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This playoff between Garrycastle and Shamrocks in the junior tonight is very strange. Athlone giving Shamrocks a walk off has effected Garrycastle. If that game had gone ahead Shamrocks would have had to beat Athlone by 12 points to get a head if Garrycastle. Garrycastle can feel hard done by because now they have to play a play-off game four days out from playing a Q/F. While Athlone get no punishment. They should kicked out of the Championship. Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 560 - 06/09/2022 10:00:53 2439822 Link
Replying To Temple56: "This playoff between Garrycastle and Shamrocks in the junior tonight is very strange. Athlone giving Shamrocks a walk off has effected Garrycastle. If that game had gone ahead Shamrocks would have had to beat Athlone by 12 points to get a head if Garrycastle. Garrycastle can feel hard done by because now they have to play a play-off game four days out from playing a Q/F. While Athlone get no punishment. They should kicked out of the Championship." Well Garrycastle can't field tonight anyway it seems jamsie (Westmeath) - Posts: 474 - 06/09/2022 17:39:48 2439861 Link
Replying To Temple56: "This playoff between Garrycastle and Shamrocks in the junior tonight is very strange. Athlone giving Shamrocks a walk off has effected Garrycastle. If that game had gone ahead Shamrocks would have had to beat Athlone by 12 points to get a head if Garrycastle. Garrycastle can feel hard done by because now they have to play a play-off game four days out from playing a Q/F. While Athlone get no punishment. They should kicked out of the Championship." I am sure every club entered the competition with genuine interest but this kind of stuff sticks in the craw of the real Junior clubs. Take Ballinagore as an example, they are trying their best with limited numbers and would do anything for their club. Any walkovers should immediately eliminate you from any chance of winning the competition at the absolute minimum. I would go further though and say any club that does this goes straight into a relegation playoff Darragh (Westmeath) - Posts: 340 - 06/09/2022 19:53:15 2439879 Link
Id imagine Athlone knew exactly what they were at by giving Shamrocks a walkover-a lot of bad blood/history between Athlone and Garrycastle so id guess they were only to happy to stick one on them.But no punishment for Athlone so they are happy.Not in the right spirit of the game tho. Bruno@1 (Westmeath) - Posts: 267 - 06/09/2022 21:18:42 2439886 Link
Replying To Temple56: "This playoff between Garrycastle and Shamrocks in the junior tonight is very strange. Athlone giving Shamrocks a walk off has effected Garrycastle. If that game had gone ahead Shamrocks would have had to beat Athlone by 12 points to get a head if Garrycastle. Garrycastle can feel hard done by because now they have to play a play-off game four days out from playing a Q/F. While Athlone get no punishment. They should kicked out of the Championship." Garrycastle didn't field tonight ! Westmeath213 (Westmeath) - Posts: 338 - 06/09/2022 22:05:11 2439887 Link
Replying To Temple56: "This playoff between Garrycastle and Shamrocks in the junior tonight is very strange. Athlone giving Shamrocks a walk off has effected Garrycastle. If that game had gone ahead Shamrocks would have had to beat Athlone by 12 points to get a head if Garrycastle. Garrycastle can feel hard done by because now they have to play a play-off game four days out from playing a Q/F. While Athlone get no punishment. They should kicked out of the Championship." Garrycastle conceded the game ,couldnt field Thechick (Westmeath) - Posts: 271 - 07/09/2022 08:11:16 2439890 Link
Replying To Temple56: "This playoff between Garrycastle and Shamrocks in the junior tonight is very strange. Athlone giving Shamrocks a walk off has effected Garrycastle. If that game had gone ahead Shamrocks would have had to beat Athlone by 12 points to get a head if Garrycastle. Garrycastle can feel hard done by because now they have to play a play-off game four days out from playing a Q/F. While Athlone get no punishment. They should kicked out of the Championship." Follow up on this: Garrycastle informed county board yesterday afternoon that they would not be fulfilling this fixture. They seemed to be unhappy with how the county board handle the situation. They were told very late last week that they would have to play a playoff Monday/Tuesday next week. From what I heard they feel they shouldn't have to play the play-off because they deserved 2nd place. They feel if Athlone played Shamrocks in the last game it was very unlikely looking at previous results that Shamrocks would beat Athlone by 12+ points. The game was then fixed for Tuesday evening in Lomans Astro Turf. Garrycastle then declined to play on the Astro as they were fearful that players might pick up injury's that could make them miss the Q/F four days later. They told CB they would play in another pitch in the county but not the Astro in Lomans. The CB then asked Kinnegad, Athlone and Tubberclair to hold the fixture and they all declined as teams were training and using the lights. Garrycastle will play St josephs in the park on Saturday Shamrocks will play Bun in ballymore on Saturday IMO this has put a massive dent in the Junior Championship. Again I cant believe that Athlone have not been punished and are still in the Championship. Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 560 - 07/09/2022 09:36:18 2439898 Link
Replying To Westmeath213: "Garrycastle didn't field tonight !" Garrycastle all over the place this year. Writing was on the wall when the senior manager walk and they left the other fella stay on as manager. sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1218 - 07/09/2022 11:30:56 2439909 Link
Replying To Temple56: "This playoff between Garrycastle and Shamrocks in the junior tonight is very strange. Athlone giving Shamrocks a walk off has effected Garrycastle. If that game had gone ahead Shamrocks would have had to beat Athlone by 12 points to get a head if Garrycastle. Garrycastle can feel hard done by because now they have to play a play-off game four days out from playing a Q/F. While Athlone get no punishment. They should kicked out of the Championship." Agreed. When teams give walkovers, whether it be League or Championship Round Robin games, it destroys the tables and messes everything up, like I said before Athlone did the exact same thing hours before their last Div 4 game by simply not travelling and simply giving the opposition a walk over, they're using the rule book to their advantage at the expense of other sides !!! CCC said Athlones last walkover was 'not in the spirit of the game' but there was nothing they could do about it unless Lomans (or Killucan) put in an objection to the Leinster Council . . . which they didn't. KooCullen (Westmeath) - Posts: 82 - 07/09/2022 11:34:55 2439913 Link
Think it's two walkovers that's needed to be eliminated, imagine that will be addressed at county convention. Separately, how can anyone say Garrycastle were all over the place this year? They beat Shamrocks, lost to Caulry by 1, Loman's by 4 but match hinged on a late goal chance missed by GC and Loman's scored late goal immediately, they dominated vs Kinnegad but beaten by a point and then lost narrowly to The Downs. They easily could have had 5/6 points, their score difference over 5 matches was -7, they also lost their best forward Alex Gardiner after 2 matches. Caulry scored a very late free to eliminate them in final round. Hard to say they were all over the place based on those facts. Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2260 - 07/09/2022 12:39:10 2439921 Link
CCC has some decisions to make now. The walkovers are making a mockery of a competition that the 4 Junior clubs still left in it would give anything to win. Someone is going to be unhappy with the outcome whatever happens anyway but there needs to be a lesson learnt when a team gives a walkover Darragh (Westmeath) - Posts: 340 - 07/09/2022 16:13:59 2439953 Link
The carry on in the Junior in the last two weeks has been nothing short of a farce. Athlone should have been eliminated as soon as they conceded their game against Shamrocks. The only ones who suffered from them conceding were Shamrocks and Garrycastle, albeit the game didn't go ahead. This then left Joes and Bun preparing for a quarter final a few days away, not knowing who they were playing. westmeathman99 (Westmeath) - Posts: 129 - 07/09/2022 18:01:32 2439961 Link
Few wild statements there folks: Garrycastle all over the place ?? They only have themselves to blame for the senior management debacle - putting 2 boys together like that is always risky - both were used to being the head honcho. Maybe they were trying to replicate the Dolan / Keane approach but it obviously didn't work out. But as already mentioned, despite missing Alex Gardiner, only for Caulry's late late draw Garrycastle would have made quarter finals. Massive dent in the championship ? come on. This messing will not impact or take away from the main contenders in Multy, Bun & Josephs. CCC some decisions to make ?? Don't think so. Based on what ? In relation to the play off, I think it was required because with the walkover, they had to look at the result between the 2 tied teams. As Shamrocks and Garrycastle drew 3-8 apiece, they couldn't be separated on head to head or scoring difference. So the junior 1 quarter finals are now: Garrycastle v St Joseph's Athlone v Multy St Paul's v The Downs Shamrocks v Bunbrosna The Downs are the only second string side that have a chance of winning in my opinion. I expect big wins for Joey's and Multy and Shamrocks will give Bun a game. BigSur (Westmeath) - Posts: 1186 - 07/09/2022 18:24:44 2439964 Link
