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Replying To KerrymanStuckInDonegal:  "Tell Murphy that......he is the one playing himself out there. Any one that I spoke to that was at the ulster final said the Donegal sideline were gesturing for Murphy to go into the square and he ignored it. I seen it first hand on multiple occasions during Rory's term as manager him telling him to go in but he wouldn't. Murphy will be known as Donegal's greatest ever footballer and in the conversation for greatest ever full forward in the game, but if he does his own thing again against Armagh, Donegal are screwed."
Well if that's the case then it comes back to weak management, I'd tell him the second time and if he didn't do as instructed I'd bench him, no matter who it is.
If players are doing what they want it's no wonder we are playing the way we are, one thing about McGuinness you either followed his instructions or you were out.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2068 - 08/06/2022 17:55:38    2423443

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Everyone should just stop the mouthing period. Act yet Age. On a more positive note, Ardara GAA hosted an u11 Tournament, 24 Clubs, over 40 teams, 6 different grades. Great football on display. Moville won the yltop tier and have a very good , well drilled and Skillful team. Oisin O Hare (who was tipped before tournament to win player of the tournament and was) was a joy to watch. With a little bit of nuturing, this group could be future contenders. Standard on the top tiers was high and most importantly the players in the lower tiers had good fun and enjoyed themselves. That's what the GAA is about. Not this b***h*ng and back biting on forums.

KerrymanStuckInDonegal (Kerry) - Posts: 175 - 08/06/2022 17:56:52    2423444

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Replying To rorysboys:  "You won't name players cause you don't know anybody. The best forward in club football in Donegal and a st eunan player. Name them hope it's not like your last list where I think off my head two of them are struggling to make there own club team. Hope your all set for clones marty. I hear all the keyboard warriors are being designated a certain section of the Gerry Arthur so the Donegal support willbe well boosted.."
When i say I'm not going to name players what part do you not understand. Name players for you to slate on a public forum. And tbh they probably wilnt have to wait long til they get a fresh shot at county fball again.

marty234 (Donegal) - Posts: 142 - 08/06/2022 20:43:40    2423468

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Replying To KerrymanStuckInDonegal:  "Tell Murphy that......he is the one playing himself out there. Any one that I spoke to that was at the ulster final said the Donegal sideline were gesturing for Murphy to go into the square and he ignored it. I seen it first hand on multiple occasions during Rory's term as manager him telling him to go in but he wouldn't. Murphy will be known as Donegal's greatest ever footballer and in the conversation for greatest ever full forward in the game, but if he does his own thing again against Armagh, Donegal are screwed."
Listening to Declan's interview here on Highland Radio this evening he was asked about Murphy playing out around midfield and he said there was no point in Murphy being in at FF because Derry had 14 defenders in there most of the game and it would be hard to find him kicking the ball in to him,
doesn't sound to me like he was instructing Michael to go in there, so what you heard may have been wrong.

http://highlandradio.com/2022/06/08/donegal-players-firmly-focused-on-armagh-declan-bonner/

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2068 - 08/06/2022 20:56:44    2423470

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Replying To rorysboys:  "My mate got his 2 at 12.40 . Could pick his seat and plenty places available."
Got 3 season ticket seats at 1pm in Gerry Arthur stand. Was option of Gerry Arthur or Pat mcGrane to choose from. Was plenty of seats left in Gerry Arthur's at that stage.

ryan (Donegal) - Posts: 522 - 08/06/2022 21:12:03    2423473

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Hard for Murphy's scoring to be as sharp when he's playing full back and sweeper roles for us against Derry. and also hitting 45's when he is carrying some type of injury, give the man a break.
If Murphy is in at FF he'll cause panic and mayhem in the defence, he doesn't even have to catch it.
He has soldiered long enough for us doing the work of 4 men, play him in the position he was born for and let the rest of them step up to the mark out he field."
Why is Murphy hitting 45's or starting if he is carrying an injury? Surely Michael Langan, Ciaran Thompson, Paddy McBrearty etc could hit them if Michael Murphy is injured, if he isn't fully fit, then he shouldn't be starting the match.

