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Replying To jacktheboy: "Looks like game could be in The Hyde, as Donegal played in Cavan yesterday, hardly get same pitch two weeks in a row" Hope the Donegal county board have something to say about Hyde Park if that's pushed on as, basically a home venue for Mayo. Would rather Croke Park than there.
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Replying To Donegal_abroad: "Hope the Donegal county board have something to say about Hyde Park if that's pushed on as, basically a home venue for Mayo. Would rather Croke Park than there." How is the Hyde the Hyde basically a home venue fir us?! Prettyich like mcguiness wanting match in cavan !
S1234 (Mayo) - Posts: 189 - 02/06/2025 15:07:12
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Replying To Ulsterchamps_32: "Assuming they don't go to Dublin I think in might be the Hyde. Though playing two matches in the same venue didn't stop them using owenbeg two weeks in a row for Tyrone in the Ulster under 20 championship. Assuming they don't want to use the same venue twice for the last of the group games then it will be interesting. I don't think they can play these matches Derry vs Dublin and Galway vs armagh in the same area. Dublin should bring crowd to wherever they go and Galway have a lot at stake against Armagh. They could go to Carrick again but Armagh have a huge amount of season tickets and stand may not not be big enough.I was thinking clones for Dublin vs Derry initially but they might try newry to stop any traffic overlap. Armagh and Galway could be cavan. Tyrone vs cavan in brewster. If Donegal had not played in cavan yesterday it surely would have been the choice so why not cavan but it won't be there clones would be fair enough too but imagine mayo would not be keen on clones against Donegal either.
Dublin vs Derry - newry
Armagh vs Galway - cavan
Kerry vs meath. Thurles
Cork vs Roscommon - Ennis
Down va Monaghan - Armagh
Louth vs Clare - portlaoise
Cavan vs Tyrone - enniskillen
Mayo vs Donegal - Roscommon" Sligo would have been a fairer venue
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Replying To Donegal_abroad: "Hope the Donegal county board have something to say about Hyde Park if that's pushed on as, basically a home venue for Mayo. Would rather Croke Park than there." Cavan is the central venue, sure Castlebar is only 40 miles from Roscommon and Letterkenny is 120 miles. Roscommon would be a central location for Armagh v Galway.
Ulsterchamps72 (Donegal) - Posts: 116 - 02/06/2025 16:07:55
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Replying To Donegal_abroad: "Hope the Donegal county board have something to say about Hyde Park if that's pushed on as, basically a home venue for Mayo. Would rather Croke Park than there." Same logic would apply if the game was played in Cavan where Donegal played yesterday.
At least one of the eight games should be played in Connacht and the Hyde is the obvious place for a game given its location. Ulsterchamp on this thread has four of the eight games in Ulster venue's but has the Donegal v Mayo match in The Hyde.
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 753 - 02/06/2025 16:19:21
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Replying To CCFabu: "On the match yesterday I was very happy in the stand, as was mentioned elsewhere a good crowd of Donegal got in early and dominated the stand side which was great to see. The first half was tight and I think that goal really hurt Cavan - however at the same time 7 points is not a huge lead any more in this game, and I was expecting them to come out swinging. They did the same against Mayo after actually dominating that first half and were going in 3 down, so I felt they would be thinking "we've been here before".
However I was extremely impressed with our 2nd half performance, we really put the squeeze on and played some of our best football. It was great to see Conor O'Donnell get amongst the scores, he has struggled at times this year but his talent is there for all to see in my opinion. Hopefully yesterday will give him a huge boost confidence wise now.
I was also very impressed with Mulreany considering all the inevitable commentary about the kickouts against Tyrone. Of course he's no Shaun Patton, and he had one or two dodgy ones, but that can always happen in the modern game with teams putting the press on. In general I thought he did very well and it reassured me a good bit going forward if indeed Patton won't be ready for Mayo.
Also great to see Shane O'Donnell back to form yesterday, I really think he is quietly one of our most important players, he gets on so much ball in our attacking phases.
Overall very pleased as Cavan are a talented side. In terms of going forward, unfortunately I don't believe they will get a result against Tyrone as they seem to struggle against Tyrone specifically (every county seems to have teams like that, where they just can't get over them). I think before their Ulster match this year the talk was that Cavan hadn't beaten Tyrone in league or championship since the Wee Man's Cavan side in '97?
