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JP McManus Donates €1M To Each County Board

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I still can't believe this conversation is still going on.from what I understand he does pay tax and Switzerland is his main residence,where he pays tax to..anybody not happy about getting the money for their club,go to them and tell them you want it handed back..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2380 - 28/12/2023 18:09:59    2517781

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Replying To supersub15:  "I read your post that's the bone of contention."
And what exactly is your bone of contention?
Everything I said was correct, some people are bitching that McManus isn't giving/paying enough, be it in donations or taxes. Most people on this thread seem happy with what JP has done but there's a few that aren't happy.

cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 471 - 28/12/2023 18:18:51    2517782

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Replying To Viking66:  "Isn't that the usual posters answer when they are caught out talking unsubstantiated nonsense Barney? I looked for myself but couldn't find anything from Sinn Fein about Mcmanus ' generous donation. You never answered my post on the other thread either btw."
Very difficult to respond when my responses are not posted!

Pointless really.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3136 - 29/12/2023 15:12:10    2517826

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Very difficult to respond when my responses are not posted!

Pointless really."
I had one that didn't get put up also Barney! Happy New Year to you all the same!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13886 - 29/12/2023 18:37:20    2517834

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "I still can't believe this conversation is still going on.from what I understand he does pay tax and Switzerland is his main residence,where he pays tax to..anybody not happy about getting the money for their club,go to them and tell them you want it handed back.."
Tis all a load of nonsense really at this stage. Bigger question is who's in and who's not in the mix for the '24 hurling All Ireland

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 29/12/2023 19:21:19    2517835

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Replying To yew_tree:  "I wonder how it works where you have a men's and ladies club with different names and are in effect different clubs and may have a different name but share the same playing pitches?"
I would imagine the task of dividing this out is going to be some fun. We have single code/single gender clubs, clubs with all four codes and many a combo in between. In Dublin most clubs are mixed gender and mixed codes all members of the same club. There are exceptions but it seems to be more common in rural clubs. I am sure the respective county boards will try to be as fair as possible. But surely this arrangement with separate associations have had their day?

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4942 - 29/12/2023 19:48:14    2517838

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Replying To Viking66:  "I had one that didn't get put up also Barney! Happy New Year to you all the same!"
Dublin/Wexford All Ireland final :-)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3136 - 29/12/2023 21:28:53    2517843

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Dublin/Wexford All Ireland final :-)"
Would be a great occasion Barney:-)

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13886 - 30/12/2023 01:37:12    2517851

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Replying To Viking66:  "Would be a great occasion Barney:-)"
About as likely as a visit from the people's of the Orion Constellation (although at least they be assured a house :-) )

I did see two of our lads presumably heading for training, or maybe returning from training yesterday morning, so they must be planning an epic assault on the Walsh Cup. Be afraid ....

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3136 - 30/12/2023 12:14:06    2517862

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "About as likely as a visit from the people's of the Orion Constellation (although at least they be assured a house :-) )

I did see two of our lads presumably heading for training, or maybe returning from training yesterday morning, so they must be planning an epic assault on the Walsh Cup. Be afraid ...."
Agreed its very unlikely we will be meeting in Croke Park in July except as interested neutrals. At the same time I wouldn't be falling over in shock if either or both of us made the Leinster final, unlikely though that seems after last year.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13886 - 30/12/2023 14:00:36    2517874

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Does anybody know of any 'Amalgamated Adult GAA Clubs' in their county or others who have received their own individual share of their counties allocated pot?

E.g an amalgamated hurling club made up of football clubs in their area, who received their own share separate to the football clubs.

TheChampion (Wicklow) - Posts: 11 - 15/01/2024 00:05:43    2520198

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Replying To TheChampion:  "Does anybody know of any 'Amalgamated Adult GAA Clubs' in their county or others who have received their own individual share of their counties allocated pot?

E.g an amalgamated hurling club made up of football clubs in their area, who received their own share separate to the football clubs."
I BELIEVE, in such an instance, that the hurling team would be registered with their CB as a team representative of 2 (or more) full time clubs, and thus would not receive any money. The individual clubs would get it.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5195 - 15/01/2024 08:54:17    2520219

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Replying To cavanman47:  "I BELIEVE, in such an instance, that the hurling team would be registered with their CB as a team representative of 2 (or more) full time clubs, and thus would not receive any money. The individual clubs would get it."
Yes, my strong belief too that in such circumstances, the amalgamated hurling "club" is not actually a club at all, and is instead an amalgamated team made up of players from whatever number of distinct clubs.

A true amalgamated club only occurs where two or more individual clubs are completely wound up in order to join all of their parts together as a new entity. So as long as the clubs in question are still playing football under their own banner, the hurling team they make up between them is just a team, but not a separate club.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2622 - 15/01/2024 09:09:06    2520224

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Yes, my strong belief too that in such circumstances, the amalgamated hurling "club" is not actually a club at all, and is instead an amalgamated team made up of players from whatever number of distinct clubs.

