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Replying To ahsure.:  "When the dust settles lads, ye only bet ourselves, Laois and Carlow in this years championships. Not good enough unfortunately. No more than ourselves."
I don't know what standard you're holding us to there. We're told repeatedly that there are only two counties in Leinster and we'd be better off eating the hurleys. This season we were seconds away from the Leinster final on two occasions (Dublin and Kilkenny).

NR55 (Wexford) - Posts: 3 - 23/06/2024 12:44:28    2554000

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Replying To Viking66:  "Agree. It will have been a learning experience for all 5 younger starters. Richie didn't have his best game. He looked flat and was caught out of position numerous times. Foley did very well on Duggan. Eoin Ryan played well too. Cian Byrne looked OK too it has to be said, I think he's a great prospect. Hard to know what to make of Charlie, hes still not getting the head up."
Thought Lawlor was a bit out of his depth really. Some good performances this year, Clare in league for one, but a lot to do to hold his own at that level. Stick work needs a lot of improvement. McGuckian the same really, has been given multiple chances now by different managers but no impact at all yesterday. Fine club player but can't make step up it seems. Foley and Byrne were very good this year, Byrne struggles in physical contests but a winter of S&C will bring him on. Super touch and movement. Foley improved a lot in last 12 months. Ryan is quick and sticky but delivery of ball into forwards needs work. Couldn't cope with Ian Galvin at all but did well before then alright. Corey looked as if he has filled out a bit over the year, looking forward to seeing more of him next year.

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 372 - 23/06/2024 12:59:47    2554003

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Replying To tearintom:  "And ye know what that is rhe harsh reality of it.

We are a good bit off in truth. And until we inject a bit of physicality and size into the team we will remain that way.

There's no point in trying to sugar coat it like a few are trying here, it's serves no one any good. One thing for example is Casey and Mc Cukin are t real,y at this level at County, Charlie might get there yet. But they were still 2 of the best players in our club championships last year, that's a fact. And that's an issue.

We now face into a club hurling championship that's going to have more games of even less importance, what's the point of that? We have an entire set of group games with zero jeopardy.

There's no point in saying we could have beaten Dublin and Antrim and played well against Kilkenny, we didn't win any of them and as for this assertion a few pages back that we are better than we were in 2019, seriously like!

Rossi has steadied the ship after what's happened last year but even he won't be claiming this is some huge stride forward, last year was an anomaly in reality but we are way off unfortunately."
I can't believe I still have to explain this again but I will.

We are better than we were in 19. Our panel is better, albeit our consistency of effort is not at the same level.

More importantly, other teams have improved at a faster rate than we have, and introduced more players at a better rate than we have.

It's done now for another 6 months anyway.

I'm hopeful we can develop our game plan a little more. A second year with a psychologist should help. I think the players will have bought into what Rossi is doing. The younger lads have gained some top level experience and will be willing to put in a tough winter of s and c. Hopefully some more can be persuaded to get involved again.

We will lose mogie, Matt and probably Dee. That's it as far as I know.

I hope the older hands are given the winter off again. It did wonders for them this year.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3465 - 23/06/2024 13:33:50    2554010

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Funny you're very active again once we're out. Are you a supporter?

I can interpret what I see just fine.

I've not missed a championship match since 95 bar COVID and have attended 90% of games in all competitions.

I've played county.

I know where we are more than most and I've seen more than enough this year to be optimistic."
Sorry doyler if my opinion upsets you but if you read my past posts im always positive when needed and by the way im much more involved than you think.Just so disapointed at the standard we are at and lads trying to gloss over it.

Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 315 - 23/06/2024 15:38:58    2554030

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Replying To Timbertony:  "Thought Lawlor was a bit out of his depth really. Some good performances this year, Clare in league for one, but a lot to do to hold his own at that level. Stick work needs a lot of improvement. McGuckian the same really, has been given multiple chances now by different managers but no impact at all yesterday. Fine club player but can't make step up it seems. Foley and Byrne were very good this year, Byrne struggles in physical contests but a winter of S&C will bring him on. Super touch and movement. Foley improved a lot in last 12 months. Ryan is quick and sticky but delivery of ball into forwards needs work. Couldn't cope with Ian Galvin at all but did well before then alright. Corey looked as if he has filled out a bit over the year, looking forward to seeing more of him next year."
You must be joking about Ryan not been able to cope with Ian Galvin?

