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CSO stats. Check them out. Tens of thousands still leaving by the way. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3225 - 30/10/2024 14:15:40 2577616 Link 2 |
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Irish people will NEVER become a minority on this island and it's frankly preposterous that anyone would admit to thinking that without having fallen hook line and sinker for the most blatant misinformation
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12224 - 30/10/2024 15:44:47 2577629 Link 2 |
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NEVER? Not in our lifetime but if we keep taking in people at this rate and throw in the fact Irish families are now very small then anything is possible in the future.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11426 - 30/10/2024 18:03:29 2577639 Link 1 |
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Barney the immigrants who are having children now will have lived here for 40 or 50 years by the time you are talking about. Their children and grandchildren will be Irish born and bred. Or are you still considering them to be immigrants too?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 30/10/2024 18:09:01 2577640 Link 0 |
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Can you please explain to me why it isn't.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3082 - 30/10/2024 18:33:39 2577646 Link 0 |
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Well it depends how you define Irish. What would be called ethnic Irish now, i.e. people whose ancestors are on the island for at least hundreds of years (in many cases much longer) are likely to become a minority on the island over the coming century. It's simple demographics. Most of the developed world have birth rates well below the rate of replacement. That trend has been ongoing for a few decades and isn't projected to change. In actual fact, it's projected to continue to fall. Japan is projected to lose 1/3 of it's population in the coming decades, which is pretty stark, unless they allow significant immigration. The world's population is actually expected to start falling after peaking in the 2060s, which is only a few decades away. It's projected to start falling fairly rapidly after that. Ireland's birth rate is falling and is below the rate of replacement. The highest birth rates are in developing countries. With climate change, enforced migration and a need for people, Europe will almost certainly see much greater migration in the next few decades, at rates way beyond what is happening now. The UN have projections based on this. It will eventually get to the point that the majority of the population are descended from relatively recent immigrants. That's not a political statement and to be honest I don't have a strong opinion on it. It just it what it is. But I do think it's important that it's acknowledged, as countries do need to prepare. Putting your head in the sand and ignoring basic demographics won't help plan for potential issues. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2210 - 30/10/2024 19:02:39 2577648 Link 0 |
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Well said Couldn't put it better myself. Totally delusional to think irish people will become a minority here. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3680 - 30/10/2024 19:17:39 2577649 Link 0 |
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Put up a star and crescent instead and see how that works out for gays and women
tommyjohn (Monaghan) - Posts: 62 - 31/10/2024 00:00:49 2577664 Link 2 |
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I don't often agree with you killingfields but on this I do. The whipping up of hatred towards migrants and refugees is despicable and disgusting in this country. Hard to believe there are 40 million people of Irish descent living in the US and tens of thousands of Irish born people there and 'patriots' here have no understanding or empathy of what it is to be an outsider in a foreign land and trying to get by. The brave men and women here protesting against and burning down buildings is KKK standard intimidation, hatred and bigotry. There were housing issues, hospital waiting lists and social issues ever before immigration was an issue here and young people leaving now is down to life style choices rather than being driven out by migrants. Local people in my area that have left had good jobs but they just want the good weather and a change for a few years and weren't driven out by 'planters'. This far right fascist rhetoric offers us nothing only division, unrest and like 100 years ago war where the fascist were defeated but the people who lived through those times are all dead now and society has forgotten how evil and fruitless it all was.
updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 853 - 31/10/2024 01:58:33 2577667 Link 2 |
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So you think putting over a thousand males in tents heading into winter is a good idea…? You think dozens of asylum seekers hanging around street corners with nothing to do is a good look… Have a bit of cop on…. If we have nowhere proper for these people to live then they shouldn't be coming into the country… We have over 15k of our own homeless with thousands of them children and you expect people to sit back and accept what's going on…? Wake up…!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3150 - 31/10/2024 07:12:52 2577668 Link 1 |
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Why don't we have more homes for people? All this crisis is entirely the fault of government right wing economic policy over the last 30 plus years.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 31/10/2024 09:28:37 2577688 Link 1 |
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Correct. Stopped building social houses, threw €billions to private landlords in HAP, allowed private rents to go out of control; now for the second time price of private houses has gone crazy, hectares upon hectares of public owned land could have been used for affordable housing/ tenant purchases etc. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2003 - 31/10/2024 10:34:27 2577697 Link 0 |
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Irish people becoming a minority. More rubbish from you.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8191 - 31/10/2024 10:53:13 2577700 Link 2 |
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Well if you and your far right buddies stopped burning down un-used building's these people wouldn't be in tents or on the streets. As for 15,000 Irish people being homeless that is the fault of our own government and it's failure to build social housing not the fault of a Syrian or Nigerian asylum seeker. Under privileged Irish people arguing with and attacking refugees with nothing is like 2 baldy men fighting over a comb, the government is being given a free pass here again and will be again in a few weeks time. updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 853 - 31/10/2024 14:35:30 2577736 Link 2 |
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Well said I agree 100% with you I'm involved with my local gaa club from a successful minor team if six years ago half are now spread all over the world leaving we'll paying jobs to TRAVEL and see the world many doing work abroad they wouldn't dream of doing at home definitely migrants had nothing to do with them going
minor77 (Galway) - Posts: 249 - 31/10/2024 15:02:36 2577740 Link 1 |
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Centrists are moderates. Who generally aupport moderate political change instead of more extreme change like many on left or right side of the political spectrum want. All too often more right or left wing parties will have populist views and centrists parties will be more liberal on certain issues particularly social issues KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3680 - 31/10/2024 17:05:04 2577757 Link 1 |
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Centrists are moderates. Who generally aupport moderate political change instead of more extreme change like many on left or right side of the political spectrum want. All too often more right or left wing parties will have populist views and centrists parties will be more liberal on certain issues particularly social issues To simply say centrists are those who sit on the fence misses the point completely. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3680 - 31/10/2024 17:27:15 2577760 Link 1 |
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I agree with you that it's the government's fault that so many Irish people are homeless but can you not see why so many people are so worked up about the government doing all they can to accommodate asylum seekers yet are turning a blind eye to the problems their own citizens are in…. this is what angers people the most…. And comparing this to Irish people going to America and elsewhere many years ago is just wrong and belittles them as those people went and worked like dogs to support their families there and at home while most of what we have arriving here are doing nothing but getting hand outs… It's just totally unsustainable to keep letting these people arrive here with no where to stay and not allowed to work ….. Rodric O Gorman .. nil points..!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3150 - 31/10/2024 19:42:40 2577771 Link 3 |
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Most Irish people are pretty Centrist. That plus our PR system means we don't get loony extremist Governments . Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2003 - 31/10/2024 20:25:35 2577773 Link 0 |
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Very good post.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3082 - 31/10/2024 20:26:42 2577774 Link 0 |