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Replying To Jazzyjeff:  "Absolutely gutted on the way home from the game. A really sore one to take. The boys did themselves justice but we should not have lost that game."
Ye lost it more than kerry won it. So many wides ye must be sick.

SimonstownBack (Meath) - Posts: 163 - 16/07/2023 19:24:06    2494888

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Replying To johnq:  "Have a look at it again. He jumps gets the ball and turns sideways so his knees don't go into the Derry player's face. And yes his arse catches him, but he hasn't jumped at him. He has gone up for the ball."
You do realise it's not about intent, but about outcome? Yellow card all day long, terrible decision.

points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 291 - 16/07/2023 19:24:32    2494889

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Replying To giveitlong:  "Pat Spillane never tired of telling viewers that, regardless of plans or systems, the team that wins midfield nearly always wins the game. (with the exception of Mayo who have been lacking in natural forwards for a very long time) Derry only really dominated midfield, and to very good effect, when they had an extra man. Once Kerry got to grips around the middle the pendulum swung their way. Free and Yellow against Clifford very harsh, Ryan maybe a free but nothing more. If there was a red card incident Gareth McKinless was very luck not to get one in the incident in which he went off injured. Can't understand last kick unless ref told him he had to score direct, which I doubt. Best game all year. Derry have really improved and are clearly a top 3 team now but I wonder is there any set of circumstances (5 points down last minute) when they are prepared leave a couple of men up. Hard to call the final bookies have Kingdom the slightest of favs."
Nothing more? Ryan very lucky not have had a Red and McKinless very lucky too. Not sure exactly when Kerry got to grips in midfield.. if they did it was for maybe 5 minutes. Derry lost it as much as Kerry won it.

DonegalAtlantic (Donegal) - Posts: 114 - 16/07/2023 19:30:26    2494892

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Replying To Saynothing:  "No he can't stop in mid air but not many players do a spin around in mid air and lead with their hole."
You protect yourself and the ball, did you not play football?

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 584 - 16/07/2023 19:37:15    2494895

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Replying To giveitlong:  "Pat Spillane never tired of telling viewers that, regardless of plans or systems, the team that wins midfield nearly always wins the game. (with the exception of Mayo who have been lacking in natural forwards for a very long time) Derry only really dominated midfield, and to very good effect, when they had an extra man. Once Kerry got to grips around the middle the pendulum swung their way. Free and Yellow against Clifford very harsh, Ryan maybe a free but nothing more. If there was a red card incident Gareth McKinless was very luck not to get one in the incident in which he went off injured. Can't understand last kick unless ref told him he had to score direct, which I doubt. Best game all year. Derry have really improved and are clearly a top 3 team now but I wonder is there any set of circumstances (5 points down last minute) when they are prepared leave a couple of men up. Hard to call the final bookies have Kingdom the slightest of favs."
You do realize that Garth McKinless was taking a free when Sean o Shea knocked the ball outof his hands ? How could that be a red card

UtahBlaine (Galway) - Posts: 153 - 16/07/2023 19:42:11    2494898

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Replying To giveitlong:  "Pat Spillane never tired of telling viewers that, regardless of plans or systems, the team that wins midfield nearly always wins the game. (with the exception of Mayo who have been lacking in natural forwards for a very long time) Derry only really dominated midfield, and to very good effect, when they had an extra man. Once Kerry got to grips around the middle the pendulum swung their way. Free and Yellow against Clifford very harsh, Ryan maybe a free but nothing more. If there was a red card incident Gareth McKinless was very luck not to get one in the incident in which he went off injured. Can't understand last kick unless ref told him he had to score direct, which I doubt. Best game all year. Derry have really improved and are clearly a top 3 team now but I wonder is there any set of circumstances (5 points down last minute) when they are prepared leave a couple of men up. Hard to call the final bookies have Kingdom the slightest of favs."
Gareth McKinless should have been sent off for taking a free and someone else trying to block a free being taken…am I reading that right

smallfrank (Galway) - Posts: 505 - 16/07/2023 19:58:31    2494901

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Oh right Caveman, there must be hard men around Cavan. Cliffords shoulder was on shoulder but from the front, free all day, keepers should have been a yellow but more importantly, no score. Ref was piss poor but when has he had a good game. He might get the final now."
If you're giving frees for that, then the game really is gone. It was a "footballing incident". .McGuigan got himself in a bad position. Nothing more.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5246 - 16/07/2023 20:11:48    2494907

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Very very relieved. That was a serious performance from Derry

Cannot understand the calls for the red for Ryan, he was 100% entitled to go for that ball and his momentum was going to carry him in to the the Derry man one way or another, you are also entitled to protect yourself with the football. Can anyone calling for a straight red definitely state what rule he broke in that instance? In fairness I wouldn't have complained if it was a free out for an accidental clash but a red card? On what basis?

