Replying To Onion Breath:  "Yeah no way could we do what we're doing this year I'd there's a 7 team SHC so something has to give. Even as it is with a 6 team championship meaning 5 matches and 5 also from an 8 team football championship it's too much. It means dual players are playing 10 group matches before even a quarter final is played.

As mentioned above maybe we should just go with 8 teams also in the SHC. I'd be concerned there could be a lot of one sided games but the structure would be far better. In SHC and SFC have 2 groups of 4 so every team plays 3 group matches in hurling and football so dual players have 6 matches over July and August, not 10 as at present. All the more reason to do this is if Joe Mc spreads out into early July then assuming we'll be at the business end of it the pressure is going to get even worse trying to keep both competitions going and not kill dual players altogether.

So whatever happens I think we'd all agree the current system this year has to change somehow for next year. Whether we do what Carps says and go back to the complete split season or not either way we still need to reduce the number of games for dual players."

Replying To Collio:  "I don't agree, nothing wrong with the new system."

Replying To CarlowJuniorB:  "The current system is fine but needs to be adjusted. There are too many games is all.

Even in each code there's probably too many games, look around at other top counties like Kilkenny, cork, Limerick, Tipperary and Clare. They all have 12-16 teams and mostly play 3 group games and 3 knockout games. Limerick do play 5 group games so a slight outlier.

More games doesn't equal better standard. Match standards slip because match intensity has a kick on to training standards. Then who ever plays dual is getting flogged with this. The system just needs to be tweaked is all."

Replying To Collio:  "I understand what you're saying, but I think players want more games, particularly because our leagues are a waste of time. Old format could have you playing 4 important games in a year, who wants that?"

Replying To more4me:  "I agree with coolio here, players want to play, they take games over training any day of the week. but if you wanted less games what could be done here for duals is lower the amount of hurling games, keep senior at 6 teams, cant see why it should be more as after team 4 the others are a fair bit off(people will come saying about NB winning at the weekend but was their first in 30 odd senior games), then have two groups of three, top goes to semi, other two go to quarter, losers of quarters go to relegation. 4 or 5 games in it to win it and give jeopardy for teams at the bottom to keep going."

Replying To more4me:  "I agree with coolio here, players want to play, they take games over training any day of the week. but if you wanted less games what could be done here for duals is lower the amount of hurling games, keep senior at 6 teams, cant see why it should be more as after team 4 the others are a fair bit off(people will come saying about NB winning at the weekend but was their first in 30 odd senior games), then have two groups of three, top goes to semi, other two go to quarter, losers of quarters go to relegation. 4 or 5 games in it to win it and give jeopardy for teams at the bottom to keep going."