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Replying To Rolo2010:  "Tommy Walsh says the rules must be changed to prevent Wexford being relegated. He says no disrespect to other counties but a traditional county can't be allowed to go down. Offaly have had a similar level of success since 1980 so at what point do you determine which county is traditional. Hurling has been played in Laois and Carlow since the GAA was founded despite the lack of titles.

It was never about growing the game. It's always been about protecting the top counties."
I haven't heard any Wexford man talking about moving the goalposts. Not even on this and there's plenty of annoyed and disappointed Wexford supporters posting all week.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15681 - 23/05/2023 15:33:00    2480966

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "At the end of the day lads Wexford have/will played five matches and at the end of the five games if we only can muster a win against one team then frankly we will end up where it takes us and if that is to Joe McDonagh then so be it.

It might actually be no harm, the whole squad needs a freshen up and a new manager like Keith Rossiter et al, might find their feet with a year in Joe McDonagh and then bring a rejuvenated younger squad back into the Liam McCarthy Cup and Leinster Championship in 2025.

I expect this years team and management to do everything they can on Sunday to survive, we know only a positive result will gaurantee that. If we are left in Wexford Park listening to radios to see if Westmeath can get a late winner v Antrim then what will be will be.

Kilkenny would love nothing more than to drive the boot into us on Sunday evening driving home from Wexford Park. I can only imagine the laughing in places like The Rower and Graignamangh on Sunday evening is Wexford get relegated."
Good thing school is over in a week for my eldest no doubt she will get plenty of it if we go down! I've a few friends I won't be taking calls from also!!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15681 - 23/05/2023 15:35:04    2480968

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Replying To Unusedsub:  "What a load of bs. Antrim fielded a weakened team last year against Kerry. Carlow beat Offaly in Tullamore but lost out as Kerry beat that weakened Antrim team. Antrim were right and so were Offaly this year. Carlow didn't moan last year as we recognised we didn't do enough before that match to deserve to be in the final. Laois didn't deserve it this year either."
The top 3 get out of the Munster and Leinster groups. Carlow missing out last year and Laois missing out this year highlights that it should be considered. The league has a 2A semi-final but the championship does not have a championship semi-final.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8773 - 23/05/2023 15:42:21    2480973

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Replying To Báireoir:  "If you can believe wikipedia on this, Wexford did not participate in 1936. I'd assume this was the last year. They certainly never got relegated to the best of my knowledge.

I think the rest of the 'big nine' have competed consistently since the early 1900s."
According to "The Wexford GAA Bible" - as comprehensive a collection of results and stats as you'll ever see - we did indeed play in the senior championship of 1936.

It says Wexford played Meath in the first round in Naas on April 26 that year, and lost by 8-5 to 3-7, after leading by 3-3 to 1-1 at half time. Sorry echoes of last Sunday, in that there seems to have been a complete second half collapse!

Anyway, it even lists the scorers, so the match must have gone ahead, and Wikipedia is missing the detail of it.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 23/05/2023 16:08:58    2480994

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Just another thought on this is that maybe "little" Laois and maybe even hurling folk in your own county should be careful what they wish for. Let's just say the following happens:

- Wexford are relegated, and next year decide to just go through the motions in the group stage, trying out several new players etc. and being happy to settle for third place. They lose to both Laois and Kerry but win their other three games and so finish third, with 6 points.
- Meanwhile, either Laois or Kerry win all their games and finish top with 10, while the other one finishes in second place with 8.
- Ordinarily, you'd then have a Laois v Kerry final, and Wexford would be out of the picture. But now, with a semi-final, Wexford resolve to step it up a gear. They go on to beat either Laois or Kerry in the semi-final, and the other one in the final.
- Would "little" Laois or Kerry be happy in that situation?

By the way, am not taking it for granted that Wexford would beat Laois or Kerry in any semi-final or final. We've seen in the past few days that we can take absolutely nothing for granted! But am using this situation to make a point. Do you think you or Laois would be happy with it?"
From a promotion of the game perspective, there hasn't been a proper shootout to make the final in recent years despite exciting early rounds. Counties outside the traditional 8 or so counties have to be honest that they are not bringing crowds with them that add to championship atmosphere at games.
Divisions 2A, 2B, 3A and 3B should give the top team home advantage against 2nd in the league finals. The hope would be that the home support might in time get behind their hurling team in the final at least.
The division final runners-up could be given a home promotion/relegation playoff against 5th from the division above. Again, another high profile game. One would hope the home support might get behind their county.
On the McDonagh then; 2nd at home to 3rd in the semi-finals. The McDonagh is a very competitive level. 2nd v 3rd in a shout-out semi-final can raise the profile of the McDonagh further. If a Wexford do finish 3rd and then beat Laois away in a semi-final and beat Offaly or Carlow in Croke Park, so be it.
Carlow on last year and this year's form would have made a semi-final interesting last year. These games raise the profile and standard. If Carlow v Offaly recently was for final qualification, it would have been an interesting dynamic. Whatever semi-final that resulted then would be whetting peoples appetite more for the final.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8773 - 23/05/2023 16:13:00    2480996

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "Tommy Walsh says the rules must be changed to prevent Wexford being relegated. He says no disrespect to other counties but a traditional county can't be allowed to go down. Offaly have had a similar level of success since 1980 so at what point do you determine which county is traditional. Hurling has been played in Laois and Carlow since the GAA was founded despite the lack of titles.