Derry near perfect in the first half and will be kicking themselves, Kerry definitely got on top as the second half went on however. Stephen O'brien played a blinder and will be making a serious case for the start in two weeks time

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2113 - 16/07/2023 20:11:58    2494908

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Replying To achara:  "You protect yourself and the ball, did you not play football?"
That's the cowardly way to protect ball and yourself, collisions happen but not like that. It was never a red card offence but a yellow and shouldn't have been a score. If a Dub done it to to Mc Manus yesterday you would have a different view. People calling for keeper to miss the final are way off the mark also.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2289 - 16/07/2023 20:14:42    2494911

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Commiserations to derry who really put it up to Kerry, but scores dried up for them in second half. Mcquillan had a poor game for both teams, also time a hooter was brought in for intercounty matches. It was already over 5 minutes when mckindless picked up his injury , don't know where mcquillan got the additional minute+ from. The team who wins mf doesn't necessarily always win, it's usually the team who takes their chances, David Clifford. What a player!

totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1054 - 16/07/2023 20:15:21    2494912

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Replying To UtahBlaine:  "You do realize that Garth McKinless was taking a free when Sean o Shea knocked the ball outof his hands ? How could that be a red card"
Yeah, O'Shea had no business being there (apart from trying to slow down play) but look at the force behind McKinles' kick - it was way way more than it needed to be if he was giving the straightforward pass.
Back fired on him and hope the injury isn't too bad. He's a cracking footballer. All star on the way.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5246 - 16/07/2023 20:18:21    2494915

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Replying To Gaa Fan:  "Goalie came out hard, went high for the ball, got it, and turned his body to avoid striking his opponent with his knees. I don't see how he could just hang there and not collide with the player.
If you get the ball first and the collide with a player, without going out of your way to do so, it cannot be called a charge."
It's different in USA, they have shoulder pads.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2289 - 16/07/2023 20:19:34    2494916

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Wonder had McGuigan a bet on a 2 point winning margin? ridiculous effort for one of the best forwards in the game according to the pundits.
Kerry played below their level I thought and still managed to win it, sets up the final I suppose everybody wants."
What a ridiculous comment. Catch a grip man.

RoverTin (Derry) - Posts: 228 - 16/07/2023 20:20:26    2494917

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Oh right Caveman, there must be hard men around Cavan. Cliffords shoulder was on shoulder but from the front, free all day, keepers should have been a yellow but more importantly, no score. Ref was piss poor but when has he had a good game. He might get the final now."
How could it be shoulder on shoulder from the front… that makes no sense at all… Wasn't even a foul let alone a yellow card…. Mc Kague got a yellow in the first half for nothing at all… Ref was poor but as he took charge of a semifinal there is no chance of him getting the Final…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3814 - 16/07/2023 20:36:19    2494922

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Replying To points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet:  "You do realise it's not about intent, but about outcome? Yellow card all day long, terrible decision."
My god you mean to tell me if there's a 60/40 ball in your favour you shouldn't go for it incase you hurt your opponent?

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 584 - 16/07/2023 20:37:04    2494923

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "Very very relieved. That was a serious performance from Derry

Cannot understand the calls for the red for Ryan, he was 100% entitled to go for that ball and his momentum was going to carry him in to the the Derry man one way or another, you are also entitled to protect yourself with the football. Can anyone calling for a straight red definitely state what rule he broke in that instance? In fairness I wouldn't have complained if it was a free out for an accidental clash but a red card? On what basis?

Derry near perfect in the first half and will be kicking themselves, Kerry definitely got on top as the second half went on however. Stephen O'brien played a blinder and will be making a serious case for the start in two weeks time"
It's a red all day….. it's dangerous play … he connected with the head …. Also Oz'Brien hit Rodgers with a few closed fists …
I enjoyed the game .., don't care who wins , but if this was Longford v Westmeath of Fermanagh v Leitrim - it would be a straight red card

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1688 - 16/07/2023 22:33:10    2494943

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Replying To UtahBlaine:  "You do realize that Garth McKinless was taking a free when Sean o Shea knocked the ball outof his hands ? How could that be a red card"
O Shea shouldn't have knocked the ball away but McKinless knew what he was doing. It was a free about 40 yards from goal with his team 3 points down in the final play of the game.. look at the force and direction he kicked out.. if he kicked the ball the way he kicked O Shea it would have ended up in the Hill about 10 foot wide!! You think that's what he was trying??? All he ended up doing was injuring himself after having a fine game.

D.Hyde (Roscommon) - Posts: 269 - 16/07/2023 22:39:17    2494944

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Poor old Derry soiled the pants in the second half, only 4 points in 35mins in an All Ireland semi final (and one of them the last kick of the game) is pathetic.

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1731 - 17/07/2023 06:08:53    2494956

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I thought Ryan claimed that ball the way you want your keeper to claim a high ball dropping in on goal which is what he's used to, you take ball and man, as Michael Murphy said in studio there was only one man jumping for the ball, what was McGuigan doing just standing rooted to the spot? He should have been up with the fist to break the ball away from Ryan at the very least.
It was just a collision that happens in every game, McGuigan should be protecting himself too, if that happens in the box you'd be saying well done to your goalie for commanding his square.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3182 - 17/07/2023 08:21:21    2494958

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Certainly not a red or yellow card for Ryan and pretty much the ref got it right. He had every right to jump and catch the ball and if the opposing player got himself in a compromised position then he should expect a collision. Wasn't a free either because he wasn't charging with the ball he was catching it. Good composure then to kick the point so it was hard play but totally within the rules. Hard luck Derry, a really excellent team with the potential to win an All-Ireland.

jonno (Kildare) - Posts: 261 - 17/07/2023 08:53:12    2494971

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