The Clare half back line were able to take their time and hit the perfect ball in front of an acre in space in front of Galvin when Wexford down to 14 men.

Usain Bolt wouldn't get out in front of that.

Anyone with half a hurling brain would of seen that.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 885 - 23/06/2024 16:10:36    2554042

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Not trying to sugarcoat things but Clare are a Top 3/4 side in the country along with Limerick and Kilkenny (And maybe Cork although not on yesterday's evidence) and we're the next tier down alongside Dublin, Galway, Waterford, and Tipperary. We can beat the top tier teams on our day but we would need everything to go right whereas they would need a few things to go wrong; the flip side of that is that we can lose to Westmeath and Antrim at our worst whereas the floor of the top teams involves losing to the likes of us (Although KK did draw against Carlow)

We don't have a golden generation coming through like Offaly do now (Although we're starting from a higher base than them and our subsequent Minor teams have been a lot better than theirs) or like Limerick had with their 2015 and 2017 U21 teams but we were narrowly beaten in two consecutive Leinster U20 Finals so we do have some decent enough talent coming through (Cian Molloy, Eoin Ryan, Richie Lawlor, Tucker Kinsella, Conor Foley, Cian Byrne, Darragh Carley, Corey Byrne-Dunbar, Eoin Whelan, Simon Roche, Seán Rowley, Cillian Byrne). Not all of those players will make it but they should boost our squad, although the talent coming through seems to be more balanced towards the backs and midfield rather than forwards. On the flip side, the likes of MOH, Liam Óg, and Dee could all be retiring so it may well be the case that we neither improve nor disimprove, with the players coming in cancelling out the players retiring

I don't actually think this team was much worse than the 2019 team, the main difference in the quality of the team was no Paudie Foley this year. The big difference that year was that everything fell in our favour whereas this year (And in 2021 where we had a similar level of talent), things didn't break our way. If we were ever to get a golden generation coming through, I think we would be well-placed to win an All-Ireland (Maybe multiple All-Irelands, who knows?) but otherwise, I feel like we are destined to remain where we are, relying on everything to break our way to go deep in the Championhip or otherwise exit at the QF stage

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 23/06/2024 16:19:00    2554043

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Replying To Past hurler:  "You must be joking about Ryan not been able to cope with Ian Galvin?

The Clare half back line were able to take their time and hit the perfect ball in front of an acre in space in front of Galvin when Wexford down to 14 men.

Usain Bolt wouldn't get out in front of that.

Anyone with half a hurling brain would of seen that."
100% agree with this. Would extend it further. Their half backs were also able to do that when 15 on 15. The space we have them.

Yellowhelmet (Australia) - Posts: 119 - 23/06/2024 16:34:49    2554044

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Replying To tearintom:  "And ye know what that is rhe harsh reality of it.

We are a good bit off in truth. And until we inject a bit of physicality and size into the team we will remain that way.

There's no point in trying to sugar coat it like a few are trying here, it's serves no one any good. One thing for example is Casey and Mc Cukin are t real,y at this level at County, Charlie might get there yet. But they were still 2 of the best players in our club championships last year, that's a fact. And that's an issue.

We now face into a club hurling championship that's going to have more games of even less importance, what's the point of that? We have an entire set of group games with zero jeopardy.

There's no point in saying we could have beaten Dublin and Antrim and played well against Kilkenny, we didn't win any of them and as for this assertion a few pages back that we are better than we were in 2019, seriously like!

Rossi has steadied the ship after what's happened last year but even he won't be claiming this is some huge stride forward, last year was an anomaly in reality but we are way off unfortunately."
We only won 2 champship games in 2019, against Carlow and Kilkenny, and made the final because Dublin beat Galway. We beat Carlow, Galway and Laois this year. Things fell right for us that didn't this year. We drew the Dublin and lost the Kilkenny games, suffering poor refereeing decisions that led to goals against us in both games. Antrim hurled the game of their careers so far in Corrigan too.
I don't think we made a huge stride forwards this year either. But it was important to make the top tier of the League in order for our younger players to develop better next year, which we achieved with a game to spare. It was important to get to the AI series, which we also did. We did take a step forwards from last year, when we would've ended up in 1b had the split happened then, and didn't make it out of Leinster.
I think everyone agreed at the start of the year we were off the top 7 counties. Now lads are saying being off the top 4 is a disaster. I don't get it. When did the goalposts shift? And why?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15267 - 23/06/2024 17:32:39    2554064

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Replying To WEXILE:  "Are they definitely opting in? Foley would have only for bad injury this year. I thought Carty was travelling.