I have huge respect for Michael Murphy and the commitment he has given Donegal football and will continue to give hopefully, but I don't think he should be starting if injured. In 2021 he got played against Tyrone when injured and his lack of fitness/sharpness got him sent off and ultimately was what allowed Tyrone to later pull away in the 2nd half.

I don't think it is effective to keep any player inside for 70+ minutes, most teams rotate forwards to keep the opposition's defence on their toes, we are far too predictable.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 843 - 09/06/2022 10:31:07    2423528

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Replying To Commodore:  "Why is Murphy hitting 45's or starting if he is carrying an injury? Surely Michael Langan, Ciaran Thompson, Paddy McBrearty etc could hit them if Michael Murphy is injured, if he isn't fully fit, then he shouldn't be starting the match.

I have huge respect for Michael Murphy and the commitment he has given Donegal football and will continue to give hopefully, but I don't think he should be starting if injured. In 2021 he got played against Tyrone when injured and his lack of fitness/sharpness got him sent off and ultimately was what allowed Tyrone to later pull away in the 2nd half.

I don't think it is effective to keep any player inside for 70+ minutes, most teams rotate forwards to keep the opposition's defence on their toes, we are far too predictable."
I'd agree with you there. It's far too simplistic just to say we'll put Michael Murphy full forward and that will solve all our problems. However, I think the frustration is that we didn't try that at all against Derry at any stage, even when it was clear that there was an injury and he was gassed in extra time. I'd love to see us change things up to keep opposition defences honest. e.g. against Dublin in the league we got a goal out of a long kick pass inside to Murphy. It's not that we should be just lumping balls in on top of him all game.

I think we should have tried bringing Paddy McBrearty to CHF as well. It was clear as day he was getting little change out of McKaigue when stationed inside. Paddy is great at popping off wee passes, creating one-twos etc to engineer space to get a shot off. But in the Ulster final I can't really remember him dropping off deep at any stage to get himself into the game.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7880 - 09/06/2022 10:56:27    2423536

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Listening to Declan's interview here on Highland Radio this evening he was asked about Murphy playing out around midfield and he said there was no point in Murphy being in at FF because Derry had 14 defenders in there most of the game and it would be hard to find him kicking the ball in to him,
doesn't sound to me like he was instructing Michael to go in there, so what you heard may have been wrong.

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I could be wrong but the people I spoke are good Donegal fans and not trouble makers and as I said I seen similar behaviour in previous years under Rory. Every game in Ulster for past 10 years has been blanket style defenses so I don't buy that response. If what Bonner said is true then it shows how inept of a manager he is by purposely playing Murphy there and leaving him there when Benny Rogers had the run if the pitch and was impacting the game far more than Murphy. Murphy also appeared to be carrying an injury so again speaks volumes of how poor a manager is when he purposely plays an injured player in that position.
I still think that Murphy did his own thing, the manager can't come out and say that to the press so I think he told a white lie, I feel sorry for him really. He can't say his player didn't follow orders and says he made the decision to play Murphy there which leaves him wide open for criticism. Tough being an inter county manager.... Who would take the job for all the ***** you have to put up with from the likes of us.....

KerrymanStuckInDonegal (Kerry) - Posts: 175 - 09/06/2022 11:21:01    2423550

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Well if that's the case then it comes back to weak management, I'd tell him the second time and if he didn't do as instructed I'd bench him, no matter who it is.
If players are doing what they want it's no wonder we are playing the way we are, one thing about McGuinness you either followed his instructions or you were out."
I agree with you 1000 percent but the thing is, Murphy is the greatest Donegal player of all time and as I said before probably the greatest no.14 in the game ever.
Does that buy him a bit of lee way? If Murphy is doing his own thing and Bonner hauls him off, Donegal lose the game.....The media and the public would go to town on Murphy.
I think Murphy does his own thing but I don't think he does it in a selfish way. I genuinely believe he plays where does because he thinks he can benefit the team the most. He owes the GAA nothing for everything he gave over 12+ years.
But He needs to play in the square against Armagh.
He is carrying an injury and there is a serious amount miles on the clock. If he is put out around the middle by management or he goes there by choice, Donegal are Doomed. Murphy at 14 keeps the Armagh defence honest and opens up the middle third and he is a constant threat for a long ball in. That should then open up the middle third for Mogan, Langan. O Donnell,Thompson. Eoghan Ban. Etc. to either create an overlap or get a reasonable chance from distance

