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Replying To liam500:  "Weird thing is that there are lots of reports of inter county ladies games from u14 up. The boys development squads play matches every couple of weeks and nothing in the paper about it. Not even a photo."
Had noticed that too. I think I mentioned and complimented the local paper in my post about the coverage given to the ladies games. Senior football and hurling seem to be the main victims. Maybe it's just a reflection of the general malaise that seems to be setting in and around our senior mens teams. In my innocence, this is where I would think our county board should be proactive in pushing and promoting every aspect of all our games. Why are we not seeing this issue being raised by our delegates at board meetings.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 12/07/2022 10:28:42    2431591

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The Wicklow People, like all local papers are on struggling. Andrew Ryan would have done a lot of the sports writing for them but he's working for the Sun now. They more or less rely on managers of teams or club PROs to send them photos and match reports. They're usually pretty good once championship roles around in fairness. Wicklow People Sport used to be brilliant on Facebook and used to get loads of interaction, was a real shame when they stopped updating that.

Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 571 - 12/07/2022 21:26:55    2431773

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Replying To Victorious87:  "The Wicklow People, like all local papers are on struggling. Andrew Ryan would have done a lot of the sports writing for them but he's working for the Sun now. They more or less rely on managers of teams or club PROs to send them photos and match reports. They're usually pretty good once championship roles around in fairness. Wicklow People Sport used to be brilliant on Facebook and used to get loads of interaction, was a real shame when they stopped updating that."
There definitely is an opening for a sports podcast in Wicklow. Why some entrepreneurial young lad doesn't take it on board, I don't know. Anyway back to more mundane matters but are there any rumours as to the potential candidates for manager .

roseyinthegarden (Wicklow) - Posts: 81 - 13/07/2022 09:55:16    2431787

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Couple of observation from the league finals namely divisions 1 and 2. It was very disappointing to see such one sided competitions especially from eire og. Why are two of the most populate towns; bray and greystones finding it so hard to be competitive in the county? On the flipside it is goid to see an tochar returning to the top division after such a long time in the wilderness.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1701 - 13/07/2022 12:17:29    2431831

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "Couple of observation from the league finals namely divisions 1 and 2. It was very disappointing to see such one sided competitions especially from eire og. Why are two of the most populate towns; bray and greystones finding it so hard to be competitive in the county? On the flipside it is goid to see an tochar returning to the top division after such a long time in the wilderness."
I'm afraid that with the notable exception of Pats, our seaside towns have always struggled to make an impact at senior level. In fairness to AGB, they are putting in tremendous efforts. This upcoming championship should be interesting. I was chatting with a few guys who are familiar with An Tochair and they say that the nucleus of the team is very young and inexperienced and might struggle to stay up in senior ranks. I presume it will be 1B that they will be playing in next year. That will be a much better division in which to be learning what senior football is all about. It would be good if they can retain their senior status this year as they will only improve from playing in the senior competition. God knows the county could badly do with their players and the promising younger players sprinkled throughout the county, maturing so that they can display their talents at inter county in the near future. From what I hear, many clubs are nurturing a few potentially brilliant youngsters.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 13/07/2022 14:18:43    2431881

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Replying To roseyinthegarden:  "There definitely is an opening for a sports podcast in Wicklow. Why some entrepreneurial young lad doesn't take it on board, I don't know. Anyway back to more mundane matters but are there any rumours as to the potential candidates for manager ."
There was one a couple of years ago. I don't know what happened, they seemed to just stop out of nowhere. I actually think East Coast FM are a disgrace in terms of their coverage of sports within the county. They're a local radio station yet they offer absolutely nothing in terms of local sport. They have the Sunday evening show but the lads who did that were doing so on a volunteer basis.

Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 571 - 13/07/2022 15:38:27    2431901

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Replying To Freethinker:  "I'm afraid that with the notable exception of Pats, our seaside towns have always struggled to make an impact at senior level. In fairness to AGB, they are putting in tremendous efforts. This upcoming championship should be interesting. I was chatting with a few guys who are familiar with An Tochair and they say that the nucleus of the team is very young and inexperienced and might struggle to stay up in senior ranks. I presume it will be 1B that they will be playing in next year. That will be a much better division in which to be learning what senior football is all about. It would be good if they can retain their senior status this year as they will only improve from playing in the senior competition. God knows the county could badly do with their players and the promising younger players sprinkled throughout the county, maturing so that they can display their talents at inter county in the near future. From what I hear, many clubs are nurturing a few potentially brilliant youngsters."
I think this year's championship is wide open. For me St Pats and Baltinglass are worthy favourites but after these two I think its anyone's. I know Blessington are county champions but think we might see a different outcome this year. Between injuries and players going away I just think there is something different this year. In relation to the Intermediate I think its EIre Ogs to lose although they found it hard going against St Pats. Junior A a dogfight Between Laragh and Ashford.

