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Replying To iarmhiabu: "Wait I thought St Loman's had the junior already won?? Kinnegad so close to shocking The Downs. The Downs got home by the width of their whiskers. Niall Mitchell was non existent but it shows they can win games without him too. I fancy them to beat St Loman's in the final." Look back at my prediction. I tipped CFCW and never mentioned them winning it at all. No complaints here, better team won. Lomans aren't in the senior final yet either.
Bluelake (Westmeath) - Posts: 119 - 28/09/2024 20:08:23
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Replying To Claretandblue: "Some turnaround by Moate in the three weeks since they were well beaten by Shandonagh in the championship round robin. Deserved winners this evening although Shandonagh staged a late comeback with a flurry of points in the closing minutes. Moate played far more attacking football than usual and got their reward. Shandonagh corner back suffered a serious injury and game was delayed for fifteen mins. Hopefully he's recovering. Disappointing end to Shandonagh's year although their performances all year have been average at best." Hopefully Cathal Craig is alright, has had awful luck in his career with injuries.
Bluelake (Westmeath) - Posts: 119 - 28/09/2024 20:11:23
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Kinnegad shocking The Downs? The bookies had this game evenly priced, hardly a shock if Kinnegad had won, possibly deserved to, dominated last 20 minutes but they just don't score goals.
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1832 - 28/09/2024 20:16:23
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Replying To iarmhiabu: "Wait I thought St Loman's had the junior already won?? Kinnegad so close to shocking The Downs. The Downs got home by the width of their whiskers. Niall Mitchell was non existent but it shows they can win games without him too. I fancy them to beat St Loman's in the final." Wouldnt have been a shock if Kinnegad had won. There is never anything between The Downs and Kinnegad on any given day. Mitchell was well held by the Kinnegad full back but still had good moments. Kinnegad will feel they left it behind them but goals win matches.
A_Chairde (Westmeath) - Posts: 221 - 28/09/2024 20:30:06
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Replying To iarmhiabu: "Wait I thought St Loman's had the junior already won?? Kinnegad so close to shocking The Downs. The Downs got home by the width of their whiskers. Niall Mitchell was non existent but it shows they can win games without him too. I fancy them to beat St Loman's in the final." I couldn't agree more. Thought the hype around the Loman's junior team was way over the top. They are a good team don't get me wrong, but I don't even think they are as good as they were last year.
The lads on the podcast had given that Lomans junior team the the championship since July… they've gotten more air time than the rest of the clubs have got combined.
westmeathman99 (Westmeath) - Posts: 114 - 28/09/2024 20:42:32
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Replying To PowellJohn3: "A bit off topic but watching games this year one thing really stood out for me and i know people will be cribbing and crying about this, but the standard of refereeing is not up to scratch and i am not blaming the refs here, blaming the training and structure. We have about 2-3 good refs in the county, some dont know the rules, some arent strong enough to run a game, some have too much to say, some are unfit, League games lads are ended up in hospital on a weekly basis. When you go down the divisions you would wonder how the insurance covers it.
Seems like a referees report is unchangeable/unchallenged, are the refs being audited in the county? and are games been recorded and refs been pulled up on decisions?
Players are now training at a very high level 5 days a week 3 pitch sessions and 2-3 gym sessions from January until hopefully October and then on the biggest game of there year a ref is poor, doesnt seem fair. Managers and selectors also putting a lot of time into a team and trying to leave no stone unturned.
Were all allowed to make mistakes its only human and without refs we dont have a game but the county board should assist the refs in every means possible in training, Audits, video reviews, case studies ETC.
What is the current practice for refs in the county? I am sure they are sick of players and managers giving out." Referees being audited. What do you mean by that?
We are no different than any other county. Having been at and watched games down through the years, I would even argue we have a higher standard of officiating.
The problem is when you "pull up" a referee based on "decisions" what happens when there is no one else to referee a match? These are volunteers in short supply. There are some bad ones no more than anything else but for the most part they try their best. Go to any match as a neutral and listen to the abuse shouted in from supporters or management. Most have never read a rule book to begin with.
Your comment about players training at a very high level may be true but what benefit is it doing. The standard of football at this years championship has been poor.
To your last point, I agree but as far as I know they receive assessments and do training nights a few times a year.
