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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Yeah it has been an utter shambles. Now the plan seems to be to sign two lads who have a history of indiscipline - Rabiot & Arnautovic. Crazy stuff.

They would probably need to spend about 500m to overhaul the squad but it isn't as easy as that what with FFP rules. Although when you see the way Barcelona are completely taking the **** with their transfer strategy you'd wonder if these rules actually work at all.

Players who I think Utd could realistically get who would be a big improvement on what they have....

Jude Bellingham
Declan Rice
James Madisson
Leandro Trossard
Pau Torres
Marc Guehi
Wesley Fofana
Conor Gallagher
Federico Chiesa
Alessandro Bastoni

They would need a goalkeeper who is good with his feet too. De Gea is a great stopper but is very suspect under a high ball and he is very awkward in possession."
"Although when you see the way Barcelona are completely taking the **** with their transfer strategy you'd wonder if these rules actually work at all".

Barcelona are selling the family silver and more to finance their transfer deals. OK in the short term, but they won't be the same club in a few years.

Barcelona blocked by La Liga from registering new players before season
La Liga audit says Barça do not have enough money


Barcelona still cannot register their summer signings after La Liga rejected an attempt to use the club's own funds to inflate the value of two of the asset sales they had resorted to in order to balance the books and strengthen their team.

The intention now is to turn to a fourth source of extraordinary income with the sale of a further 25% of their content production company, Barça Studios, for an estimated €100m in the hope that it will allow them to include new arrivals such as Robert Lewandowski, Andreas Christensen and Jules Koundé in the squad for their opening game against Rayo Vallecano on Saturday night.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/aug/08/barcelona-blocked-by-la-liga-from-registering-new-players-before-season

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1941 - 09/08/2022 12:12:39    2436786

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "I know that, but what has it got to do with what I said?"
You're saying the above as though fans should ignore our athletes because of the origins of the competition they're involved in. I don't disagree with you on it being a bit of a 'passed it's peak' competition but boxing is a tough enough sport to earn a living from and any competition is an opportunity to springboard a fighters profile or success. The same fighters draw sweat and blood for Ireland day and daily, should they not receive the same support because they fight under a different flag while competing the exact same way they do at other competitions? Sounds a bit narrow minded to me.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2323 - 09/08/2022 13:15:34    2436804

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Anyone follow the Formula One, lads? Crazy how many points that Ferrari have cost their drivers this year, especially Leclerc. At 80 points behind, Verstappen, he would need to win almost every one of the nine races left and hope that Verstappen suffers some crashes or low finishes, which doesn't look too likely based on current form. It actually seems like Mercedes will get closer to Red Bull in the constructors' championship than Ferrari, something which would have fetched some long odds early in the season.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 09/08/2022 15:05:59    2436830

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "You're saying the above as though fans should ignore our athletes because of the origins of the competition they're involved in. I don't disagree with you on it being a bit of a 'passed it's peak' competition but boxing is a tough enough sport to earn a living from and any competition is an opportunity to springboard a fighters profile or success. The same fighters draw sweat and blood for Ireland day and daily, should they not receive the same support because they fight under a different flag while competing the exact same way they do at other competitions? Sounds a bit narrow minded to me."
"You're saying the above as though fans should ignore our athletes because of the origins of the competition they're involved in"

Nonsense. I never said anything of the sort, stop making things up, and learn how to follow a thread.

I said, these athletes are not representing Ireland at the Commonwealth games. They are representing a small part of the island of Ireland that is controlled and governed by a foreign power. That's it. All your babbling about the individuals and fans is irrelevant.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1941 - 09/08/2022 16:59:30    2436850

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""You're saying the above as though fans should ignore our athletes because of the origins of the competition they're involved in"

Nonsense. I never said anything of the sort, stop making things up, and learn how to follow a thread.

I said, these athletes are not representing Ireland at the Commonwealth games. They are representing a small part of the island of Ireland that is controlled and governed by a foreign power. That's it. All your babbling about the individuals and fans is irrelevant."
Learn how to follow a thread? yeah, pot kettle pal. You responded to the Galway poster who was stating facts about boxers/athletes in INTERNATIONAL COMPETITION, go back and read his post again if you don't believe me.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2323 - 09/08/2022 18:40:19    2436868

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Are there many sports in Commonwealth games where the standard is greater than European level and less than Olympics? Don't say cricket!

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6806 - 09/08/2022 20:56:23    2436884

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Shamrock Rovers run is still going. Guaranteed at least a Conference League place now. No reason with three teirs that a LOI shouldn't be in the group stages every season going forward.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1021 - 10/08/2022 07:33:48    2436888

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Are there many sports in Commonwealth games where the standard is greater than European level and less than Olympics? Don't say cricket!"
I'd say that given the presence of the Australians, that's probably true of several sports, e.g. swimming, hockey, athletics, netball etc. Had a look at the list of sports for Birmingham 2022, it seems like a fairly eclectic batch of games. At the same time there's only 19 disciplines.

https://www.birmingham2022.com/sports

Apparently the cost of the Commonwealth Games has mushroomed and it's future isn't secure beyond the next edition down in Australia.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 10/08/2022 09:53:50    2436906

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Replying To oneoff:  "Shamrock Rovers run is still going. Guaranteed at least a Conference League place now. No reason with three teirs that a LOI shouldn't be in the group stages every season going forward."
Great win for Rovers and a lot of cash on the way as well but I can't help thinking that this European run will cost then in their domestic league but then you can't have it both ways I guess… We'll done to them and let's hope StPats can follow suit….!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1032 - 10/08/2022 10:24:02    2436918

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Rovers are guaranteed to be in Group Stages.

