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They lost to Tipperary by 2 points in the Munster SF and then lost to Galway in R2 of the Qualifiers; the four losers in the Qualifiers were all then put in a relegation SF. Wexford ended up there as well after losing twice by two points to Dublin in the Leinster SF and Limerick in the Qualifiers
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 214 - 23/05/2023 12:24:01 2480850 Link 0 |
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There was no round robin back then, they lost to Galway in the qualifiers who just joined the Leinster championship. Antrim, Offaly, Wexford and Clare were the 4 earliest qualifier losers, we lost to Limerick by 2 points in absolutely biblical rain in Wexford Park. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_All-Ireland_Senior_Hurling_Championship TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1673 - 23/05/2023 12:33:45 2480858 Link 0 |
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You've made a few snide remarks over the last few months.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1673 - 23/05/2023 12:35:02 2480859 Link 0 |
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It was a different set-up altogether in those days, long before the round-robin group structures we have now. Provincial championships were still on a knock-out basis. Losers in the first round of the provincial championships would go into Phase 1 of the back-door qualifiers (two matches), and losers in the provincial semi-finals would go into Phase 2 (another two matches). Then the losers of these four qualifier matches would go into relegation semi-finals. Clare ended up there because they lost their Munster semi-final and then also lost their Phase 2 qualifier match. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2229 - 23/05/2023 12:43:32 2480868 Link 0 |
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If Wexford were to miss out on a McDonagh final because of an Offaly fielding a second team, there would be a bigger push to introduce a 2nd v 3rd semi-final. Little Laois are not being listened to. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7822 - 23/05/2023 13:06:40 2480880 Link 0 |
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Wexford have been mainly qualifying for the All Ireland preliminary quarter finals. If regulated to the Joe Mcdonagh, we'll get to the same stage of the All-Ireland series at lot easier. WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 374 - 23/05/2023 13:20:14 2480885 Link 0 |
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Laois had the opportunity to beat both Offaly and Carlow, yet they managed to beat neither. They can't blame Offaly for that.
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 23/05/2023 13:32:03 2480893 Link 0 |
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It isn't necessary and you seem to be pushing this a lot.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 23/05/2023 13:32:23 2480894 Link 0 |
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Who's to say there won't be a 2nd v 3rd place semi-final in next year's competition? Laois or anybody else can bring a motion to call for it, and if it gets enough support, it'll happen. How is that them "not being listened to"? Because surely you're not calling for a change in this year's competition, to have a 2nd v 3rd place semi-final now, despite the competition structure being clearly set out at the start? Wouldn't that be a case of "making it up as they go along", to go back on their own rules, because "little" Laois think they're more deserving than "even littler" Carlow? Whatever the ethics of Offaly putting out a second-string team against Carlow, they broke no rules in doing so, and the fact remains that if Laois had beaten Carlow themselves, then they (Laois) would have been in the final anyway. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2229 - 23/05/2023 13:32:30 2480895 Link 0 |
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Little Laois had the same opportunities as everyone else in the Joe Mc, Offaly earned the right to put whatever team they wanted out based on their results prior, Laois need to get over this perceived injustice quickly otherwise they wont get out of the Joe Mc next year either.
keepitlit (Longford) - Posts: 33 - 23/05/2023 13:46:32 2480901 Link 0 |
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No that's nonsense. If we go down it will be because we deserve to. And if we don't get back up that will be because we didnt deserve to. It's up to every team in a round robin to play whichever players they see fit to pick. Laois not being in the Joe Mac final didn't hinge on the result of that one game.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11730 - 23/05/2023 14:02:21 2480905 Link 0 |
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There's no 2nd v 3rd semi in Leinster or Munster.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11730 - 23/05/2023 14:03:09 2480906 Link 0 |
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Just another thought on this is that maybe "little" Laois and maybe even hurling folk in your own county should be careful what they wish for. Let's just say the following happens: - Wexford are relegated, and next year decide to just go through the motions in the group stage, trying out several new players etc. and being happy to settle for third place. They lose to both Laois and Kerry but win their other three games and so finish third, with 6 points. - Meanwhile, either Laois or Kerry win all their games and finish top with 10, while the other one finishes in second place with 8. - Ordinarily, you'd then have a Laois v Kerry final, and Wexford would be out of the picture. But now, with a semi-final, Wexford resolve to step it up a gear. They go on to beat either Laois or Kerry in the semi-final, and the other one in the final. - Would "little" Laois or Kerry be happy in that situation? By the way, am not taking it for granted that Wexford would beat Laois or Kerry in any semi-final or final. We've seen in the past few days that we can take absolutely nothing for granted! But am using this situation to make a point. Do you think you or Laois would be happy with it? Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2229 - 23/05/2023 14:19:18 2480916 Link 0 |
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Do you have the years for the other big counties?
GaA247 (Cork) - Posts: 58 - 23/05/2023 14:30:20 2480920 Link 0 |
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What a load of bs. Antrim fielded a weakened team last year against Kerry. Carlow beat Offaly in Tullamore but lost out as Kerry beat that weakened Antrim team. Antrim were right and so were Offaly this year. Carlow didn't moan last year as we recognised we didn't do enough before that match to deserve to be in the final. Laois didn't deserve it this year either.
Unusedsub (Carlow) - Posts: 76 - 23/05/2023 14:41:22 2480927 Link 0 |
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Tommy Walsh says the rules must be changed to prevent Wexford being relegated. He says no disrespect to other counties but a traditional county can't be allowed to go down. Offaly have had a similar level of success since 1980 so at what point do you determine which county is traditional. Hurling has been played in Laois and Carlow since the GAA was founded despite the lack of titles. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 23/05/2023 15:03:35 2480949 Link 1 |
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At the end of the day lads Wexford have/will played five matches and at the end of the five games if we only can muster a win against one team then frankly we will end up where it takes us and if that is to Joe McDonagh then so be it. hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 23/05/2023 15:10:26 2480953 Link 0 |
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No. Should have said "history book" rather than "history books" (plural) because I'm relying on just one book here, and it's specifically about Wexford. To the best of my knowledge though, all the Munster counties, Kilkenny, Dublin and Galway have all always competed in senior (even if for Galway for many years, it was a bye straight to an All-Ireland semi-final and sometimes even a final). Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2229 - 23/05/2023 15:18:56 2480956 Link 0 |
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If you can believe wikipedia on this, Wexford did not participate in 1936. I'd assume this was the last year. They certainly never got relegated to the best of my knowledge. I think the rest of the 'big nine' have competed consistently since the early 1900s. Báireoir (Dublin) - Posts: 80 - 23/05/2023 15:19:28 2480957 Link 0 |
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As much as I'd hate to see us relegated, I'd fundamentally disagree with what Walsh says there. if we finish bottom of a six-team group, then we deserve to go down, and we have nobody to blame but ourselves.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2229 - 23/05/2023 15:31:23 2480964 Link 0 |