KerrymanStuckInDonegal (Kerry) - Posts: 175 - 09/06/2022 11:31:21    2423553

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I'd agree with you there. It's far too simplistic just to say we'll put Michael Murphy full forward and that will solve all our problems. However, I think the frustration is that we didn't try that at all against Derry at any stage, even when it was clear that there was an injury and he was gassed in extra time. I'd love to see us change things up to keep opposition defences honest. e.g. against Dublin in the league we got a goal out of a long kick pass inside to Murphy. It's not that we should be just lumping balls in on top of him all game.

I think we should have tried bringing Paddy McBrearty to CHF as well. It was clear as day he was getting little change out of McKaigue when stationed inside. Paddy is great at popping off wee passes, creating one-twos etc to engineer space to get a shot off. But in the Ulster final I can't really remember him dropping off deep at any stage to get himself into the game."
The thing about Murphy going to Full Forward is that makes Armagh tighten up inside there own 21, compact the blanket and try to open up the space in the middle third. Murphy might not get on as much ball inside there but it helps the team more. Plus who else do you want inside if a ball drops short or a quick turnover ? If Murphy does stay inside then yes it can allow Paddy to come out and try and mix things up. But what happened the last day was Murphy went out, was ineffective and then Paddy had to stay inside and was ineffective, he was marked to an inch of his life and he could have came out around middle third but that would have left Brennan inside on his own.......

KerrymanStuckInDonegal (Kerry) - Posts: 175 - 09/06/2022 11:57:30    2423558

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Replying To KerrymanStuckInDonegal:  "I agree with you 1000 percent but the thing is, Murphy is the greatest Donegal player of all time and as I said before probably the greatest no.14 in the game ever.
Does that buy him a bit of lee way? If Murphy is doing his own thing and Bonner hauls him off, Donegal lose the game.....The media and the public would go to town on Murphy.
I think Murphy does his own thing but I don't think he does it in a selfish way. I genuinely believe he plays where does because he thinks he can benefit the team the most. He owes the GAA nothing for everything he gave over 12+ years.
But He needs to play in the square against Armagh.
He is carrying an injury and there is a serious amount miles on the clock. If he is put out around the middle by management or he goes there by choice, Donegal are Doomed. Murphy at 14 keeps the Armagh defence honest and opens up the middle third and he is a constant threat for a long ball in. That should then open up the middle third for Mogan, Langan. O Donnell,Thompson. Eoghan Ban. Etc. to either create an overlap or get a reasonable chance from distance"
I know that whatever Michael does he's doing what he thinks is best for the team, he is as honest as the day is long, He was 100% fit it seemed to me against Armagh in Ballybofey so whatever injury he picked up it must have been in training after that.
As Lockjaw says I'm not saying we keep Michael in at FF for the full game but mix it up, I'm hoping for a big game from Paddy mac on Sunday, he seems to like playing Armagh, he fairly enjoyed that goal he got in Ballybofey against them.
Armagh I think will have 80% of the support on Sunday, they have revenge on their minds and great momentum after beating the All Ireland Champions last weekend and ending their season so all the pluses are with them.
the beaten provincial finalists have a bad record in the qualifiers, it's hard to lift the show again after a defeat like that, imo we had the beating of Derry if we'd went for it a bit more but anyway the focus now is Sunday at 4pm.
I think Armagh are coming to play football and win the game so it could open up into a great game, hopefully anyway and we have our shooting boots on and come out the right side of it.
Just go for it and if we are good enough on the day we win, throw the shackles off.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2068 - 09/06/2022 12:11:44    2423562

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I'd agree with you there. It's far too simplistic just to say we'll put Michael Murphy full forward and that will solve all our problems. However, I think the frustration is that we didn't try that at all against Derry at any stage, even when it was clear that there was an injury and he was gassed in extra time. I'd love to see us change things up to keep opposition defences honest. e.g. against Dublin in the league we got a goal out of a long kick pass inside to Murphy. It's not that we should be just lumping balls in on top of him all game.