Overall this season.

18 Matches
9 Wins
3 Draws
6 Losses

And we still have another 8 guaranteed matches to further boost the coefficient.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1021 - 13/08/2022 11:05:49    2437255

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United 4-0 down to Brentford.

Could United get relegated this year? They play Liverpool next week and you'd have to think that will be another pumping, which will leave them with zero points from the first three games.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 13/08/2022 19:10:02    2437303

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Replying To oneoff:  "Rovers are guaranteed to be in Group Stages.

Overall this season.

18 Matches
9 Wins
3 Draws
6 Losses

And we still have another 8 guaranteed matches to further boost the coefficient."
Big, big game next Sunday.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5822 - 14/08/2022 10:42:43    2437325

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Replying To Gleebo:  "United 4-0 down to Brentford.

Could United get relegated this year? They play Liverpool next week and you'd have to think that will be another pumping, which will leave them with zero points from the first three games."
I doubt it but I do think they'll finish well off the top 4 again

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 200 - 14/08/2022 11:41:50    2437328

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Replying To Gleebo:  "United 4-0 down to Brentford.

Could United get relegated this year? They play Liverpool next week and you'd have to think that will be another pumping, which will leave them with zero points from the first three games."
Wouldn't be surprised if they got a draw or suffered a narrow defeat. They will raise their game for Liverpool. The Man Utd players though are frauds and are of poor character. Stealing a living they are….

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11020 - 14/08/2022 13:38:32    2437344

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Wouldn't be surprised if they got a draw or suffered a narrow defeat. They will raise their game for Liverpool. The Man Utd players though are frauds and are of poor character. Stealing a living they are…."
I'm not even sure if they will manage that tbh, they took two awful hammerings against Liverpool in the league last year and their attitude collectively stinks.

If you or I turned up to work and displayed as little effort, we'd be sacked or disciplined. None of that side should be getting any wages this week.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 14/08/2022 16:06:30    2437366

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Replying To Gleebo:  "I'm not even sure if they will manage that tbh, they took two awful hammerings against Liverpool in the league last year and their attitude collectively stinks.

If you or I turned up to work and displayed as little effort, we'd be sacked or disciplined. None of that side should be getting any wages this week."
Well said.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5822 - 14/08/2022 17:43:37    2437382

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Wouldn't be surprised if they got a draw or suffered a narrow defeat. They will raise their game for Liverpool. The Man Utd players though are frauds and are of poor character. Stealing a living they are…."
Not a chance they'll turn up, it doesn't matter who they're playing they don't care! Feel sorry for ten hag, club is a shambles from top to bottom

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 508 - 14/08/2022 20:39:49    2437418

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Replying To achara:  "Not a chance they'll turn up, it doesn't matter who they're playing they don't care! Feel sorry for ten hag, club is a shambles from top to bottom"
The old man with the big red nose still has too much to say. When he stepped down as manager he should have been out the door. Look on the bright side , they have Harry Maguire.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1318 - 14/08/2022 21:23:25    2437429

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Replying To Saynothing:  "The old man with the big red nose still has too much to say. When he stepped down as manager he should have been out the door. Look on the bright side , they have Harry Maguire."
Glazers out. Sack the board.

bruffgael (Limerick) - Posts: 31 - 14/08/2022 21:30:12    2437432

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Replying To bruffgael:  "Glazers out. Sack the board."
How would you remove the Glazers, though? There have been protests against them since they took over in 2005, some of which were even violent. They have sailed serenely on as the club has been driven into the ground, and as the largest shareholders, they have the law on their side.

Personally, I think that leveraged buyouts should be illegal, for the simple reason that someone buying an asset should have the funds necessary to purchase said asset in its entirety, rather than purchasing a percentage and using the club's assets to load debt on to it. But that's moot.

In Manchester United's case, the debt remains at much the same level it was back in 2005, despite nigh-on twenty years of it being a highly-profitable concern. The majority stakeholders have paid themselves around a billion sterling in profits, while the team has gone into freefall and the stadium has started to leak water and rust.

The only thing that might persuade the owners to sell up is if the team gets relegated and the fans boycott the games, sponsors and merch, forcing the share price to tank. IMO that is unlikely given how sheep-like many people are.

But even then, there would be a very real threat to United's viability, as the debt will remain the same but the TV money will be grossly reduced.

So no easy way to get rid of them as far as I can tell.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 15/08/2022 10:50:41    2437469

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