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Why not, I never saw any Cork, Kilkenny, or Tipp PERSON that did not boast of ALL IRELANDS EVEN THOSE WON OVER A HUNDRED YEARS AGO."
When did either of these go 70 odds years without one?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1400 - 27/03/2024 09:43:15    2534056

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Replying To Shocs07:  "It's hard to believe Clare have such a brutal record in winning Munsters. I certainly wouldn't begrudge them or Waterford being successful. Given some of the talent coming through in Clare they'll be there or thereabouts in the next 5 to 6 years.
On a bit of a side note, although I was a bit peed off that we lost last year's round robin match to Clare, it was actually great to see the genuine delight displayed by their supporters straight after the match. I guess winning when it's not entirely expected is what it's all about"
Our record in Munster is indeed awful something like 25% success rate you could try to excuse it by saying that we met great teams like Cork 3 in a Row in the later 70's when we had a fine team win two League's when they were worth winning even when we won in 2013 we dident make a Munster final and now in the last two Munster Finals we met an exceptional Limerick team near but still no silverware.

Munster is a minefield again this year all 5 teams looking for a top 3 spot its impossible to call you nearly have to win your home games. Our opening game V Limerick will be colossal especially for us if we lose we head to Cork seeking a win wouldn't fancy that.

Its hard to judge Waterford at moment have some great hurlers and you can ignore Tipps form last Sunday i truly think that neither themselves of Limerick were too worried about league.

Roll on the Ennis game where both teams have produced games of the ages in there meetings in 2022/2023

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 900 - 27/03/2024 10:08:04    2534059

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Replying To baire:  "It's tedious all this obsession with past wins, dates and figures, the bragging and the smugness. I'm not referring to Limerick alone here, the same happens to every county that wins a load of AIs. Don't take it personally. I'm not begrudging any team their win. I have always gone for the underdog. Leaving aside my own county I'd love to see Waterford win an All Ireland, or any of these counties: Clare, Wexford, Antrim, Offaly, Laois or Westmeath. It's unlikely any of them, apart from Clare, will win an AI in the near future but we live in hope. I used to support Dublin hurling but it annoys me to see some of their best hurlers going for football glory instead.
Sin sin anois. An Phalaistín Abú!"
Agree, its pointless, going back to the 1800's to get one up on another hurling county. Who cares? The title of this thread is about this years championship.

As posted previously if i was from Limerick i would be slightly worried. They are clearly one of the finest teams ever but they have struggled slightly in Munster last year and it takes f all of a performance dip for those one point wins and draws to become one point losses.
Saying that I'm not confident there is any one team better than them.
Clare are the obvious choice but get in their own way outside of playing Limerick.
Kilkenny are Kilkenny but im doubtful of the overall quality.
All of the other teams, Wexford included, possess the players to produce a one off shock but i wouldn't be sure about a sustained run. Maybe one of them will spring from the pack come summer. Cant wait for it.

LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 27/03/2024 10:13:02    2534060

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Replying To oneoff:  "When did either of these go 70 odds years without one?"
Limerick never went 70 years without winning one either.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12334 - 27/03/2024 11:47:15    2534068

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "To be fair those lads were legends, and Damien Fitzhenry not even mentioned in this.

It was an unforgettable summer, but if somebody offered me four all Irelands now it would be near impossible to pass up.

Lee Chin will unfortunately join that club nobody wants to be in. Legends of men who never hold Liam McCarthy."
To be fair they were a team of legends. As I said to them, they are learning what is rare is wonderful alright. But as they said back to me, it is better to have loved and lost than never loved at all. Put me right back in my box.

It is looking that way for Chin, but who knows what the future can bring. The key is who can pounce once Limericks success comes to an end. I think it is likely to be Cork though because I think they are coming like a steam train.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1156 - 27/03/2024 11:47:51    2534069

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "Agree, its pointless, going back to the 1800's to get one up on another hurling county. Who cares? The title of this thread is about this years championship.

As posted previously if i was from Limerick i would be slightly worried. They are clearly one of the finest teams ever but they have struggled slightly in Munster last year and it takes f all of a performance dip for those one point wins and draws to become one point losses.
Saying that I'm not confident there is any one team better than them.
Clare are the obvious choice but get in their own way outside of playing Limerick.
Kilkenny are Kilkenny but im doubtful of the overall quality.
All of the other teams, Wexford included, possess the players to produce a one off shock but i wouldn't be sure about a sustained run. Maybe one of them will spring from the pack come summer. Cant wait for it."
We need to get our injured lads back. But if we do we could surprise a few lads around the country.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12334 - 27/03/2024 11:48:34    2534070

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Replying To oneoff:  "When did either of these go 70 odds years without one?"
We did not go seventy years without one. Your own county has gone 84 years without one and you have won one Leinster Championship in over sixty years. and huge money has been poured into the game.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4353 - 27/03/2024 13:00:19    2534083

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "Agree, its pointless, going back to the 1800's to get one up on another hurling county. Who cares? The title of this thread is about this years championship.

As posted previously if i was from Limerick i would be slightly worried. They are clearly one of the finest teams ever but they have struggled slightly in Munster last year and it takes f all of a performance dip for those one point wins and draws to become one point losses.
Saying that I'm not confident there is any one team better than them.
Clare are the obvious choice but get in their own way outside of playing Limerick.
Kilkenny are Kilkenny but im doubtful of the overall quality.
All of the other teams, Wexford included, possess the players to produce a one off shock but i wouldn't be sure about a sustained run. Maybe one of them will spring from the pack come summer. Cant wait for it."
Remembar Larry, we went through Munster without Lynch, and Finn for three and a half games. Look at the difference a fully Fit Lynch made against Galway and Kilkenny. It was only when Hannon went off and DM went out of the Full Position that Cork came back into it. They were struggling big time before Hannon's injury and though Limerick scored three goals it could easily have been six. I have yet to be convinced about Cork, Clare are the real deal.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4353 - 27/03/2024 13:05:46    2534084

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