A true amalgamated club only occurs where two or more individual clubs are completely wound up in order to join all of their parts together as a new entity. So as long as the clubs in question are still playing football under their own banner, the hurling team they make up between them is just a team, but not a separate club."
As far as I am aware, all amalgamated hurling clubs in one county for example have recieved their equal share of their county boards donation. These clubs have football teams under their individual club names but unite to form hurling teams at various levels.

There is another county board in Ireland, which has refused to give it's amalgamated hurling "club/team" any money as requested by same. This hurling "club/team" requested their own individual share from the county board, as they are a separate entity to the football clubs and don't rely on their finances as they fundraise themselves to keep "club"teams" going. There are over 200 adults and children playing hurling in this region.

Does it seem fair that a hurling "club/amalgamated team" should have to approach football clubs (with whom it has no financial support from) and request money which was donated by a passionate hurling man? Baring in mind this is area of the country is a football stronghold with limited hurling being played throughout the region.

How come one county board distributes a share of the funds to it's amalgamated clubs and another point blank refuses?

TheChampion (Wicklow) - Posts: 11 - 16/01/2024 00:41:13    2520378

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McManus clearly meant the money to be given to individual clubs, not amalgamated teams in hurling, women's or underage. Those county boards who have done so are clearly in breach.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3136 - 16/01/2024 08:52:06    2520389

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Replying To TheChampion:  "As far as I am aware, all amalgamated hurling clubs in one county for example have recieved their equal share of their county boards donation. These clubs have football teams under their individual club names but unite to form hurling teams at various levels.

There is another county board in Ireland, which has refused to give it's amalgamated hurling "club/team" any money as requested by same. This hurling "club/team" requested their own individual share from the county board, as they are a separate entity to the football clubs and don't rely on their finances as they fundraise themselves to keep "club"teams" going. There are over 200 adults and children playing hurling in this region.

Does it seem fair that a hurling "club/amalgamated team" should have to approach football clubs (with whom it has no financial support from) and request money which was donated by a passionate hurling man? Baring in mind this is area of the country is a football stronghold with limited hurling being played throughout the region.

How come one county board distributes a share of the funds to it's amalgamated clubs and another point blank refuses?"
If you're looking for an argument, you won't get it from me.

I'm just explaining there's a difference in the Rule Book between amalgamated clubs and independent teams.

There's a strong chance too that the county in question has its own bye-laws on such things, which would come into play here as well.

I'll just suggest that the first port of call for the hurling outfit that you speak of would be to investigate how exactly it's officially constituted. That would probably be key to the whole thing.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2622 - 16/01/2024 09:54:24    2520403

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "If you're looking for an argument, you won't get it from me.

I'm just explaining there's a difference in the Rule Book between amalgamated clubs and independent teams.

There's a strong chance too that the county in question has its own bye-laws on such things, which would come into play here as well.

I'll just suggest that the first port of call for the hurling outfit that you speak of would be to investigate how exactly it's officially constituted. That would probably be key to the whole thing."
Like you, I would imagine that county boards would have all these angles covered. My understanding is that all clubs have to be registered as such with their county boards and consequently , Croke Park. With insurances etc this is the only way it would work. I will admit I have no idea how a mixture of football clubs would come together and be constituted as a separate hurling entity - again for insurance purposes, entry to championships etc or how that would stand with the relevant county board.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1274 - 16/01/2024 10:32:11    2520411

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The problem with amalgamated clubs/teams is that they come in lost of shapes and sizes. I have an idea of the clubs you are referring to in Wicklow. But some are just juvenile and then only specific age groups. Like where do you draw the line?

liam500 (Wicklow) - Posts: 188 - 16/01/2024 11:11:58    2520421

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Simple test for the hurling outfit in question -

Does it have its own Executive Committee, with Chairman, Secretary, Treasurer, Children's Officer, and all the other officers that a club must have? Does it keep its own accounts, and lodge these accounts each year with the County Board?

If yes, then unless it's a highly unusual local arrangement, it's a club all right. It would be entitled to a seat at County Board and would have means there to raise the issue of not getting its share of the JP money.

If no, then either it's a club who's not abiding by the rules, or else it isn't a club (as officially defined) at all, and is instead "just" an independent team.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2622 - 16/01/2024 11:16:20    2520422

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Setanta and Marciewicz in Donegal are single-code, single-gender clubs and are the only two such clubs in the county. They are the respective senior hurling and camogie champions of Donegal. Both clubs have received their full €24k funding from the grant, confirmed by the county chair in the last week. On top of this, the two clubs are based in the same parishes and share a pitch and facilities! Make it make sense.

SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 437 - 02/02/2024 12:53:04    2523845

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