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Replying To Past hurler:  "Yes after a nervous and shaky first half from a young Kerry team they were by far the better team.

Kerrys subs made a huge impact also.

You'd imagine Cork will hammer Antrim."
Dry yer eyes.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9818 - 04/06/2022 21:31:54    2422259

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Replying To Glensboy:  "Antrim never headed and win the cup.
Th reaction is , nit good enough, Kerry were the better team, Cork will hammer them etc etc etc.
Give it a rest.
Excuse us if we celebrate our win against a fin, gallant Kerry team."
Fair enough point. I had no preference no way or other than perhaps thinking it would be interesting to see Kerry have a crack again at top level. I suppose most neutrals tend to back the underdog too when they are staging a comeback.

Great game to watch. One of most exciting of the year to date so fair play to both and well done to your boys. And best of luck the next day.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3526 - 05/06/2022 09:09:13    2422289

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How is a player falling over himself a reason to award the free to win a championship??
The Kerry goalkeeper should not start our next match. Goals conceded yesterday were a repeat of what happened in Tralee in the cracking game against Offaly. The number of puck outs then to go out over the sideline, terrible.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8788 - 05/06/2022 09:47:08    2422297

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Replying To legendzxix:  "How is a player falling over himself a reason to award the free to win a championship??
The Kerry goalkeeper should not start our next match. Goals conceded yesterday were a repeat of what happened in Tralee in the cracking game against Offaly. The number of puck outs then to go out over the sideline, terrible."
Not much between teams at this level but Antrim have earned their spurs.
I see what you're saying about the free. I raise you your penalty that wasn't!
See where this goes?
We have had many disappointing days and understand how you feel and best I say nothing about the commentary yesterday. We are used to it.
We will be gracious winners and learn every day we are out.
Good luck for the rest of the season and next.

Glensboy (Antrim) - Posts: 321 - 05/06/2022 16:39:49    2422463

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Replying To legendzxix:  "How is a player falling over himself a reason to award the free to win a championship??
The Kerry goalkeeper should not start our next match. Goals conceded yesterday were a repeat of what happened in Tralee in the cracking game against Offaly. The number of puck outs then to go out over the sideline, terrible."
Agreed it was a very fortunate free we were awarded however we did just about shade the game. We kept the noses in front when it mattered most. A fierce battle between two great teams.

AntrimJim (Antrim) - Posts: 39 - 05/06/2022 18:57:43    2422531

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Replying To Glensboy:  "Not much between teams at this level but Antrim have earned their spurs.
I see what you're saying about the free. I raise you your penalty that wasn't!
See where this goes?
We have had many disappointing days and understand how you feel and best I say nothing about the commentary yesterday. We are used to it.
We will be gracious winners and learn every day we are out.
Good luck for the rest of the season and next."
No doubt there are dubious decisions here and there. A free for guy falling over himself takes the biscuit however. My comments are in anger at the referee. I have no gripe with Antrim at all, whom I wish the best against Cork.
Only Cork and Galway stand between Antrim and a semi-final! Only Wexford and Clare stand between Kerry and a semi-final! 2022 McDonagh counties abú!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8788 - 05/06/2022 19:23:13    2422546

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Replying To legendzxix:  "No doubt there are dubious decisions here and there. A free for guy falling over himself takes the biscuit however. My comments are in anger at the referee. I have no gripe with Antrim at all, whom I wish the best against Cork.
Only Cork and Galway stand between Antrim and a semi-final! Only Wexford and Clare stand between Kerry and a semi-final! 2022 McDonagh counties abú!"
As you rightly say we have a tough path in front of us to make a semi final but we will embrace the challenge. Corrigan is a tough place for counties to come to.