I think we should have tried bringing Paddy McBrearty to CHF as well. It was clear as day he was getting little change out of McKaigue when stationed inside. Paddy is great at popping off wee passes, creating one-twos etc to engineer space to get a shot off. But in the Ulster final I can't really remember him dropping off deep at any stage to get himself into the game."
Totally agree. I would love to see paddy at centre forward also. Especially when playing against a blanket defence and ask him not to be afraid to shoot.
He can be a little predicable at present going on the loop, and easy for a defender to mark. In my opinion he wouldn't be as strong on his weaker foot as Jamie Brennan who is proficient with both feet. Paddy is a strong ball carrier though and a trial at 11 would be no harm.
Also agree putting Murphy at full would not be a fix all. I am disappointed though we haven't tried to more.
It needs to be practiced in training also.
Under mc Gunness I remember Neil gallagher would drift into full forward to keeps teams guessing.

Gumball (Donegal) - Posts: 34 - 09/06/2022 12:12:16    2423563

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In 2011 against Kildare, Michael led the team around in the parade, and then ran up into the stand. That left us with Colm Anthony and Paddy up front, and Kildare were winning every ball. I think Michael came on after 27 minutes at 0-05 0-02 behind, and was clearly injured. But just his presence at the edge of the square turned the game. His presence made the Kildare defenders take one step back to cover, which then allowed Colm Anthony and Paddy to actually win ball out in front, which they hadn't been able to do beforehand. And whilst I agree that he shouldn't be in there full time, I think the very threat of him being in there is enough to ask questions, to keep the opposition defenders honest if you will.

And let's face it, whatever about out around the middle, i believe thatvArmagh do not have a player capable of marking him in at the edge of the square. Not many have.

SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 239 - 09/06/2022 13:10:05    2423578

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Replying To Gumball:  "Totally agree. I would love to see paddy at centre forward also. Especially when playing against a blanket defence and ask him not to be afraid to shoot.
He can be a little predicable at present going on the loop, and easy for a defender to mark. In my opinion he wouldn't be as strong on his weaker foot as Jamie Brennan who is proficient with both feet. Paddy is a strong ball carrier though and a trial at 11 would be no harm.
Also agree putting Murphy at full would not be a fix all. I am disappointed though we haven't tried to more.
It needs to be practiced in training also.
Under mc Gunness I remember Neil gallagher would drift into full forward to keeps teams guessing."
good point on switching Paddy's role. I recall the year he was injured we used Odhran Mac Niallas or Ciaran Thompson inside at times for left footed kicker or frees. I thought we missed an opportunity in Ulster Final after watching back to maybe even put Thompson in earlier maybe more advanced position to take Paddy outside and force Derry make decision on McKaigue to come out with Paddy or maybe stick inside and have 2 long kickers.

An area I think we can get joy in as notice teams dropping off our cornerbacks on kick out and when we attack and tend to let them on ball and even drift into advanced positions, thought in last quarter of Ulster final it may have been chance to get someone in at CB rather than manmarker to s witch to someone with engine to get up and kick scores ( eg Jeaic McKelvey ) .

DonegalDanny92 (Donegal) - Posts: 3 - 09/06/2022 13:25:44    2423582

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Replying To KerrymanStuckInDonegal:  "The thing about Murphy going to Full Forward is that makes Armagh tighten up inside there own 21, compact the blanket and try to open up the space in the middle third. Murphy might not get on as much ball inside there but it helps the team more. Plus who else do you want inside if a ball drops short or a quick turnover ? If Murphy does stay inside then yes it can allow Paddy to come out and try and mix things up. But what happened the last day was Murphy went out, was ineffective and then Paddy had to stay inside and was ineffective, he was marked to an inch of his life and he could have came out around middle third but that would have left Brennan inside on his own......."
Good points squig

