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2023 WEXFORD FOOTBALL C SHIP

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Team of the senior championship from what I seen.

Darragh Brooks
Graham Staples
Danny Gardiner
Ross Banville
Simon Donohoe
Gavin Sheehan
Conor Carty
Niall Hughes
Sean Keane Carroll
Jack Higgins
Graham Cullen
Eoghan Nolan
Cian Hughes
Ben Brosnan
Conor Kinsella"
Goalkeeper - hard to say that Brooks was the better keeper based on yesterdays game. I know some of that was down to his players not making the runs but he went long when he should have being going short and when 14 v 14 they didn't win their own kickout. Mc Cabe wouldn't be a known shot stopper but the most important issue now is kickouts. I would also have Glen Malone than Conor Carty.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1717 - 16/10/2023 14:30:54    2508660

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Replying To zinny:  "Goalkeeper - hard to say that Brooks was the better keeper based on yesterdays game. I know some of that was down to his players not making the runs but he went long when he should have being going short and when 14 v 14 they didn't win their own kickout. Mc Cabe wouldn't be a known shot stopper but the most important issue now is kickouts. I would also have Glen Malone than Conor Carty."
I taught Malone was poor yesterday, agree goalie is a tight call but Brooks only conceded 2 goals in 8 games compared to 6 out of 8 for McCabe.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1287 - 16/10/2023 15:24:03    2508676

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Replying To zinny:  "Goalkeeper - hard to say that Brooks was the better keeper based on yesterdays game. I know some of that was down to his players not making the runs but he went long when he should have being going short and when 14 v 14 they didn't win their own kickout. Mc Cabe wouldn't be a known shot stopper but the most important issue now is kickouts. I would also have Glen Malone than Conor Carty."
id also have malone over carty, sean keane carroll im not sure how many games he played this year, thought was injured for most of group, roche from guss had an excellent semi final on colemen and also darragh lyons was super for st james between 6 and 8

lefty (Wexford) - Posts: 176 - 16/10/2023 15:41:15    2508679

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Replying To lefty:  "id also have malone over carty, sean keane carroll im not sure how many games he played this year, thought was injured for most of group, roche from guss had an excellent semi final on colemen and also darragh lyons was super for st james between 6 and 8"
Fair points on Lyons and Roche, semi final was probably the main reason I picked Keane Carroll, taught, him, Donohoe & O'Gara were the 3 most influential players in that comeback.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1287 - 16/10/2023 16:19:04    2508686

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I think Pauric Hughes and Mark Rossiter have to make any team of the year. John Roche was also very good.

SunnySouthEast (Wexford) - Posts: 11 - 16/10/2023 17:05:44    2508702

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Replying To SunnySouthEast:  "I think Pauric Hughes and Mark Rossiter have to make any team of the year. John Roche was also very good."
Fair point on Hughes oversight on my part, in hindsight I'd have him in ahead of Carty, Rossiter is unlucky but Cian Hughes and Scholesy were outstanding for Kilanerin and I think Brosnan had a slighly club better year than him.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1287 - 16/10/2023 17:19:29    2508706

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Replying To zinny:  "Seems as if the mods didn't like my first reply as I referenced an approach to the referee after the game. No team is innocent when it comes to having to win and losing teams and supporters will always see the game through very different lenses."
I was under pressure for time so i was at the exit ready to leave just at the final whistle.
What did I miss ??

Yellaman (Wexford) - Posts: 70 - 16/10/2023 18:35:27    2508720

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As a neutral . The game was entertaining and one of the better finals apart from the usual antics from both sides.
Thought the turning point was the black card as referee was brave enough to give it gir the cynical foul . Made them reconsider the tactical fouling. Coupled with full backs yellow card they were less cynical as I would imagine the fear of ref balancing up the numbers gave shels little more scope to push on without being hauled back or pulled down as frequently as they normally do .
Shels prob got benefit of doubt as down to 14 as several incidents that warranted cards were overlooked. .
The play acting is a worry though .
Would have been great to see the 2 teams just go at it full belt . Tough ,hard and act like real men . See who would come out on top.
Shels the slightly better players Castletown more workmanlike and effective than spectacular age profile coukx be concerned over heat few years .
Kilanerin will be the best of the rest over next couple years snd if Naomh Eanna want it will be at top table for long time too . Glynn have the numbers and lot decent players but can't seem to get it right fir some reason .rest not much between them at all