AntrimJim (Antrim) - Posts: 39 - 06/06/2022 08:23:37    2422628

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Replying To legendzxix:  "No doubt there are dubious decisions here and there. A free for guy falling over himself takes the biscuit however. My comments are in anger at the referee. I have no gripe with Antrim at all, whom I wish the best against Cork.
Only Cork and Galway stand between Antrim and a semi-final! Only Wexford and Clare stand between Kerry and a semi-final! 2022 McDonagh counties abú!"
No doubt, Kerry and Antrim are the teams to beat for this year's all Ireland. Cork will go up to Belfast with hope and trepidation,but the odds are stacked against them. Wexford likewise, are up against a rejuvenated Kingdom. Tony Kelly and company are getting closer to Limerick, the gap is closing,and the McDonagh graduates will be chomping at the bit! (Maybe I spent too much time in Belmont Park Ha Ha)

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 06/06/2022 14:06:16    2422781

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Congratulations to Antrim on the win.
Best of luck to both Antrim and Kerry both in the next steps. I believe the introduction of the preliminary All Ireland quarter final was a great idea on the part of the GAA and adds a layer of true legitimacy to the McDonagh. The finalists have a real crack on the biggest stage and at the peak of summer performances.
We saw Laois take Dublin a couple of years back so I imagine Cork will field a full strength team vs Antrim next week.
Depending on which Wexford team shows up, Kerry could be in with a chance, depending on how deeply they drowned their sorrows last weekend.
I look forward to an upset.

35OLT (USA) - Posts: 101 - 07/06/2022 15:17:20    2423083

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Replying To 35OLT:  "Congratulations to Antrim on the win.
Best of luck to both Antrim and Kerry both in the next steps. I believe the introduction of the preliminary All Ireland quarter final was a great idea on the part of the GAA and adds a layer of true legitimacy to the McDonagh. The finalists have a real crack on the biggest stage and at the peak of summer performances.
We saw Laois take Dublin a couple of years back so I imagine Cork will field a full strength team vs Antrim next week.
Depending on which Wexford team shows up, Kerry could be in with a chance, depending on how deeply they drowned their sorrows last weekend.
I look forward to an upset."
Cork will be very wary here, being away in Corrigan Park. I remember Antrim beat Tipp some years ago. It definitely can happen, and Kerry are also at home in Tralee .

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 07/06/2022 18:12:13    2423170

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2016 was the first year Kerry entered the Leinster Qualifier Group, where the top 2 advanced to the Leinster quarter-finals.
2018 was when the Qualifier Group evolved into the McDonagh Cup, where the top 2 advanced to the All-Ireland Preliminary Quarter-finals.
2020 and 2021 saw Kerry make the McDonagh finals, but the Preliminary Quarter-finals were not available due to the pandemic scheduling.
So here we are in 2022. Kerry, through finishing in the top 2, finally get to take on an illustrious opponent. Galway's visit to Tralee in the 2017 league was probably the last high profile visit in league or Championship. Galway would go on to win the All-Ireland that year.
Hopefully Kerry can be reasonably competitive on Saturday. It's a big step up from any challenge in recent years. It's a one off game at home against a quality opponents, that provides an opportunity to learn some valuable lessons. It will be a difficult lesson but a lesson that has to be learned.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8788 - 08/06/2022 08:58:38    2423247

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Replying To Rockies:  "Cork will be very wary here, being away in Corrigan Park. I remember Antrim beat Tipp some years ago. It definitely can happen, and Kerry are also at home in Tralee ."
I don't know anyone around here who are taking Kerry for granted

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15746 - 08/06/2022 09:10:00    2423255

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Replying To Viking66:  "I don't know anyone around here who are taking Kerry for granted"
https://hoganstand.com/Forum/FindPost?MessageID=2422982
It is understandable that Wexford are looking ahead to Clare.
From a Kerry perspective, we joined the Leinster Qualifier Group in 2016. In 2017, a surprise loss to Meath in our opening game scuppered our realistic aim of making a Leinster quarter-final.
After the Leinster Qualifier Group evolved into the McDonagh Cup, in 2020 and 2021 we were denied a preliminary quarter-final due to the pandemic scheduling. After 7 years, we finally have a big game against an illustrious opponent. It'll be a tough lesson for sure but one we need to learn from.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8788 - 08/06/2022 10:07:06    2423272