Tyrion (Donegal) - Posts: 111 - 09/06/2022 13:38:45    2423585

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I know that whatever Michael does he's doing what he thinks is best for the team, he is as honest as the day is long, He was 100% fit it seemed to me against Armagh in Ballybofey so whatever injury he picked up it must have been in training after that.
As Lockjaw says I'm not saying we keep Michael in at FF for the full game but mix it up, I'm hoping for a big game from Paddy mac on Sunday, he seems to like playing Armagh, he fairly enjoyed that goal he got in Ballybofey against them.
Armagh I think will have 80% of the support on Sunday, they have revenge on their minds and great momentum after beating the All Ireland Champions last weekend and ending their season so all the pluses are with them.
the beaten provincial finalists have a bad record in the qualifiers, it's hard to lift the show again after a defeat like that, imo we had the beating of Derry if we'd went for it a bit more but anyway the focus now is Sunday at 4pm.
I think Armagh are coming to play football and win the game so it could open up into a great game, hopefully anyway and we have our shooting boots on and come out the right side of it.
Just go for it and if we are good enough on the day we win, throw the shackles off."
Why should Armagh have 80% of the support. Are we not suppose to be this big gaa county with huge support. Sunday will support wise tell us what we think of our county team. Plenty opinions flying about , .about time we come out and support our team.. bonner done a good interview in the democrat today calls the warriors out for what they are.. sad with too much time on there hands he said..

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1511 - 09/06/2022 15:16:55    2423620

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Why should Armagh have 80% of the support. Are we not suppose to be this big gaa county with huge support. Sunday will support wise tell us what we think of our county team. Plenty opinions flying about , .about time we come out and support our team.. bonner done a good interview in the democrat today calls the warriors out for what they are.. sad with too much time on there hands he said.."
That tells me all I need to know about Bonner Rory. I haven't seen the article yet myself but for bonner to point the finger I would be worried.
As a manager you should be keeping your players focused on an upcoming match and nothing more.
People who post on this forum have as much a right to their opinion as anyone else. If they are finding fault with Bonners approach maybe he should ask himself why?.
As for keyboard warriors how else are people going to write on this forum. I don't think i can post my letter in to be published. Going by that logic we are all keyboard warriors!.

Gumball (Donegal) - Posts: 34 - 09/06/2022 15:56:58    2423635

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Why should Armagh have 80% of the support. Are we not suppose to be this big gaa county with huge support. Sunday will support wise tell us what we think of our county team. Plenty opinions flying about , .about time we come out and support our team.. bonner done a good interview in the democrat today calls the warriors out for what they are.. sad with too much time on there hands he said.."
Donegal is the poorest county in Ireland with the highest levels of unemployment. I know people who went 2 weeks ago but won't this time because they can't afford it. There's a lot of casual fans who like to see the county do well but they tend to watch on TV or in the pubs or make the trip for a final. Soccer would be bigger in Inishowen and the east of the county. Anyway, attendance has been falling for some time now. The highs of the noughties and early 2010s were an outlier.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 595 - 09/06/2022 16:22:46    2423645

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Replying To Gumball:  "Totally agree. I would love to see paddy at centre forward also. Especially when playing against a blanket defence and ask him not to be afraid to shoot.
He can be a little predicable at present going on the loop, and easy for a defender to mark. In my opinion he wouldn't be as strong on his weaker foot as Jamie Brennan who is proficient with both feet. Paddy is a strong ball carrier though and a trial at 11 would be no harm.
Also agree putting Murphy at full would not be a fix all. I am disappointed though we haven't tried to more.
It needs to be practiced in training also.
Under mc Gunness I remember Neil gallagher would drift into full forward to keeps teams guessing."
I thought the rotating of big Neil in and out was under Rory.I don't know if he started it but it was definitely happening when Rory was in charge,

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 822 - 09/06/2022 16:26:49    2423647

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Replying To gunman:  "I thought the rotating of big Neil in and out was under Rory.I don't know if he started it but it was definitely happening when Rory was in charge,"
Donegal definitely did it before Rory. I can remember the Dub,in semi final in 2014 specifically when this was used as a tactic.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7880 - 09/06/2022 16:41:50    2423655

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