Paudi Foley might or might not opt in. He'd be an addition but only if his heart was in it. Wexford hasn't been a priority to him and that's fait enough it's his life and he wants to do other things."
Ian told me before he left that he would be back for intercounty. Hope he hasn't changed his mind in the last 8 months!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15267 - 23/06/2024 17:34:09    2554065

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Replying To Viking66:  "We only won 2 champship games in 2019, against Carlow and Kilkenny, and made the final because Dublin beat Galway. We beat Carlow, Galway and Laois this year. Things fell right for us that didn't this year. We drew the Dublin and lost the Kilkenny games, suffering poor refereeing decisions that led to goals against us in both games. Antrim hurled the game of their careers so far in Corrigan too.
I don't think we made a huge stride forwards this year either. But it was important to make the top tier of the League in order for our younger players to develop better next year, which we achieved with a game to spare. It was important to get to the AI series, which we also did. We did take a step forwards from last year, when we would've ended up in 1b had the split happened then, and didn't make it out of Leinster.
I think everyone agreed at the start of the year we were off the top 7 counties. Now lads are saying being off the top 4 is a disaster. I don't get it. When did the goalposts shift? And why?"
Who said anything about the goal posts shifting?

We also happened to win a leinster title in 2019 and find ourselves a collective brain freezing situation away from being in an all ireland final.

I haven't see anyone say this year is a disaster, I certainly didn't, I referenced the fact that he has steadied the ship over the anomaly that was last season unless people see that as being the bench mark we should set ourselves again, I certainly didn't, and I'm pretty sure Rossi doesn't but it seems to some on here it's all positive once we aren't almost getting relegated.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1466 - 23/06/2024 17:47:33    2554070

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Replying To Tiger1:  "Sorry doyler if my opinion upsets you but if you read my past posts im always positive when needed and by the way im much more involved than you think.Just so disapointed at the standard we are at and lads trying to gloss over it."
I'm not sure anyone is trying to gloss over it. It's more a reaction to the over the top negativity, which admittedly I was guilty of myself after the Antrim game

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3465 - 23/06/2024 17:54:07    2554071

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Does anyone know if Oisin foley and Conall flood will be back for their respective clubs in the Co championship? They are 2 lads that Wexford could do with for next season. Both had serious injuries by the sounds of it…groin which is slow and Flood had a knee problem

Purpleandgold72 (Wexford) - Posts: 242 - 23/06/2024 18:00:38    2554074

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Replying To Viking66:  "We badly need to find a few forwards. Hopefully Cathal Doyle, Conor Mahoney, James Byrne, and Tucker have great club championships. With another year's S and C under their belts they will all be physically more able next year too. Richie, Cian and CBD also. Hopefully Jack Redmond goes well in the club championship also, and Dara Farrell."
And whoever we find please God let them be able to hurl but also be big strong men, we really struggled with the route 1 stuff

WEXILE (Wexford) - Posts: 323 - 23/06/2024 18:14:42    2554077

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Replying To Past hurler:  "You must be joking about Ryan not been able to cope with Ian Galvin?

The Clare half back line were able to take their time and hit the perfect ball in front of an acre in space in front of Galvin when Wexford down to 14 men.

Usain Bolt wouldn't get out in front of that.

Anyone with half a hurling brain would of seen that."
No, I'm not joking, they were right in front of me. No issue with Galvin getting to the ball first but being able to turn with the ball and shooting unopposed into the net I would have an issue with. Ryan wasn't letting Shanagher turn like that and did well on him. Galvin is hard to stop in fairness.

O'Donnell shaking off O'Hanlon and tapping in a goal with no covering defender to be seen, I'd have an issue with that too. I'd have sympathy for the full back line in that second half, Damien Reck AWOL at 6 as per usual.

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 372 - 23/06/2024 18:47:41    2554089

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Replying To Timbertony:  "No, I'm not joking, they were right in front of me. No issue with Galvin getting to the ball first but being able to turn with the ball and shooting unopposed into the net I would have an issue with. Ryan wasn't letting Shanagher turn like that and did well on him. Galvin is hard to stop in fairness.

O'Donnell shaking off O'Hanlon and tapping in a goal with no covering defender to be seen, I'd have an issue with that too. I'd have sympathy for the full back line in that second half, Damien Reck AWOL at 6 as per usual."
Even before the red card our half forward line weren't really in the game. The amount of space Clare had in that middle 3rd was off the charts. Fannings distribution into that area didn't help either.

