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Replying To sponger:  "Wicklowsupport, my son plays senior in Kildare and you are right.

It is like comparing apples and oranges. Bad oranges in our case."
I reckon that if Wicklow applied some constructive thinking to their current problems they would find solutions. LIke improve the structures in the county, improved the level of organisation in relation to things such as marketing, promoting, scheduling games properly and running our affairs in a more efficient and effective manner. Most of these things don't cost a fortune and the county's affairs would improve immeasurably. It does require leadership and being clear about what we want to achieve but in the long run you will get people to buy in. It isn't rocket science but like everything it requires effort and focus. I think i wrote a similar post last year and it seems nothing is changing; maybe i need a new soap box.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1701 - 19/07/2022 19:15:34    2433010

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Wexford and Westmeath both run their championships in group stages with 6 teams in each group. They've a load of games to get through before they even get to knockout stages. Our football is straight knockout with once chance in the backdoor before QF and our hurling only has 6 teams. Why would we have started them in July, we'd have our county champs sitting around for weeks waiting for Leinster championship. Lads playing senior club actually got a bit of certainty for once and could take holidays in July.

Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 571 - 20/07/2022 16:43:56    2433209

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Replying To Victorious87:  "Wexford and Westmeath both run their championships in group stages with 6 teams in each group. They've a load of games to get through before they even get to knockout stages. Our football is straight knockout with once chance in the backdoor before QF and our hurling only has 6 teams. Why would we have started them in July, we'd have our county champs sitting around for weeks waiting for Leinster championship. Lads playing senior club actually got a bit of certainty for once and could take holidays in July."
Disagree with this. Club players want to play championship football in the summer. Right now , most clubs have finished their league schedules for a good few weeks now. So , especially down in Junior & intermediate grades, you have a scenario where you played your last league games in June and may have to wait around until into Aug or possibly even Sept before you get into Championship. Two months of training for the sake of training is tough going , maybe the odd challenge match thrown in. Much better to have a few weeks gap and then straight into championship.

Also given how we have had multiple scenarios over the years of our club champions having to go out and play the first round of the Leinster Championship the day after winning the county final , i'm sure all clubs would welcome having a couple of weeks to let the celebrations play out and be able to regroup to have decent cut off Leinster.

Hawkeye2 (Wicklow) - Posts: 90 - 20/07/2022 17:51:12    2433232

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Replying To Victorious87:  "Wexford and Westmeath both run their championships in group stages with 6 teams in each group. They've a load of games to get through before they even get to knockout stages. Our football is straight knockout with once chance in the backdoor before QF and our hurling only has 6 teams. Why would we have started them in July, we'd have our county champs sitting around for weeks waiting for Leinster championship. Lads playing senior club actually got a bit of certainty for once and could take holidays in July."
A question: are clubs and players in Wicklow content to play less games? I would have thought with the split season that the best format to play in the summer months would be groups which leads to knock-out stages. In my opinion the best way for players and teams to improve is to play more competitive games as oppose to what Wicklow does which is to play less.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1701 - 20/07/2022 21:50:54    2433258

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "A question: are clubs and players in Wicklow content to play less games? I would have thought with the split season that the best format to play in the summer months would be groups which leads to knock-out stages. In my opinion the best way for players and teams to improve is to play more competitive games as oppose to what Wicklow does which is to play less."
I'm with Hawkeye and Wicklow support on this. I haven't been speaking to anyone who is in favour of the way this season is playing out.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 21/07/2022 13:58:40    2433369

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all the other counties have supporters club wicklow are the only ones who have none . any ideas about latest on wicklow managers

lor12 (Wicklow) - Posts: 230 - 21/07/2022 15:08:18    2433394

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Replying To lor12:  "all the other counties have supporters club wicklow are the only ones who have none . any ideas about latest on wicklow managers"
Lo12 it is impossible to find any info on the process never mind a potential manager. Not sure if there is a closing date or if it is club nominations? The last effort to find a manager, no one knew anything until colin kelly was unveiled. It is hard to know at this stage who it may be as there are a number of counties looking for a manager. How would you sell wicklow to a potential manager: spend very little on team preparation. No ambition to win provinical title. Tailteann cup run maybe and if we can get to division 3 great!!! Beyond that we're not too ambitious. On this basis we aren't an attraction proposition if you assess the runners and riders.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1701 - 21/07/2022 18:31:06    2433448

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "A question: are clubs and players in Wicklow content to play less games? I would have thought with the split season that the best format to play in the summer months would be groups which leads to knock-out stages. In my opinion the best way for players and teams to improve is to play more competitive games as oppose to what Wicklow does which is to play less."
That's how it was done in the football about 3/4 years ago. I don't think there's enough referees in the county to sustain that amount of games for such a sustained period.

Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 571 - 21/07/2022 20:08:57    2433461

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Replying To Hawkeye2:  "Disagree with this. Club players want to play championship football in the summer. Right now , most clubs have finished their league schedules for a good few weeks now. So , especially down in Junior & intermediate grades, you have a scenario where you played your last league games in June and may have to wait around until into Aug or possibly even Sept before you get into Championship. Two months of training for the sake of training is tough going , maybe the odd challenge match thrown in. Much better to have a few weeks gap and then straight into championship.

Also given how we have had multiple scenarios over the years of our club champions having to go out and play the first round of the Leinster Championship the day after winning the county final , i'm sure all clubs would welcome having a couple of weeks to let the celebrations play out and be able to regroup to have decent cut off Leinster."
Most league semi finals and finals were played a couple of weekends ago. Any senior club worth their salt would be asking for this 4/5 week gap to get to championship intensity and play good challenge games with all their county players back. I also think it's fair enough not to have championship games on the weekends of All Ireland finals in hurling and football.

Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 571 - 21/07/2022 20:11:15    2433463

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We could learn a lot from the LGFA. I see lots of juvenile league finals coverage in the paper. My son plays u13 football and hurling. They don't even have league finals!

liam500 (Wicklow) - Posts: 146 - 21/07/2022 20:47:36    2433465

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Replying To lor12:  "all the other counties have supporters club wicklow are the only ones who have none . any ideas about latest on wicklow managers"
I have heard nothing on managers and neither has anybody I have asked. I don't know what format the interview process will take. Last time a panel was formed to interview the candidates or applicants. Other that seeing the vacancies put up on Twitter a few weeks back, that is the sum total of my knowledge. I wouldn't imagine there will be too many looking for the positions, I could be and hope I am wrong. I had hoped somebody might be in place before the championships got underway but that hardly seems likely now. I thought that Twitter was an odd way to advertise the positions as we are not exactly the jewel in the crown as regards being a prominent inter county team. I just can't see anybody who valued their reputation applying. Should a panel not have been put together in order that suitable candidates might be invited to apply. I wonder are we not going about this the wrong way. Surely a committee set up to examine where we are and decide where we want to be in say 5 years , then invite suitable targeted individuals to explain their vision of how they would try to get us there. Or would this make too much sense ? Everything else has failed and failed miserably.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 21/07/2022 21:08:41    2433466

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Replying To Freethinker:  "I have heard nothing on managers and neither has anybody I have asked. I don't know what format the interview process will take. Last time a panel was formed to interview the candidates or applicants. Other that seeing the vacancies put up on Twitter a few weeks back, that is the sum total of my knowledge. I wouldn't imagine there will be too many looking for the positions, I could be and hope I am wrong. I had hoped somebody might be in place before the championships got underway but that hardly seems likely now. I thought that Twitter was an odd way to advertise the positions as we are not exactly the jewel in the crown as regards being a prominent inter county team. I just can't see anybody who valued their reputation applying. Should a panel not have been put together in order that suitable candidates might be invited to apply. I wonder are we not going about this the wrong way. Surely a committee set up to examine where we are and decide where we want to be in say 5 years , then invite suitable targeted individuals to explain their vision of how they would try to get us there. Or would this make too much sense ? Everything else has failed and failed miserably."
Freethinker as you say i would think best practice is to decide what you want to achieve in short and medium term, allocate resources to it and then recruit the best fit aimed at what you are trying to achieve. In my opinion and i have no inside information: Davy Burke was a goid choice a couple of years back as he has a reputation of developing young players and getting results. That is what i think we need and he seem to achieve this in the time he was here. Now i would imagine, knowing him that he looked for extra resources to push on and get to division 2 so that he could have his team in the sam maguire comp. He wasn't interested in the tailteann cup. Again i am only envisaging but i would think the county board said no more resources, our future is the tailteann cup and cutting our cloth to suit. And so Davy departed. It seems to me that people on here would be with Davy's vision but the powers that by what a more limited vision and i would think clubs support what we have otherwise they wouldn't comply. Is this why supporters have stopped supporting: a lack of ambition? Will it change? I don't envisage so. An internal management team is what i envisage but i dob't have a name.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1701 - 22/07/2022 11:41:17    2433507

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You assume that most people agree with "Davy's vision" that you just completely fabricated in your head? Are you saying that you think most people should think like you?

Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 571 - 22/07/2022 17:39:34    2433606

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Replying To Victorious87:  "You assume that most people agree with "Davy's vision" that you just completely fabricated in your head? Are you saying that you think most people should think like you?"
I didn't ask anyone to agree with me.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1701 - 23/07/2022 13:40:15    2433690

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brian cody as wicklow manager wat u think

lor12 (Wicklow) - Posts: 230 - 23/07/2022 15:13:37    2433725

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Replying To lor12:  "brian cody as wicklow manager wat u think"
I would imagine that Brian will try to enjoy his retirement. Maybe a club team in Kilkenny might keep his hand in and mind occupied but managing Wicklow ? No, I don't think that masochism is one of his failings.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 23/07/2022 19:59:50    2433805

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "I didn't ask anyone to agree with me."
No you "envisaged" everyone on the site would agree with your fictional scenario.

Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 571 - 24/07/2022 08:08:27    2433833

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Replying To lor12:  "brian cody as wicklow manager wat u think"
Yes and if the county board don't get him then they are surely showing their lack of ambition…

Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 571 - 24/07/2022 08:09:08    2433834

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Replying To Victorious87:  "No you "envisaged" everyone on the site would agree with your fictional scenario."
You need to start making sense for once in your life as oppose to having a go at people. My point if you take the time to read it and stop to think before commenting is that supporters of football in wicklow want the powers that be in the county to attract a manager to take the county footballers forward instead the county board are unwilling to show that ambition. Who suffers? The supporters and the players. That's my point. Personally i don't care if you or anyone else agree with my point or not. If you have an alternate opinion then post it and let us hear it. My guess is that you don't have one and are just trying to intimidate others.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1701 - 24/07/2022 10:21:09    2433844

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "You need to start making sense for once in your life as oppose to having a go at people. My point if you take the time to read it and stop to think before commenting is that supporters of football in wicklow want the powers that be in the county to attract a manager to take the county footballers forward instead the county board are unwilling to show that ambition. Who suffers? The supporters and the players. That's my point. Personally i don't care if you or anyone else agree with my point or not. If you have an alternate opinion then post it and let us hear it. My guess is that you don't have one and are just trying to intimidate others."
I agree with one point you have made. Wicklow gaa supporters want our county board to go out and get the best available manager to us. I don't personally care what it costs because the financial resources are in this county if the right person is appointed.

roseyinthegarden (Wicklow) - Posts: 81 - 24/07/2022 22:01:04    2434081

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