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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Couldn't compete when other teams had the same financial clout…. Saw it coming and ran…"
You're trolling is as lacking as your football knowledge.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 20/08/2022 15:57:21    2438131

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Fergusons greatness as a football manager is unquestioned. His moral compass is screwed up though in his defence of Ryan Giggs."
Brought in to talk about his temperament as a footballer. Not sure if that will help him in this court case though as plenty of people react different in private settings.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 20/08/2022 17:15:50    2438140

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Are you a self-appointed authority on moral compass? If Giggs wanted 8 girlfriends, and 8 girlfriends wanted Giggs, I don't see the problem. Moral compass my ass."
If he's married or taken he shouldn't have any other girlfriends but in this ridiculous day and age we live in that's probably an outdated view.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1697 - 21/08/2022 13:15:20    2438167

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Leeds took the piss today. There best result since they beat City with 10 men under Bielsa. New signings look quality as well.

Dec82andahalf (Clare) - Posts: 34 - 21/08/2022 16:52:30    2438185

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Usyk gave Joshua a proper lesson for the second time last night. But will he get a shot against Fury to unify the heavyweight division? Fury seems to be ducking him, going after fellas like Whyte and Chisora, who are way below his level.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 21/08/2022 18:49:36    2438190

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Replying To Gleebo:  "Usyk gave Joshua a proper lesson for the second time last night. But will he get a shot against Fury to unify the heavyweight division? Fury seems to be ducking him, going after fellas like Whyte and Chisora, who are way below his level."
I think Fury will take the fight.

Never felt AJ was deserving of a shot at him so I don't think he could be accused of ducking AJ. He had nothing to gain by fighting Usyk before Usyk had the belts and the AJ rematch was locked in immediately then.

Usyk definitely deserves a shot at Fury tho.
I'd fancy Fury to beat Usyk. AJ is unbelievably slow. Fury isn't.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 21/08/2022 19:28:17    2438197

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Replying To Gleebo:  "Usyk gave Joshua a proper lesson for the second time last night. But will he get a shot against Fury to unify the heavyweight division? Fury seems to be ducking him, going after fellas like Whyte and Chisora, who are way below his level."
Fury would beat Usyk handy enough. His hand speed and movement are just as good as Usyk. He's half a foot taller and has a far bigger reach. Even if Fury was getting out boxed ( which wouldn't happen) he would just lean on Usyk and exhaust him. Fury is the best heavy weight around.

Dec82andahalf (Clare) - Posts: 34 - 21/08/2022 20:04:36    2438201

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Replying To cavanman47:  "I think Fury will take the fight.

Never felt AJ was deserving of a shot at him so I don't think he could be accused of ducking AJ. He had nothing to gain by fighting Usyk before Usyk had the belts and the AJ rematch was locked in immediately then.

Usyk definitely deserves a shot at Fury tho.
I'd fancy Fury to beat Usyk. AJ is unbelievably slow. Fury isn't."
To clarify, I was implying that Fury was ducking Usyk. Why on earth would Fury be pursuing a fight against Chisora? He's already beaten him twice and Chisora is way past his best, similar to Dillian White back in April. Smacks to me of sham defenses against journeymen.

Fury does have a weight and reach advantage over Usyk, who's come up from cruiserweight. But he is a very slick boxer who could pose Fury problems. It seems to be very difficult to land more than one punch on him at a time.

I don't really see a big fight for Joshua unless he takes on Wilder, and even then it has the feel of a busted flush. The big fighters only seem to have one or two bouts per year now, so if Fury fights Usyk, with a possible rematch, you're talking 12-18 months down the track.

The carry-on from Joshua after the fight was also unedifying, I thought.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 21/08/2022 21:01:23    2438204

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Are you a self-appointed authority on moral compass? If Giggs wanted 8 girlfriends, and 8 girlfriends wanted Giggs, I don't see the problem. Moral compass my ass."
If Giggs wanted 8 girlfriends etc it isnt a problem but if you cant see the problem with a lot of what has been reported about Giggs behaviour in this case then its a very sad state of affairs and doesnt say a lot for your attitude towards women.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3494 - 21/08/2022 21:11:05    2438206

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Replying To Gleebo:  "To clarify, I was implying that Fury was ducking Usyk. Why on earth would Fury be pursuing a fight against Chisora? He's already beaten him twice and Chisora is way past his best, similar to Dillian White back in April. Smacks to me of sham defenses against journeymen.