It was never about growing the game. It's always been about protecting the top counties."
1st things 1st I disagree with Tommy if we finish bottom of Leinster we deserve to go down simple as, if you ever listen to him on Off the Ball he'd be as delighted as anyone for Westmeath to get the scalp they did on Sunday he'd love the game to grow but lets be realistic 1 of the traditional top 8 or 9 going down is the opposite of that, also your the last person to passing judgement it's a sure as anything you've no interest in hurling growing, yourself and a poster from Tyrone claiming dual players at club level are selfish says everything about your mindset.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 23/05/2023 16:25:23    2481005

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "1st things 1st I disagree with Tommy if we finish bottom of Leinster we deserve to go down simple as, if you ever listen to him on Off the Ball he'd be as delighted as anyone for Westmeath to get the scalp they did on Sunday he'd love the game to grow but lets be realistic 1 of the traditional top 8 or 9 going down is the opposite of that, also your the last person to passing judgement it's a sure as anything you've no interest in hurling growing, yourself and a poster from Tyrone claiming dual players at club level are selfish says everything about your mindset."
Had forgotten about that one by the Tyrone person claiming that dual players at club level are selfish. One of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on here.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 23/05/2023 17:04:10    2481016

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The top 3 get out of the Munster and Leinster groups. Carlow missing out last year and Laois missing out this year highlights that it should be considered. The league has a 2A semi-final but the championship does not have a championship semi-final."
Third place teams don't get into a semi final. They play off against the Joe Mac finalists. Where do you draw the line? Should a 4th placed team not get into a semi final also?
I never thought it was fair that a team that didn't finish top of a League/Round Robin didn't get promoted/be champions. In football both League finalists in any division go up so that lessens the unfairness. But whoever finishes top should be League champions of that division all the same. They earn it over a series of games.
Same with relegation finals. Cloughbawn got relegated from the Wexford Senior Hurling championship despite winning 2 games. They were beaten by Rathnure who won no games.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15681 - 23/05/2023 17:14:55    2481021

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "According to "The Wexford GAA Bible" - as comprehensive a collection of results and stats as you'll ever see - we did indeed play in the senior championship of 1936.

It says Wexford played Meath in the first round in Naas on April 26 that year, and lost by 8-5 to 3-7, after leading by 3-3 to 1-1 at half time. Sorry echoes of last Sunday, in that there seems to have been a complete second half collapse!

Anyway, it even lists the scorers, so the match must have gone ahead, and Wikipedia is missing the detail of it."
Wikipedia is only as reliable as the lad who put whatever up. As I'm pretty sure God doesn't contribute to it it's best to take anything on it with a pinch of salt.......

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15681 - 23/05/2023 17:16:15    2481022

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "1st things 1st I disagree with Tommy if we finish bottom of Leinster we deserve to go down simple as, if you ever listen to him on Off the Ball he'd be as delighted as anyone for Westmeath to get the scalp they did on Sunday he'd love the game to grow but lets be realistic 1 of the traditional top 8 or 9 going down is the opposite of that, also your the last person to passing judgement it's a sure as anything you've no interest in hurling growing, yourself and a poster from Tyrone claiming dual players at club level are selfish says everything about your mindset."
You are like an elephant TerribleFootwork; )

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15681 - 23/05/2023 17:17:49    2481023

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Had forgotten about that one by the Tyrone person claiming that dual players at club level are selfish. One of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on here."
Yeah mad stuff, putting your life on hold for your club is the total opposite of it, shows how out of touch some people here really are.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 23/05/2023 17:18:53    2481024

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I wonder did Tommy think through what he said? I'd imagine that Westmeath and Antrim, not to mention Laois, Offaly and Carlow who have been in same situation, must be pretty annoyed.

What Tommy is saying is that it's okay for them to be relegated but not for the other four teams - I'm assuming he would make same argument about Dublin but perhaps not!

I haven't heard anyone from Wexford make the same argument nor do i expect there will be such a case made by the county board.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3512 - 23/05/2023 17:23:30    2481026

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Replying To Viking66:  "Third place teams don't get into a semi final. They play off against the Joe Mac finalists. Where do you draw the line? Should a 4th placed team not get into a semi final also?
I never thought it was fair that a team that didn't finish top of a League/Round Robin didn't get promoted/be champions. In football both League finalists in any division go up so that lessens the unfairness. But whoever finishes top should be League champions of that division all the same. They earn it over a series of games.
Same with relegation finals. Cloughbawn got relegated from the Wexford Senior Hurling championship despite winning 2 games. They were beaten by Rathnure who won no games."
The third placed teams in Munster and Leinster remain in the All-Ireland hunt however. In the Munster U20 hurling championship, 2nd play 3rd in a semi-final after the round robin. It suits in the situation where it is knockout. The semi-final loser being eliminated.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8773 - 23/05/2023 17:35:30    2481028

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "You've made a few snide remarks over the last few months."
Well, I didn't think so and don't think I posted on the WX page after Dublin beat you and definitely nothing insulting or degrading.

