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Replying To LockLeanGayl:  "I'd be against change for change sake…

But I feel the sentiment on the ground is that a new voice is needed…

A lot of people around the set up have been there for a long time

Eddie Casey. Johnny Greville. Keith Quinn.

Lads who have given savage service. But it all feels a bit stale in there is the word back…

A change of personnel will bring a new energy you'd feel"
Is Keith Quinn a selector? I think if Fortune stayed on he could come back with a new approach and energy and change things.

stonemadbeany (USA) - Posts: 548 - 21/05/2024 09:42:30    2546058

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "A change of personnel? Joe Fortune is two or three years only managing Westmeath, surely the idea of a change is nonsense, Brian Logan is five years in Clare, We're always making excuses,"
Brian Lohan changed his whole management team at the end of last season

Sean Tracey and James Moran gone, replaced by Brendan Bugler and Tommy Corbett

Adrian O'Brien the S&C gone, replaced with Lukas the lad who had Tipp and Galway flying previously

Ferguson lasted so long at United because he constantly rotated coaches and backroom staff

We have the same lads involved for years just with the same felah in the Bainisteoir bib

So either Joe stays and clears out the backroom, or they all go

Either way it needs to be freshened up

LockLeanGayl (Westmeath) - Posts: 175 - 21/05/2024 13:47:51    2546150

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Replying To stonemadbeany:  "Is Keith Quinn a selector? I think if Fortune stayed on he could come back with a new approach and energy and change things."
Chief bottle washer, has the ears of some important people

LockLeanGayl (Westmeath) - Posts: 175 - 21/05/2024 13:48:19    2546151

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Just listened to Fortune's interview after the Meath game. I have to respect his passion for Westmeath hurling and his acceptance of how things have gone this year. He said some of the stuff written online (forum) etc isn't fair, stating that a lot has gone against them throughout the year and they've been unluckly etc.
I don't think anyone doubts the management and players efforts one bit, everyone on here is entitled to their opinion and I didn't see anyone putting down individuals etc we just expected more from a talented group of players. If Fortune stays on for another year he is well capable of driving things on and hopefully will get a good commitment from younger and experienced players and keep an eye out for additions in the club championship. If not then he has given great service. I have always enjoyed his passionate interviews and clearly cares a good deal about Westmeath hurling.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 835 - 21/05/2024 19:31:19    2546244

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Pretty obvious fitness levels are not what's required at inter county level, not sure changing selectors will make any difference in that regard, name the new selectors who will make appreciable change in mindset, attitude etc.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1543 - 21/05/2024 19:53:43    2546248

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Pretty obvious fitness levels are not what's required at inter county level, not sure changing selectors will make any difference in that regard, name the new selectors who will make appreciable change in mindset, attitude etc."
Not sure either but whatever management is in place will have to get those players into the required state or failing that show them the door for there is no place in modern inter county hurling for unfit players no matter how skilful.
Thats the simple reality Westmeath face.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1497 - 22/05/2024 07:07:20    2546275

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Pretty obvious fitness levels are not what's required at inter county level, not sure changing selectors will make any difference in that regard, name the new selectors who will make appreciable change in mindset, attitude etc."
It's scandalous what's going on I was at my local club to watch a game I got start time wrong arrived 45 mins early. The two teams were out warming up for it.That warming up was hitting the ball back and forth between two players for at least 25/30 mins and then play the match.
No running, stretching or drills or f all else I couldn't believe it. It's all weights these young lads want now that's grand but if ya can't run you're at nothing.
Any Westmeath manager is already on the back foot if the senior teams aren't fit enough.

2maroonjerseys (Galway) - Posts: 46 - 22/05/2024 08:47:39    2546293

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Replying To 2maroonjerseys:  "It's scandalous what's going on I was at my local club to watch a game I got start time wrong arrived 45 mins early. The two teams were out warming up for it.That warming up was hitting the ball back and forth between two players for at least 25/30 mins and then play the match.
No running, stretching or drills or f all else I couldn't believe it. It's all weights these young lads want now that's grand but if ya can't run you're at nothing.
Any Westmeath manager is already on the back foot if the senior teams aren't fit enough."
What level was that at?

There isn't a senior team in the county warming up like that let's not get ridiculous now

I agree with previous poster, nobody is slating individuals here we should just be performing better than we are

LockLeanGayl (Westmeath) - Posts: 175 - 22/05/2024 21:30:06    2546497

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Replying To LockLeanGayl:  "What level was that at?

There isn't a senior team in the county warming up like that let's not get ridiculous now

I agree with previous poster, nobody is slating individuals here we should just be performing better than we are"
From the 9th of may

2maroonjerseys (Galway) - Posts: 46 - 23/05/2024 08:40:25    2546509

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Replying To 2maroonjerseys:  "From the 9th of may"
In Galway or Westmeath...?

stonemadbeany (USA) - Posts: 548 - 23/05/2024 10:27:35    2546524

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Replying To 2maroonjerseys:  "From the 9th of may"
What level? Are you genuinely saying that Raharney, Clonkill, Castletown, Pollard, Lough Lene Gaels or Plunketts warmed up for a senior game like that?

Spoof

LockLeanGayl (Westmeath) - Posts: 175 - 23/05/2024 10:49:36    2546531

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Replying To LockLeanGayl:  "What level? Are you genuinely saying that Raharney, Clonkill, Castletown, Pollard, Lough Lene Gaels or Plunketts warmed up for a senior game like that?

Spoof"
Yeah I agree, silly statement. I've never seen that at any of those games, even senior B clubs.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 835 - 23/05/2024 11:07:23    2546543

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Replying To stonemadbeany:  "In Galway or Westmeath...?"
Westmeath and not a spoof I was there.