Fury does have a weight and reach advantage over Usyk, who's come up from cruiserweight. But he is a very slick boxer who could pose Fury problems. It seems to be very difficult to land more than one punch on him at a time.

I don't really see a big fight for Joshua unless he takes on Wilder, and even then it has the feel of a busted flush. The big fighters only seem to have one or two bouts per year now, so if Fury fights Usyk, with a possible rematch, you're talking 12-18 months down the track.

The carry-on from Joshua after the fight was also unedifying, I thought."
It was embarrassing, yes. The speech even more embarrassing than the initial storm-off.


As for Fury ducking Usyk. .it wasn't so much ducking him as Fury not needing to go there. He had zero to gain from fighting Usyk, until Usyk become champion. .and Usyk/AJ2 was already locked in then.

Now that it would be the first unification fight in 20 years, I think Fury will take it. And win it.
I don't think he'll offer a rematch. He'll just vacate and retire. Again.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 22/08/2022 11:49:30    2438246

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Replying To cavanman47:  "It was embarrassing, yes. The speech even more embarrassing than the initial storm-off.


As for Fury ducking Usyk. .it wasn't so much ducking him as Fury not needing to go there. He had zero to gain from fighting Usyk, until Usyk become champion. .and Usyk/AJ2 was already locked in then.

Now that it would be the first unification fight in 20 years, I think Fury will take it. And win it.
I don't think he'll offer a rematch. He'll just vacate and retire. Again."
But then why call out journeyman Chisora now, if he's not ducking Usyk? It was obvious that the winner of Saturday's fight was going to come calling on Fury.

And given his history of short-lived retirements, very few people believed this latest announcement, and sure enough, it wasn't genuine.

Don't forget also that Fury could also have fought (and in all likelihood defeated) Joshua last year, but used him as clout for a third fight against Wilder, which no one was interested in seeing.

Hopefully he does take on Usyk in the end, as IMO there's far too much politics in pro boxing which results in the best fighters often not taking each other on, while there are plenty of fights organized that no one wants to see.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 22/08/2022 12:51:18    2438267

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Replying To Gleebo:  "But then why call out journeyman Chisora now, if he's not ducking Usyk? It was obvious that the winner of Saturday's fight was going to come calling on Fury.

And given his history of short-lived retirements, very few people believed this latest announcement, and sure enough, it wasn't genuine.

Don't forget also that Fury could also have fought (and in all likelihood defeated) Joshua last year, but used him as clout for a third fight against Wilder, which no one was interested in seeing.

Hopefully he does take on Usyk in the end, as IMO there's far too much politics in pro boxing which results in the best fighters often not taking each other on, while there are plenty of fights organized that no one wants to see."
They fought a 3rd time because it was in the contract from the 2nd fight.

It's laughable that he'd be ducking Usyk, the fight wouldn't go past the 6th round.

Dec82andahalf (Clare) - Posts: 34 - 22/08/2022 13:16:44    2438271

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Replying To Gleebo:  "But then why call out journeyman Chisora now, if he's not ducking Usyk? It was obvious that the winner of Saturday's fight was going to come calling on Fury.

And given his history of short-lived retirements, very few people believed this latest announcement, and sure enough, it wasn't genuine.

Don't forget also that Fury could also have fought (and in all likelihood defeated) Joshua last year, but used him as clout for a third fight against Wilder, which no one was interested in seeing.

Hopefully he does take on Usyk in the end, as IMO there's far too much politics in pro boxing which results in the best fighters often not taking each other on, while there are plenty of fights organized that no one wants to see."
He used AJ as clout. . .do you not think he's doing the exact same with Chisora?

If AJ had won on Saturday, I don't think he'd be calling out Fury. Hearn has been shielding him from that inevitable beating for years. There'd be an AJ/Usyk 3.

There'll be a Fury/Usyk fight now. I'd be fairly sure of that.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 22/08/2022 13:45:12    2438278

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There have been plenty of reports about what Ryan Giggs has allegedly done or not done. It's up to a jury to decide his fate. In the past year or two there has been a rise in accusations and media reports of assaults on women by professional footballers including one accusation against a very big name. Who knows what's true or spun by media but believing one side of a story or the other doesn't necessarily mean you have strong opinions one way or the other.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 22/08/2022 14:50:05    2438285

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Replying To Dec82andahalf:  "They fought a 3rd time because it was in the contract from the 2nd fight.