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 130 - 16/10/2023 20:11:41    2508740

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Replying To Yellaman:  "Oh, so it was all Shels fault ??
After giving Castletown a 5 point start, AND playing with numerical disadvantage, they did what was required to win."
Hold on now buddy. Do you want me to send you on footage of a particular Shels player, who has received fierce criticism on here for his theatrics many a day, somehow escaping getting sent off? Its floating around twitter. Or the numerous errors the ref made besides that?

I acknowledged that Shels were the better team on the day, but there was no class to them at all.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1390 - 16/10/2023 22:24:37    2508749

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Replying To zinny:  "Seems as if the mods didn't like my first reply as I referenced an approach to the referee after the game. No team is innocent when it comes to having to win and losing teams and supporters will always see the game through very different lenses."
Had a previous reply not posted by mods too. Didnt make the game myself. been speaking to a fair few were at it and i just saw the videos of those 'tackles' from SD that have been circulating on twitter. Am wondering if he stayed on the field as a result of the early red card and the ref was trying to keep things even. IMO both tackles were red cards and how he obviously didnt get even a yellow for one of them is mind blowing.

bystanderbill (Wexford) - Posts: 18 - 17/10/2023 08:49:19    2508759

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Replying To SunnySouthEast:  "I think Pauric Hughes and Mark Rossiter have to make any team of the year. John Roche was also very good."
Yes Paraic Hughes would prob have to be on the team, Mark Rossiter would be pushing strong also

lefty (Wexford) - Posts: 176 - 17/10/2023 09:26:11    2508761

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Replying To beano:  "Hold on now buddy. Do you want me to send you on footage of a particular Shels player, who has received fierce criticism on here for his theatrics many a day, somehow escaping getting sent off? Its floating around twitter. Or the numerous errors the ref made besides that?

I acknowledged that Shels were the better team on the day, but there was no class to them at all."
Just to say I am from neither club involved but I would imagine alot of the Shels antics were in response to Castletown the year before. People have very short memories. A certain former county player threw a ball in on the pitch when time was up last year and caused a row, along with numerious other incidents in the game.

So I would say both teams are no saints when it comes to the dark arts over the past few years!.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 384 - 17/10/2023 10:03:08    2508766

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Replying To bystanderbill:  "Had a previous reply not posted by mods too. Didnt make the game myself. been speaking to a fair few were at it and i just saw the videos of those 'tackles' from SD that have been circulating on twitter. Am wondering if he stayed on the field as a result of the early red card and the ref was trying to keep things even. IMO both tackles were red cards and how he obviously didnt get even a yellow for one of them is mind blowing."
Seen 2 tackles on video that were both straight reds. Had he left the field for either of them it possibly would've affected the outcome of the game. I wouldn't be happy if I was a Castletown man.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 10245 - 17/10/2023 10:06:13    2508768

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Replying To beano:  "Hold on now buddy. Do you want me to send you on footage of a particular Shels player, who has received fierce criticism on here for his theatrics many a day, somehow escaping getting sent off? Its floating around twitter. Or the numerous errors the ref made besides that?

I acknowledged that Shels were the better team on the day, but there was no class to them at all."
Yes, the Shels player we're talking about has been getting away with it for a few years now in both codes.
Yes, the ref made errors ....... on both sides ( Imo he's a senior standard ref anyway ).
You mention class. I didn't see much class on display from either team, and appearantly there wasn't a lot of class shown after the final whistle either.

Yellaman (Wexford) - Posts: 70 - 17/10/2023 10:17:15    2508771

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Replying To beano:  "Hold on now buddy. Do you want me to send you on footage of a particular Shels player, who has received fierce criticism on here for his theatrics many a day, somehow escaping getting sent off? Its floating around twitter. Or the numerous errors the ref made besides that?