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Replying To legendzxix:  "https://hoganstand.com/Forum/FindPost?MessageID=2422982
It is understandable that Wexford are looking ahead to Clare.
From a Kerry perspective, we joined the Leinster Qualifier Group in 2016. In 2017, a surprise loss to Meath in our opening game scuppered our realistic aim of making a Leinster quarter-final.
After the Leinster Qualifier Group evolved into the McDonagh Cup, in 2020 and 2021 we were denied a preliminary quarter-final due to the pandemic scheduling. After 7 years, we finally have a big game against an illustrious opponent. It'll be a tough lesson for sure but one we need to learn from."
I'm hoping to bring the kids over. While we are favourites I'm not expecting us to win handy. We usually make things hard for us.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15746 - 08/06/2022 13:11:44    2423337

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The 1 week turnaround from McDonagh final to preliminary quarter-final is harsh. Provincial finalists are guaranteed at least 2 weeks.
I accept it is a difficult one. Pairing the McDonagh final with the Leinster final gives it a good TV platform.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8788 - 12/06/2022 12:46:51    2424175

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The 1 week turnaround from McDonagh final to preliminary quarter-final is harsh. Provincial finalists are guaranteed at least 2 weeks.
I accept it is a difficult one. Pairing the McDonagh final with the Leinster final gives it a good TV platform."
Is there a big gap between the provincial championships, and the JoeMcDonagh finalists? Big wins for Wexford, and Cork yesterday

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 12/06/2022 21:20:37    2424398

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Replying To thelongridge:  "Is there a big gap between the provincial championships, and the JoeMcDonagh finalists? Big wins for Wexford, and Cork yesterday"
I'd say both games would have been closer if there had of been a 2 week break for the Joe Mac finalists. Also in any given year they have to play 2 counties who are in goodish form to qualify for AI series from the round robin in the 1st place. Both Cork and Wexford were coming off good wins and had a 3 week break. Had they been playing any of the bottom 5 teams in the round robins maybe they would have done better.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15746 - 13/06/2022 07:05:20    2424417

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Replying To thelongridge:  "Is there a big gap between the provincial championships, and the JoeMcDonagh finalists? Big wins for Wexford, and Cork yesterday"
There's a gap between the third teams in the provincial championships and the Macdonagh cup.

But it would have been interesting to have seen Antrim v Tipp or Wexford v Leix.

Thought Antrim played well but the panels of the stronger teams makes it difficult in the last 20 minutes.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1536 - 13/06/2022 09:20:17    2424441

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Replying To Viking66:  "I'd say both games would have been closer if there had of been a 2 week break for the Joe Mac finalists. Also in any given year they have to play 2 counties who are in goodish form to qualify for AI series from the round robin in the 1st place. Both Cork and Wexford were coming off good wins and had a 3 week break. Had they been playing any of the bottom 5 teams in the round robins maybe they would have done better."
Had Cork or Wexford or anyone of the "top tier" teams been asked to play a week after a provisional final they would refuse and the GAA would just accept it without question.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1625 - 13/06/2022 09:52:45    2424464

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The Ring final was played on May 21. The final weekend of the provincial round robin. The Ring, Rackard and Meager were played off in super fast fashion however. The Ring, Rackard and Meager started the week after the league finals. The Ring, Rackard and Meager finalists only had a week of preparation.
McDonagh, Ring, Rackard and Meager should start at least 2 weeks after the league finals. The 4 finals could then be played on the weekend before the provincial finals. The McDonagh finalists then would have 2 weeks to prepare for the All-Ireland Preliminary Quarter-finals. For their most difficult match of the year, it would only be fair.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8788 - 13/06/2022 09:56:27    2424466

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