It's laughable that he'd be ducking Usyk, the fight wouldn't go past the 6th round."
Which Fury knew about but went deep into negotiations with Matchroom anyway, to the point that a fight date was announced for Joshua, which obviously was cancelled once Fury lost the arbitration ruling. My point being that you can't really trust what Fury says a lot of the time.

As for the sixth round, are you sure about that? Usyk isn't Dillian Whyte or Derek Chisora, the man's an Olympic gold medalist and unbeaten in pro boxing. He also seems to be quite defensively slick and has an iron chin on the rare occasions that he does get hit.

I'm not saying he would beat Fury necessarily but he has the skills to cause him a few problems. Wilder wouldn't be regarded as a fantastic boxer but knocked Fury down four times.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 22/08/2022 14:53:11    2438286

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Replying To cavanman47:  "He used AJ as clout. . .do you not think he's doing the exact same with Chisora?

If AJ had won on Saturday, I don't think he'd be calling out Fury. Hearn has been shielding him from that inevitable beating for years. There'd be an AJ/Usyk 3.

There'll be a Fury/Usyk fight now. I'd be fairly sure of that."
Maybe he's trying to. I don't think Chisora has the same level of clout given that he's lost to almost all of the main guys in the heavyweight division (to Fury twice, AJ once, Usyk once, he even lost to Dillian Whyte) and he'll be 39 in December. It would seem to be a fairly foolish tactic if that's what he's at. Who would buy it? Fury v. Whyte is said to have sold less than 100,000 pay per views in the US, only 40,000 views on ESPN. It wouldn't be much better with Chisora.

Maybe he's after a tune-up fight before setting his sights on Usyk?

On Hearn, you seem to forget that Fury actually signed a contract to fight Joshua in Saudi Arabia last year, only to pull out once he lost his arbitration case against Wilder. So they were down to fight and even had a venue and date, some of the promotion was in swing already. Not that I'd put it past Hearn to protect his golden goose (he looked fairly gutted on Saturday night) but the facts in this case seem to suggest otherwise.

I couldn't imagine many people would buy the pay per view for a Joshua v. Usyk 3, I certainly wouldn't, given how one-sided the previous two fights were. Usyk v. Fury is the only fight that makes sense now.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 22/08/2022 15:16:34    2438290

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Replying To Gleebo:  "Which Fury knew about but went deep into negotiations with Matchroom anyway, to the point that a fight date was announced for Joshua, which obviously was cancelled once Fury lost the arbitration ruling. My point being that you can't really trust what Fury says a lot of the time.

As for the sixth round, are you sure about that? Usyk isn't Dillian Whyte or Derek Chisora, the man's an Olympic gold medalist and unbeaten in pro boxing. He also seems to be quite defensively slick and has an iron chin on the rare occasions that he does get hit.

I'm not saying he would beat Fury necessarily but he has the skills to cause him a few problems. Wilder wouldn't be regarded as a fantastic boxer but knocked Fury down four times."
Usyk is a very good boxer but he doesn't have the power to knock out Fury. Wilder put Fury down but he has the best punch in boxing at present. Usyk hit Joshua with all he has but didn't put him down and Joshua doesn't have a great chin. Remember how Ruiz stopped him in the first fight.

crafty (Galway) - Posts: 249 - 22/08/2022 16:37:54    2438300

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Why oh why is this thread allowed? This is a gaa forum. There are plenty of other forums for to discuss other sports. This is a gaa forum not boxing or soccer or any other sport. Can we not leave this purely gaa or does everything we do have to be infiltrayed by other sports. If you want to discuss boxing, soccer, curling etc go to those forums. Thank you

howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 22/08/2022 18:38:24    2438310

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I hope England don't copy UTD and drop Maguire.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2005 - 22/08/2022 20:25:32    2438316

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Replying To howdareu:  "Why oh why is this thread allowed? This is a gaa forum. There are plenty of other forums for to discuss other sports. This is a gaa forum not boxing or soccer or any other sport. Can we not leave this purely gaa or does everything we do have to be infiltrayed by other sports. If you want to discuss boxing, soccer, curling etc go to those forums. Thank you"
Well, the inter county season is finished and the county forums are gone. People are still discussing GAA in all the other threads. This one here is reasonably active. You don't have to read it if you don't want to.

I was pleased to see some chatting about TV and hiking. For me it adds a bit of depth to the username.

Suas Sios (None) - Posts: 1550 - 23/08/2022 09:33:53    2438330

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