And one other thing, I've seen a few comment on Mc Donald and Chin yesterday but the ball played into them was absolutely atrocious all game when they were in the full forward line, they really hadn't a hope with the type of ball going into them.

And lastly for me, double header games really don't add to the atmosphere at all, tye same yesterday, people coming and going all game, both matches, a stand alone fixture adds so much more atmosphere, and maybe ye know, try somewhere else other than a munster venue for a change! Heaven forbid.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1466 - 23/06/2024 19:07:15    2554100

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Replying To tearintom:  "Who said anything about the goal posts shifting?

We also happened to win a leinster title in 2019 and find ourselves a collective brain freezing situation away from being in an all ireland final.

I haven't see anyone say this year is a disaster, I certainly didn't, I referenced the fact that he has steadied the ship over the anomaly that was last season unless people see that as being the bench mark we should set ourselves again, I certainly didn't, and I'm pretty sure Rossi doesn't but it seems to some on here it's all positive once we aren't almost getting relegated."
Don't think anyone had a target this year of not getting relegated! Which posters are you referring to there?
This year was a step forward. If we can stay in League 1a, find another 1 or 2 championship starters, get to a Leinster final and win an AIQF next year would represent more progress. But that would be dependent on injuries and lads committing for another year.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15267 - 23/06/2024 19:29:32    2554112

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Replying To Purpleandgold72:  "Does anyone know if Oisin foley and Conall flood will be back for their respective clubs in the Co championship? They are 2 lads that Wexford could do with for next season. Both had serious injuries by the sounds of it…groin which is slow and Flood had a knee problem"
It would be great if Flood would commit properly. Very skilful lad, but very light. A Crossabeg lad wasn't too confident of Oisin playing. He said Paudie would.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15267 - 23/06/2024 19:57:47    2554124

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Replying To tearintom:  "Even before the red card our half forward line weren't really in the game. The amount of space Clare had in that middle 3rd was off the charts. Fannings distribution into that area didn't help either.

And one other thing, I've seen a few comment on Mc Donald and Chin yesterday but the ball played into them was absolutely atrocious all game when they were in the full forward line, they really hadn't a hope with the type of ball going into them.

And lastly for me, double header games really don't add to the atmosphere at all, tye same yesterday, people coming and going all game, both matches, a stand alone fixture adds so much more atmosphere, and maybe ye know, try somewhere else other than a munster venue for a change! Heaven forbid."
The ball was what people call a backs ball. High dropping slow ball. Only decent ball in that stuck in my head was Shane Reck played a beautiful low stick pass to Cian Byrne, but Lee and Mac weren't making enough of those kind of runs out.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15267 - 23/06/2024 20:00:24    2554127

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Replying To Purpleandgold72:  "Does anyone know if Oisin foley and Conall flood will be back for their respective clubs in the Co championship? They are 2 lads that Wexford could do with for next season. Both had serious injuries by the sounds of it…groin which is slow and Flood had a knee problem"
Flood was playing against us in a league game. Scored from all angles

Yellowhelmet (Australia) - Posts: 119 - 23/06/2024 20:19:07    2554137

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Replying To tearintom:  "Even before the red card our half forward line weren't really in the game. The amount of space Clare had in that middle 3rd was off the charts. Fannings distribution into that area didn't help either.

And one other thing, I've seen a few comment on Mc Donald and Chin yesterday but the ball played into them was absolutely atrocious all game when they were in the full forward line, they really hadn't a hope with the type of ball going into them.

And lastly for me, double header games really don't add to the atmosphere at all, tye same yesterday, people coming and going all game, both matches, a stand alone fixture adds so much more atmosphere, and maybe ye know, try somewhere else other than a munster venue for a change! Heaven forbid."
It was clear our tactic was to lump a handful of long balls in early with both Chin and Mac nearly in the square. Worked against Clare a couple of years ago and even in KK with Mac's goal but it didn't work at all yesterday. Both Chin and McDonald were atrocious yesterday, beaten nearly in every duel the pair of them and letting their markers catch the ball clearly over them regularly.

In the league when it was the likes of Casey and Byrne in there, we had to be more precise with the delivery and I thought we were the better for it. I do think delivery from the half back line is something we need to work on. McInerney is very measured on the ball and I don't think we have someone with that quality yet.

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 372 - 23/06/2024 21:56:10    2554174

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