Comment from another poster about free gear for new refs is nonsensical. Who in their right mind is a. going to be on the receiving end of abuse just for an item or two of gear or b. Wear a luminous top that says reiteoir anywhere outside a football/hurling field.
Westmeath2024 (Westmeath) - Posts: 2 - 28/09/2024 20:50:41
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Replying To Westmeath2024: "Referees being audited. What do you mean by that?
We are no different than any other county. Having been at and watched games down through the years, I would even argue we have a higher standard of officiating.
The problem is when you "pull up" a referee based on "decisions" what happens when there is no one else to referee a match? These are volunteers in short supply. There are some bad ones no more than anything else but for the most part they try their best. Go to any match as a neutral and listen to the abuse shouted in from supporters or management. Most have never read a rule book to begin with.
Your comment about players training at a very high level may be true but what benefit is it doing. The standard of football at this years championship has been poor.
To your last point, I agree but as far as I know they receive assessments and do training nights a few times a year.
Comment from another poster about free gear for new refs is nonsensical. Who in their right mind is a. going to be on the receiving end of abuse just for an item or two of gear or b. Wear a luminous top that says reiteoir anywhere outside a football/hurling field." Well said
Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 457 - 28/09/2024 21:13:46
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Replying To LoughLeneKing: " Replying To Highball_Lowball: "Good post there CleanShoulder.
Unfortunately I think the result of this appeal will be to the detriment of juvenile footballers in the years ahead. The second teams are entered into the lower divisions to give games to players who train just as hard as everyone else in the panel but due to the competitive nature of championships higher up the divisions might not get rewarded with as much game time as the first 15. We will probably be looking at 15-17 subs togging out next year for some of these clubs and that only leads to one thing at these age grades, player drop out.
Also I must defend the minor board on this one, I believe they attended the hearing and tried to fight the appeal but ultimately were informed that the appeal had succeeded. It is a slap in the face for them after their efforts over the last number of years to grow player numbers. I guess the club who appealed were able to use the influence of their members on the county board to get the game they lost fairly and squarely replayed. Don't get me wrong if a club plays a named player in their second team they should be punished, as happened to a rather large club last year, but this is not the case here. Its not very sporting and I know many of the members of the appealing club are unhappy with the unsporting nature of the appeal.
Anyway, not much can be done about it at this stage. I agree with the previous poster "Ludicrous stuff" is appropriate." Did you say the county board attended an appeal and tried to "fight it"? Fight an appeal where they broke the rules.... and as indicated in other comments they were made aware of this situation before hand and still continued with the rule breaking??? ... now that's very concerning happenings.... the most important thing here is the integrity of the game and this was obviously compromised greatly in this case.... Will sanctions be imposed on the perpetrators?"
Highball_Lowball (Westmeath) - Posts: 3 - 28/09/2024 21:30:10
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Replying To Westmeath2024: "Referees being audited. What do you mean by that?
We are no different than any other county. Having been at and watched games down through the years, I would even argue we have a higher standard of officiating.
The problem is when you "pull up" a referee based on "decisions" what happens when there is no one else to referee a match? These are volunteers in short supply. There are some bad ones no more than anything else but for the most part they try their best. Go to any match as a neutral and listen to the abuse shouted in from supporters or management. Most have never read a rule book to begin with.
Your comment about players training at a very high level may be true but what benefit is it doing. The standard of football at this years championship has been poor.
To your last point, I agree but as far as I know they receive assessments and do training nights a few times a year.
Comment from another poster about free gear for new refs is nonsensical. Who in their right mind is a. going to be on the receiving end of abuse just for an item or two of gear or b. Wear a luminous top that says reiteoir anywhere outside a football/hurling field." Referees from adjacent clubs should not be accepted. Get referees from neighbour counties to officiate .
Is it too much up ask that referees know what the rules are?
ExiledCuCu (Cavan) - Posts: 235 - 28/09/2024 21:31:45
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Not sure about Loman's being overhyped and I'm one of the posters here who thought they'd win the Junior championship. They won Div 3 of the league and that's a fine achievement, no junior club near Division 2 in league, they also won their six championship matches so far with six points being lowest margin and they've lost only 1-2 players to their senior set up. Apparently they were well beaten today, only four points in end but Loman's supporters in the park tonight said they couldn't compete in the second half. Finea were unlucky to be relegated last year and will be favourites in the final.
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1832 - 28/09/2024 21:31:46
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