roseyinthegarden (Wicklow) - Posts: 81 - 13/07/2022 16:13:16    2431914

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Replying To Victorious87:  "There was one a couple of years ago. I don't know what happened, they seemed to just stop out of nowhere. I actually think East Coast FM are a disgrace in terms of their coverage of sports within the county. They're a local radio station yet they offer absolutely nothing in terms of local sport. They have the Sunday evening show but the lads who did that were doing so on a volunteer basis."
I think that East Coast, who sell themselves as Wicklow's local radio are more aimed at the north Wicklow, South county Dublin marketing area. They have only ever paid lip service to sports of any kind in Co Wicklow. Any coverage they ever did of club or inter county matches was grudging at best. When you compare them to Carlow/Kildare, Wexford or indeed any of the other local stations they are not even on the scale. I think they are competing with the myriad of other exclusively music stations aimed at younger listeners particularly at weekends. Local affairs get a great coverage by Des Meehan weekdays but after that it's music mostly. As someone else pointed out, surely there are a few entrepreneurial types who could grab this obviously open market. Then again, maybe the market isn't there.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 14/07/2022 09:44:55    2431975

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i dont agree what is being wrote on this forum . the lack of supporters going to matches is a big issue for me. if i played for wicklow i would be put off by that . there should be a supporters club set up and there should be buy in .

lor12 (Wicklow) - Posts: 230 - 14/07/2022 18:18:45    2432120

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Replying To roseyinthegarden:  "I think this year's championship is wide open. For me St Pats and Baltinglass are worthy favourites but after these two I think its anyone's. I know Blessington are county champions but think we might see a different outcome this year. Between injuries and players going away I just think there is something different this year. In relation to the Intermediate I think its EIre Ogs to lose although they found it hard going against St Pats. Junior A a dogfight Between Laragh and Ashford."
I saw a couple of Baltinglass games in the league and they were impressive. Pats seemed to have blitzed everyone in the league this year. They will be hard bet. I haven't heard much about Blessington, have they lost a lot of players? An Tochar are my dark horses for this year.

Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 571 - 15/07/2022 09:00:00    2432143

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Replying To lor12:  "i dont agree what is being wrote on this forum . the lack of supporters going to matches is a big issue for me. if i played for wicklow i would be put off by that . there should be a supporters club set up and there should be buy in ."
lor12, in the past I would have agreed with your statement but I have reconsidered and I think supporters deserting is to be expected and should be something that the county board take notice of and respond accordingly. People following Wicklow GAA deserve better than they are getting but instead of responding accordingly and in a progressive way, the powers that be in the county are choosing to remain stuck in a bygone era. A lot of supporters of the county footballers drifted away from supporting the county after the Micko era as they believed that the county was going to return to the doldrums and that the county board\powers that be would be happy to do so. These supporters have been proven right. You can't take peoples support for granted in any context these days even politics but there seems to be this misguided concept in Wicklow that you can serve up any old gross and people will turn up out of loyalty. Again this is a bygone era and it is the reason why supporters are deserting the county teams in their droves. The one part of your message that I agree with is that the county board should call peoples bluff and setup a supporters club outlining that the funds raised will be pooled and ploughed into making the county teams better with stated goals for where the county wants to go in the future and how these funds will be used. Will the county board do this? I wouldn't hold my breath. Without ambition there is no future which is what is staring Wicklow intercounty teams and their supporters plus the county board in the face. Everyone knows this but the the county board are ignoring it.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1701 - 15/07/2022 19:57:40    2432283

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Replying To lor12:  "i dont agree what is being wrote on this forum . the lack of supporters going to matches is a big issue for me. if i played for wicklow i would be put off by that . there should be a supporters club set up and there should be buy in ."
1or12. People can't be forced to go watch substandard fare. It's as simple as that. When and if the standard and winning capability of our team/s improves, the supporters will return. That is guaranteed. It is the way of human nature, always has been and always will be. No point on criticising posters on here, we are trying to galvanise people to take a hand in forcing change in our games from the top down. And not being very successful, I might add.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 16/07/2022 14:35:13    2432352

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no one can say anything , that is the problem with wicklow gaa lack of support , everyone knows it the majority of people support dublin

lor12 (Wicklow) - Posts: 230 - 16/07/2022 15:13:11    2432355

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Replying To lor12:  "no one can say anything , that is the problem with wicklow gaa lack of support , everyone knows it the majority of people support dublin"
I'm not sure what you are alluding to but i saw lots and lots of young and not so young people wearing wicklow jerseys during Micko's time and it was great to see. I remember being at an o'byrne cup match in aughrim in january and there was a couple of thousand people there. Where did all that momentum go? The powers that be have to build momentum through bringing through young players which i think we may be starting to do but equally go get in an ambitious manager and back him. You need to back his vision and invest in a way to make a breakthrough and to sustain it; as a county this doesn't appear to be what we are doing. Wicklow supporters including me would love to have a team to get behind, not one that takes a step forward and two steps back.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1701 - 16/07/2022 16:21:26    2432362