If you want I can add in something like (tongue in cheek) if you can't decipher.

The main remarks I made were throughout the league, when there was not even the tiniest semblance of a game plan and I was 100% critical of the management team after witnessing that horror show v Clare in the flesh. Unless you saw something else I did throughout the league, I think the alarm I and others were posting has become the reality.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1336 - 23/05/2023 17:38:47    2481029

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I was in our local pitch last night and heard nobody talking about changing the rule for Wexford.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1336 - 23/05/2023 17:40:19    2481031

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "1st things 1st I disagree with Tommy if we finish bottom of Leinster we deserve to go down simple as, if you ever listen to him on Off the Ball he'd be as delighted as anyone for Westmeath to get the scalp they did on Sunday he'd love the game to grow but lets be realistic 1 of the traditional top 8 or 9 going down is the opposite of that, also your the last person to passing judgement it's a sure as anything you've no interest in hurling growing, yourself and a poster from Tyrone claiming dual players at club level are selfish says everything about your mindset."
Is that you Donal Og? When did you decide to support Wexford?

I see your still at the personal attacks even though you don't anything about me. I've never claimed that dual players are selfish and I would you like you to provide a quote or retract your comment and apologise.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 23/05/2023 17:48:14    2481037

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Replying To Viking66:  "You are like an elephant TerribleFootwork; )"
Clearly not because I've never claimed that dual players are selfish.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 23/05/2023 17:48:58    2481038

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Anyone who believes Wexford getting relegated is good does not have the best interests of hurling. I sound like a broken record but the current system is not the best. I hear it how competitive it is. The same can be achieved with a three division league and competitive play off. Relegation and promotion. Practically every team would be playing for something. The second tier more games again better opposition and at their own level. Over the winter I took all the teams and competitions on a speed sheet and did a program. The club championships should be qualifying for the next year because that is when it is finished anyway. It allowed for a shut down season in November, December and January. Scrap current league and any other competitions with two pre season games allowed. It works.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3035 - 23/05/2023 17:52:40    2481042

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Replying To Viking66:  "You are like an elephant TerribleFootwork; )"
Its about the only thing I'm useful for.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 23/05/2023 17:52:40    2481043

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "Tommy Walsh says the rules must be changed to prevent Wexford being relegated. He says no disrespect to other counties but a traditional county can't be allowed to go down. Offaly have had a similar level of success since 1980 so at what point do you determine which county is traditional. Hurling has been played in Laois and Carlow since the GAA was founded despite the lack of titles.

It was never about growing the game. It's always been about protecting the top counties."
As bad as they have been, I don't think Wexford this year can really be compared to Offaly in 2018.

Here are the Offaly's Championship results prior from 2014 to 2018 and Wexford's from 2020-2023:

Offaly

2014: Kilkenny 5-32 Offaly 1-18
Offaly 2-19 Antrim 1-20
Tipperary 5-25 Offaly 1-20

2015: Laois 0-29 Offaly 0-21
Clare 3-26 Offaly 0-15

2016: Westmeath 2-22 Offaly 1-11
Offaly 1-17 Carlow 2-11
Offaly 3-19 Kerry 0-20
Offaly 3-22 Laois 2-14
Galway 2-19 Offaly 2-09
Wexford 1-21 Offaly 1-13

2017: Offaly 4-15 Westmeath 1-20
Galway 0-33 Offaly 1-11
Waterford 1-35 Offaly 0-14

2018: Galway 5-18 Offaly 2-15
Kilkenny 2-19 Offaly 1-13
Wexford 5-24 Offaly 2-09
Dublin 2-24 Offaly 0-13

Wexford

2020: Galway 1-27 Wexford 0-17
Clare 1-21 Wexford 0-17

2021: Wexford 5-31 Laois 1-23
Kilkenny 2-37 Wexford 2-29 (AET)
Clare 2-25 Wexford 2-22

2022: Wexford 1-19 Galway 1-19
Dublin 0-24 Wexford 0-23
Wexford 6-21 Laois 0-12
Wexford 0-21 Westmeath 2-15
Wexford 1-22 Kilkenny 1-18
Wexford 3-30 Kerry 0-18
Clare 1-24 Wexford 3-14

2023: Galway 0-24 Wexford 2-12
Wexford 1-30 Antrim 1-26
Dublin 1-22 Wexford 0-23
Westmeath 4-18 Wexford 2-22

Across that timeframe, Kilkenny may be the biggest team Wexford have beaten but even when Wexford have lost, they have tended to be very competitive (Bar 2020). You can't say the same about Offaly in the years prior to them getting relegated.

Over the course of seventy-minute games in that time period, Wexford have played seven games that were won by three points or less, drawing three and losing four.

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 480 - 23/05/2023 18:18:20    2481053

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