I acknowledged that Shels were the better team on the day, but there was no class to them at all."
like school in summer...

as far BM tackling the GK near the end

comc (Wexford) - Posts: 108 - 17/10/2023 10:38:17    2508776

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Replying To bystanderbill:  "Had a previous reply not posted by mods too. Didnt make the game myself. been speaking to a fair few were at it and i just saw the videos of those 'tackles' from SD that have been circulating on twitter. Am wondering if he stayed on the field as a result of the early red card and the ref was trying to keep things even. IMO both tackles were red cards and how he obviously didnt get even a yellow for one of them is mind blowing."
Have seen those videos and was at the match myself.

Didn't realise the first one was so bad until I actually saw the video - I was sitting towards the far end of the stand and didn't have a good view of how he hit the Castletown man. But I clearly saw the second one all right, and was amazed at the time that it wasn't a red card.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1956 - 17/10/2023 10:53:42    2508778

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Replying To Yellaman:  "Yes, the Shels player we're talking about has been getting away with it for a few years now in both codes.
Yes, the ref made errors ....... on both sides ( Imo he's a senior standard ref anyway ).
You mention class. I didn't see much class on display from either team, and appearantly there wasn't a lot of class shown after the final whistle either."
Just a general point, not directly related to Sunday:

I reckon that in any match, a referee might make five or six errors in terms of frees awarded or not awarded, or cards not issued. I'm talking genuine errors, not perceived errors as seen by those wearing glasses tinted in one colour or the other.

The losing team (anywhere from 15 to 20 players) will probably have made 30, 40, or even 50 errors, in terms of misplaced passes, bad wides, not tracking their men properly, etc.

Yet when they lose a close match, the focus is always on the relatively small number of errors made by the ref, rather than the relatively large number of errors they've made themselves.

It's always easy to blame somebody else, but sometimes you have to accept it was your own mistakes that cost you the match, and not somebody else's.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1956 - 17/10/2023 11:33:09    2508792

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The culprit in both of those videos could easily have been sent off before either of those incidents happened.

He was involved in striking Ben Brosnan at the same time as another Shels player was sent off for it.

Also in the first half he made a deliberate body colide to block the run of Jonathan Bealin I think, threw in a dive to win a free on Robbie Brooks, took a water bottle from Ben Brosnan and burst it by stamping on it.

Combined then with the two sickening challenges that I'm sure everyone has seen at this stage.

Overall it was one of the most disgusting performances from an individual on the field of play I've ever witnessed.

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 516 - 17/10/2023 11:47:49    2508796

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2 poor tackles warranted cards .
The way lads go down nowadays no worse culprit than the tackler/defendant . Very hard on refs to determine what's a reckless tackle or play acting .
Although some of replies on social media are worse than tackles the hatred and venom is a worry .
All teams have certain players who are enforcersznx play on the edge thats the way it is .
The tough but fair line can is crossed to often .
I ve no love for lot of referees and had issues with refs over time inc that one but I do realise more now how tough it can be to determine what's a foul , what's a card, what's play acting ,what's cynical.
When players coached and encouraged to do all above with view of fooling ref for their advantage. 30 players and whatever mentors supporters subs on a field and on line And everyone bias and only worried for their own benefit it can be impossible for them .

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 130 - 17/10/2023 11:50:35    2508797

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Just a general point, not directly related to Sunday:

I reckon that in any match, a referee might make five or six errors in terms of frees awarded or not awarded, or cards not issued. I'm talking genuine errors, not perceived errors as seen by those wearing glasses tinted in one colour or the other.

The losing team (anywhere from 15 to 20 players) will probably have made 30, 40, or even 50 errors, in terms of misplaced passes, bad wides, not tracking their men properly, etc.

Yet when they lose a close match, the focus is always on the relatively small number of errors made by the ref, rather than the relatively large number of errors they've made themselves.

It's always easy to blame somebody else, but sometimes you have to accept it was your own mistakes that cost you the match, and not somebody else's."
Pikeman, that last sentence of yours just about sums it all up. Well said sir.

Yellaman (Wexford) - Posts: 70 - 17/10/2023 12:16:03    2508808

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