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Replying To lor12:  "no one can say anything , that is the problem with wicklow gaa lack of support , everyone knows it the majority of people support dublin"
1or12. There was a documentary made a few years back for RTE and repeated last week. Bernard Brogan was going through the Dublin setup. He interviewed his dad who was part of Heffos Army. Brogan Senior said that before Heffo, NO PLAYERS wanted to play for Dublin as they were winning nothing and there was NOBODY following them. Winning changed all that. The Gaelic Games supporters are not like soccer supporters who will follow their team no matter what. As Wicklowsupport pointed out, when Micko took over everyone bought in, first out of curiosity and then because the team were winning. When that minor team under Kevin O'Brien went on that winning streak a few years back the supporters turned out. If our county board could get off their collective arses and do what they are elected to do, which is drive our games forward no matter what the cost and effort, things will improve. There is plenty of money and goodwill in this county towards our games but nobody is going to buy money into a basket case. It has to be seen to be being spent wisely and is showing results. That should be the aim of our leadership but sadly it has never happened. As someone pointed out previously - failing to prepare is preparing to fail.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 16/07/2022 18:44:36    2432386

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Replying To Freethinker:  "1or12. There was a documentary made a few years back for RTE and repeated last week. Bernard Brogan was going through the Dublin setup. He interviewed his dad who was part of Heffos Army. Brogan Senior said that before Heffo, NO PLAYERS wanted to play for Dublin as they were winning nothing and there was NOBODY following them. Winning changed all that. The Gaelic Games supporters are not like soccer supporters who will follow their team no matter what. As Wicklowsupport pointed out, when Micko took over everyone bought in, first out of curiosity and then because the team were winning. When that minor team under Kevin O'Brien went on that winning streak a few years back the supporters turned out. If our county board could get off their collective arses and do what they are elected to do, which is drive our games forward no matter what the cost and effort, things will improve. There is plenty of money and goodwill in this county towards our games but nobody is going to buy money into a basket case. It has to be seen to be being spent wisely and is showing results. That should be the aim of our leadership but sadly it has never happened. As someone pointed out previously - failing to prepare is preparing to fail."
And 1 or 12, just because I don't agree with you about why the supporters are not turning up doesn't mean that I don't respect your opinions. I do and I welcome seeing other peoples opinions on here. Remember, I am just expressing mine. Please keep yours coming and I only wish more loyal fans like you would get on here. If we can start a debate within the county about how to go forward, maybe, just maybe we could see things start to change.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 16/07/2022 20:52:39    2432404

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On a related note. We were beaten by Offaly in the Tailteann Cup on 29th May, The hurlers were finished earlier than that. It's now the second half of July and we only got the Senior Hurling Championship moving last weekend. Does anyone even know when the Senior Football Championship starts? What the hell are we at.

Wexford are three or four rounds deep into their Senior hurling and they were contesting AI Quarter Finals. Westmeath only won the Tailteann cup last week and played their Senior Football Championship opener this weekend gone.

Hawkeye2 (Wicklow) - Posts: 90 - 18/07/2022 16:21:28    2432774

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Replying To Hawkeye2:  "On a related note. We were beaten by Offaly in the Tailteann Cup on 29th May, The hurlers were finished earlier than that. It's now the second half of July and we only got the Senior Hurling Championship moving last weekend. Does anyone even know when the Senior Football Championship starts? What the hell are we at.

Wexford are three or four rounds deep into their Senior hurling and they were contesting AI Quarter Finals. Westmeath only won the Tailteann cup last week and played their Senior Football Championship opener this weekend gone."
Fair play to you Hawkeye for pointing out a glaring own goal in our internal games programme. I was looking through the fixtures today ti see when the football gets underway and I think that Tochair and Avondale are out on Saturday week. I got fed up scrolling then before I found out any more. What's the betting that we will be struggling to get the championships finished in October? Some things never change, particularly in Wicklow. Ideally, our new managers should be in place to check out the form of different players. You would get even longer odds on that happening.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 607 - 18/07/2022 19:09:39    2432810

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Replying To Freethinker:  "Fair play to you Hawkeye for pointing out a glaring own goal in our internal games programme. I was looking through the fixtures today ti see when the football gets underway and I think that Tochair and Avondale are out on Saturday week. I got fed up scrolling then before I found out any more. What's the betting that we will be struggling to get the championships finished in October? Some things never change, particularly in Wicklow. Ideally, our new managers should be in place to check out the form of different players. You would get even longer odds on that happening."
It is impossible to find out any details in relation to the football championship in wicklow. I would invite anyone on twitter to check out kildare gaa's account. The football chsmpionship started locally last weekend - junior, intermediate and senior. All matches were played on a staggered basis starting on friday night through to sunday evening. Captain of each club were invite to the launch of their competition, fixtures were published, scores were update online as well as on local radio. It was very well planning and was great. I attended some senior matches myself.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1701 - 19/07/2022 13:36:40    2432930

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "It is impossible to find out any details in relation to the football championship in wicklow. I would invite anyone on twitter to check out kildare gaa's account. The football chsmpionship started locally last weekend - junior, intermediate and senior. All matches were played on a staggered basis starting on friday night through to sunday evening. Captain of each club were invite to the launch of their competition, fixtures were published, scores were update online as well as on local radio. It was very well planning and was great. I attended some senior matches myself."
Wicklowsupport, my son plays senior in Kildare and you are right.

It is like comparing apples and oranges. Bad oranges in our case.

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2796 - 19/07/2022 15:31:12    2432963

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