2maroonjerseys (Galway) - Posts: 46 - 23/05/2024 11:32:11    2546552

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What are the thoughts on the side we should play vs Laois? My view is that it's an ideal opportunity to blood some of the squad players in a championship match that's not likely to be played too intensely, the likes of Adam Ennis, Mark Cunningham, Jamie Mulkerrins, Rian Holding and other younger players need exposure at this level with a view to stepping up next year, there's nothing to be gained by beating a less than full strength Laois with our first team, the team management may view things differently especially if he'and his Dublin based selectors are likely not to be in charge next year as increasingly seems likely, they will want to end his tenure with a win over the McDonagh cup finalists and boost their CV, Like our footballers our hurlers will need to start changing the squad in the next few months as we have a number of experienced players nearing the end of their inter county careers, Cormac and Joey Boyle, Aonghus Clarke, Robbie Greville, Noel Conaty, Aaron Craig and others have given great service but some of the above only committed late on this year and in some cases injuries are beginning to hamper them.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1543 - 23/05/2024 11:55:04    2546558

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Replying To 2maroonjerseys:  "Westmeath and not a spoof I was there."
What team? I'd say all clubs in the county, at all adult grades are better than that, and if not they need a change of trainer/manager quickly.

stonemadbeany (USA) - Posts: 548 - 23/05/2024 12:31:58    2546568

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Replying To stonemadbeany:  "What team? I'd say all clubs in the county, at all adult grades are better than that, and if not they need a change of trainer/manager quickly."
I'll not name here, I know what I saw and I'll stand well over it. That's all I'll say on the matter.

2maroonjerseys (Galway) - Posts: 46 - 23/05/2024 12:56:17    2546577

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "What are the thoughts on the side we should play vs Laois? My view is that it's an ideal opportunity to blood some of the squad players in a championship match that's not likely to be played too intensely, the likes of Adam Ennis, Mark Cunningham, Jamie Mulkerrins, Rian Holding and other younger players need exposure at this level with a view to stepping up next year, there's nothing to be gained by beating a less than full strength Laois with our first team, the team management may view things differently especially if he'and his Dublin based selectors are likely not to be in charge next year as increasingly seems likely, they will want to end his tenure with a win over the McDonagh cup finalists and boost their CV, Like our footballers our hurlers will need to start changing the squad in the next few months as we have a number of experienced players nearing the end of their inter county careers, Cormac and Joey Boyle, Aonghus Clarke, Robbie Greville, Noel Conaty, Aaron Craig and others have given great service but some of the above only committed late on this year and in some cases injuries are beginning to hamper them."
1. Jamie Mulkearns
2. Conor Gaffney
3. Tommy Doyle
4. Adam Ennis
5. Rhian Holding
6. Aonghus Clarke
7. Robbie Greville
8. Peter Clarke
9. Micheal Daly
10. Mark Cunningham
11. Killian Doyle
12. Niall Mitchell
13. David Williams
14. Darragh Clinton
15. David O'Reilly

Maybe something like that vs Laois. 7 players under the age of 22 starting.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 835 - 23/05/2024 13:18:33    2546585

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "What are the thoughts on the side we should play vs Laois? My view is that it's an ideal opportunity to blood some of the squad players in a championship match that's not likely to be played too intensely, the likes of Adam Ennis, Mark Cunningham, Jamie Mulkerrins, Rian Holding and other younger players need exposure at this level with a view to stepping up next year, there's nothing to be gained by beating a less than full strength Laois with our first team, the team management may view things differently especially if he'and his Dublin based selectors are likely not to be in charge next year as increasingly seems likely, they will want to end his tenure with a win over the McDonagh cup finalists and boost their CV, Like our footballers our hurlers will need to start changing the squad in the next few months as we have a number of experienced players nearing the end of their inter county careers, Cormac and Joey Boyle, Aonghus Clarke, Robbie Greville, Noel Conaty, Aaron Craig and others have given great service but some of the above only committed late on this year and in some cases injuries are beginning to hamper them."
In 2019 Laois were already qualified and played a pretty full strength team against Westmeath in Portlaoise I remember

But they had clearly trained through the game… so be interesting to see what opposition is out

If it is Joe's last game, he has earned the right to put out a strong team and finish on a high.

Inter county management is thankless and he has given good service to the county whatever people might want to say…

I'll be going along to wish him the best anyway if it does turn out to be his last game

LockLeanGayl (Westmeath) - Posts: 175 - 23/05/2024 13:18:51    2546586

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Replying To LockLeanGayl:  "In 2019 Laois were already qualified and played a pretty full strength team against Westmeath in Portlaoise I remember

But they had clearly trained through the game… so be interesting to see what opposition is out

If it is Joe's last game, he has earned the right to put out a strong team and finish on a high.

Inter county management is thankless and he has given good service to the county whatever people might want to say…

I'll be going along to wish him the best anyway if it does turn out to be his last game"
I totally agree Joe Fortune and his team have given Westmeath good service.They put their heart and soul into it but inter county hurling is a cruel place to be and every county "expects"
I would be surprised if he stays on as this year has been a tough slog.Like yourself I will thank Joe and his team for their work.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1497 - 23/05/2024 14:44:56    2546611

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Alternatively if the management team has the long term best interests of Westmeath hurling as their priority then playing some players with an eye to the future should be encouraged, we're well aware of what certain players can do and undoubtedly there's a staleness to our starting line up in 11-12 positions but it's beyond any argument that we need to freshen up the starting team for the future, Mark Cunningham has left the panel apparently and he's a committed decent hurler that any future manager would be looking to use, he got very limited game time this year. The lads I mentioned like Ennis, Holding, etc may not make a huge impression on Saturday but it's an ideal opportunity to try them. Winning against an under strength Laois won't mean much.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1543 - 23/05/2024 16:21:51    2546641

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