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Have you no parish rule in Carlow?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20673 - 10/09/2026 14:22:51 2693414 Link 0 |
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Did I say it would be compulsory? I said it should be an option. That's all. Nobody is forcing them.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 1146 - 10/09/2026 15:34:36 2693425 Link 0 |
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Them are the breaks. It's still a lot fairer than giving bigger clubs an advantage against smaller clubs. However, if we had separate reserve competitions for 2nd and 3rd teams, that would be another story. What about six senior clubs, six intermediate and eight Junior A, with no second teams allowed? CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 1146 - 10/09/2026 15:37:06 2693426 Link 0 |
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That's nothing to do with Carlow Gaa. It's up to clubs and to deal with that issue. It would definitely be abused in the early stages of the championship anyway
Collio (Carlow) - Posts: 149 - 10/09/2026 16:36:02 2693442 Link 0 |
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very good relegation last night. MLR were the stronger team overall and deserved the win. Some score to win it Dualclub1 (Carlow) - Posts: 310 - 10/09/2026 17:08:38 2693451 Link 0 |
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Just happened to browse in here like I do from time to time and want to point out that it's not actually a case of "nothing to do with Carlow GAA". They could do something about if they wanted to. For instance, here in Wexford, clubs play five group games in both hurling and football championships, and after Round 3 of the group games, they can apply to regrade up to three players. So if you get a few minutes of a run with your Seniors sometime in the first three games, it doesn't necessarily stop you from going back to play Junior later in the year. And the regradings are subject to the approval of the CCC, rather than being automatically granted. So for example, after Round 3, if your Juniors have their next fixture before your Seniors do, you can't just regrade your three best Senior players to give your Juniors an unfair advantage. CCC would say "hold on now, they're key Senior players for you. You can't be dropping them down to your second team". But they would be likely to approve the regrading of a fringe player who maybe only started one of the three matches, or who just came on as a sub in one or two of them. Anyway - no reason Carlow GAA couldn't develop a similar system to work there, if they wanted to do it. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 4022 - 10/09/2026 23:45:36 2693484 Link 0 |
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Thanks Pikeman - not saying any of the things I said previously are the right system but our current rules on grading of players are very harsh. St Mullins had to play a bunch of intermediates in their first game or two of the hurling championship and ended up withdrawing, MLR, Bagenalstown, Naomh Eoin all had players too that were taken from their intermediate team and got little game time thereafter. In Kilkenny, the group stage is treated as league so players can play both until they play knockout championship. In reality, games are close together so it's rare that lads will play full games in both Senior and Junior championship on the one weekend. ACarlowGael (Carlow) - Posts: 60 - 11/09/2026 10:21:35 2693494 Link 0 |
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I honestly don't know what your current regrading rules are, and would have to look at your bye-laws to find out. But the point is, something could indeed be done about it at local level. Any club could bring a motion to your Convention to seek a "better" method. However, am conscious that with a relatively small number of clubs in Carlow, and the Management Committee of your County Board obviously having the same number of seats and votes as every other county, that it's far harder for the clubs to push through any change there if Management Committee doesn't want it. Particularly if you need a 60% or two-thirds majority to change an existing bye-law. The clubs would want to be well represented at Convention and be near unanimous in it! Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 4022 - 11/09/2026 12:05:38 2693508 Link 0 |
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I didn't say there was nothing they could do, I said it was nothing to do with them. It's a club issue. My club would actually majority benifit if the rules were to change, for example they're in the junior A relegation final at the minute, they almost certainly wouldn't be if they were able to regrade players mid season. I don't think it would be a popular idea to strengthen teams 2nd and 3rd teams when you see there are people here actually aren't happy with their inclusion at all and would prefer them in a championship of their own.
Collio (Carlow) - Posts: 149 - 11/09/2026 12:36:58 2693512 Link 0 |
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I think the ability to regrade mid season would be a massive benefit. So many years we got picked apart for lads playing a minute or two and for a third team we suddenly only have the bare 15, pulling lads who haven't played all year and just getting stuffed. Can also happen some lads get regraded and then get pulled up to play despite being surplus to requirements at the start of the year so it should be up to the coaches to manage a panel. It's not just strengthening 2nd 3rd teams but if lads are training wll year and get completely undone due to a few injuries and lads had to be called upon, you're punishing a panel of players who trained all year just to be screwed over. CarlowJuniorB (Clare) - Posts: 217 - 11/09/2026 13:28:11 2693521 Link 0 |
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I can't see a reserve championship working in Carlow. Junior B and Junior C are essentially reserve championships. The teams in Intermediate and Junior A (Eire Og B, Eire Og C, Palatine B and Rathvilly B) would be much too strong for the teams currently playing in Junior B and Junior C. ACarlowGael (Carlow) - Posts: 60 - 11/09/2026 14:08:17 2693527 Link 0 |
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Well, I interpreted your "nothing to do with Carlow GAA" as meaning "there's nothing they can do about it", as in rules are rules, and the general player grading rules are set out in the overall Rule Book. Was just pointing out that counties can make bye-laws to operate differently as well. But just to emphasise that it's not about strengthening second and third teams. It's about giving fringe players a temporary opportunity to show if they're good enough for the higher grade, and then if they're not, that you don't punish them by making them sit out the entirety of the remainder of the lower grade too. There's a 21-year-old lad living next door to me who played Junior hurling with my club last year and the year before. This year, he lined out with our Senior team for some League matches earlier in the year, and did fairly well. Senior manager wondered if he could step up to Senior championship and so put him on for about ten minutes in both our second and third Senior championship match. Didn't use him in the first Senior match so that he could at least have the first Junior Championship match under his belt. Poor chap struggled badly on both occasions in the Senior Championship and it was clear he wouldn't be getting a third chance. Regrading allowed us to put him back down to Junior and his "natural" level there. But it didn't make our Junior team any stronger than it was at the start of the championship anyway. Without regrading, he'd have been finished for the year after that second substitute appearance with the Seniors, or alternatively, wouldn't have been given a chance with the Seniors at all, in order to "save" him for the Juniors all along. But with it, he got his chance at a higher level, was then able to come back to play two more matches at his own level, and we're through to the knockouts there so hopefully more than one extra match to come for him as well. I don't mean to tell you the lad's whole life story but am throwing it out there as an example of how it actually works, and the benefits of it. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 4022 - 11/09/2026 14:30:01 2693529 Link 0 |