This was well flagged by the Junior clubs previously and now it's coming to pass. It's lucky the senior and junior teams weren't mixed together or it would be a complete farce Jack_Sparrow (Westmeath) - Posts: 1046 - 07/09/2022 19:56:09 2439974 Link
Replying To westmeathman99: "The carry on in the Junior in the last two weeks has been nothing short of a farce. Athlone should have been eliminated as soon as they conceded their game against Shamrocks. The only ones who suffered from them conceding were Shamrocks and Garrycastle, albeit the game didn't go ahead. This then left Joes and Bun preparing for a quarter final a few days away, not knowing who they were playing." just shows some senior second teams don't really care about the junior championship they should be put out of it and play their own championship like a senior 2. fireplace69 (Westmeath) - Posts: 23 - 07/09/2022 21:15:26 2439979 Link
Loman's and Killucan fulfilled all their fixtures but are not in knockout stages, in future one walkover should mean elimination. Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2260 - 08/09/2022 10:16:18 2440003 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "Think it's two walkovers that's needed to be eliminated, imagine that will be addressed at county convention. Separately, how can anyone say Garrycastle were all over the place this year? They beat Shamrocks, lost to Caulry by 1, Loman's by 4 but match hinged on a late goal chance missed by GC and Loman's scored late goal immediately, they dominated vs Kinnegad but beaten by a point and then lost narrowly to The Downs. They easily could have had 5/6 points, their score difference over 5 matches was -7, they also lost their best forward Alex Gardiner after 2 matches. Caulry scored a very late free to eliminate them in final round. Hard to say they were all over the place based on those facts." Unfortunately, for a team who was in the county final last year, that is a team all over the place if they can't win tight matches like that. It looks ok to everyone to list out those results and say hard luck to anyone who doesn't know what Garrycastle are capable of, but they are championship contenders all day long. For them not to make the quarter final of the championship is a team that is all over the place. The good teams win those tight games, or do what they have to do to get out of the group.. there are no excuses at this level. They'll be back, but this year was a far cry from what they're capable of. All over the place. Edman78 (Westmeath) - Posts: 100 - 08/09/2022 11:07:16 2440007 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "Think it's two walkovers that's needed to be eliminated, imagine that will be addressed at county convention. Separately, how can anyone say Garrycastle were all over the place this year? They beat Shamrocks, lost to Caulry by 1, Loman's by 4 but match hinged on a late goal chance missed by GC and Loman's scored late goal immediately, they dominated vs Kinnegad but beaten by a point and then lost narrowly to The Downs. They easily could have had 5/6 points, their score difference over 5 matches was -7, they also lost their best forward Alex Gardiner after 2 matches. Caulry scored a very late free to eliminate them in final round. Hard to say they were all over the place based on those facts." Your obviously a Garrycastle fan Thechick (Westmeath) - Posts: 271 - 08/09/2022 11:28:32 2440008 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "Multiple changes in every round hasn't happened. That's a fact. Poster named one change in each round, hardly multiple changes. A club looks for a change to accommodate a wedding and county board agreed to facilitate club and players, board is damned if they do and damned if they don't. If the fixture organisation is so straightforward get your club to nominate you at next club meeting, Brendan Shaw would be thrilled to get assistance, might reduce his voluntary workload from 25 hours per week to a more manageable 15." Another change this weekend, Shamrocks vs Bun moved from 5pm to 3pm. westmeathman99 (Westmeath) - Posts: 129 - 08/09/2022 12:41:07 2440018 Link
Hardly matters what my club is Chick, I'm a one clubman, not everyone here can say the same. Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2260 - 08/09/2022 15:25:55 2440048 Link