Tyrone will also refocus now after being caught by Mayo. For all the talk that we were worried about our own tired bodies, I didn't really consider how much the Ballybofey win would have taken out of Tyrone. I really expected them to win handily at home to Mayo, the more this year goes on the more I think I don't know a thing about football!" Your point on Conor O'Donnell is something I would agree with. He's very two footed and has loads of talent. With the three up he has been playing on the inside quite a bit and it's not his game. He does have that quick turn the way murphy has or the jinky play of Farrah but when he's running at goal he can be very effective. That goal finish is exactly what you're looking for. He also wasn't looking to pass if off yesterday which is good.
He did have more space than he would have in other games so that will be the next challenge. He should as you say take plenty confidence from yesterday.
Ultimately if donegal are to get near the all Ireland they need all players flying and being a threat.
Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 853 - 02/06/2025 16:26:11
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Replying To Donegal_abroad: "Hope the Donegal county board have something to say about Hyde Park if that's pushed on as, basically a home venue for Mayo. Would rather Croke Park than there." Markievicz Park in Sligo would be the ideal venue, but it is closed. Carrick on Shannon would be next, but it only holds 9,000 so can't see it going there. Pearse Park in Longford holds only 8,000. Brewster Park is too close for us, and the Hyde is too close to them. So I would say that Breifne Park will be compromise solution, just over 2 hours from Castlebar and Letterkenny.
SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 797 - 02/06/2025 16:30:05
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Replying To Ulsterchamps72: "Cavan is the central venue, sure Castlebar is only 40 miles from Roscommon and Letterkenny is 120 miles. Roscommon would be a central location for Armagh v Galway." Cavan is not central gives advantage to Donegal sure may as well get an ulster ref to if that's your way of thinking!! Def should not be played in cavan typical McGuiness wanting it there .
S1234 (Mayo) - Posts: 189 - 02/06/2025 16:46:24
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Southofthegap- Cavan playing same time as mayo Donegal therefore no stewards for Breffni park as I'd assume they would all want to attend their own game. Clones or Hyde but mayo would have same issues with clones that ye have with Hyde.
Mfs (Mayo) - Posts: 264 - 02/06/2025 16:49:29
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Replying To eddieSize5Balls: "Sligo would have been a fairer venue" It's closed
greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 658 - 02/06/2025 16:56:51
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Replying To eddieSize5Balls: "Sligo would have been a fairer venue" Yeah but unfortunately it's our of commission and stand not great. My last memories of their aren't great..we played mayo there in a league match and it was an awful day of weather.
Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 853 - 02/06/2025 17:00:57
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We can moan about the groups being unfair (I know I have) but Armagh had a tougher group and are home and dry so we shouldn't be saying they have it handy now. As much as it pains me to say it, they look like the team to beat. And right now, the way the groups are standing, I'd only maybe fancy a Kerry to beat them. It's a pity that two years in a row we get a tough ulster matchup in there. And when ya think back to the super 8S, we had tough groups both those years but ultimately your fate is in your own hands and we fucked up majorly by not at least drawing with Tyrone.
That being said, we may rest players next game out, we may not. Ultimately it's going to be difficult to rest a lot, some players will have to play that game since we can't be expected to field a complete different 15. Like there would be some uproar from Tyrone if we gave starts to players not even in the usual 26. I can see us resting a few from the start and depending on how the Cavan and Tyrone games go, introduce them later in the game or vice versa, start them and then take them off. A game like that would be good for players who have struggled this year like Gallen and Paddy though. Who knows. We're all speculating anyway.
Dream scenario is Cavan get something off Tyrone and we match that result(if both games are a draw we will top on points difference)
A more realistic scenario is we finish 2nd and hopefully get someone like a cork, Roscommon or Louth in the prelims.
Then of course if we finish 3rd we could get someone tough.
Knowing our luck we will finish 2nd and get Dublin!
Though if we put the possible fatigue question to the side, who are we afraid of playing at this stage? I would be confident playing anyone but Armagh or Kerry in a prelim or quarter final.
I see people saying if we get to a 1/4 via the prelims we probably play Kerry. I didn't think the draw was made, can someone clarify that for me? I'd love to get a go at Kerry in a quarter final though.
eddieSize5Balls (Donegal) - Posts: 158 - 02/06/2025 17:10:24
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Replying To S1234: "Cavan is not central gives advantage to Donegal sure may as well get an ulster ref to if that's your way of thinking!! Def should not be played in cavan typical McGuiness wanting it there ." Lay off Jim, of course he can have his opinion. I'm sure Rochford has a preference of venue as well? What's wrong with that?
Scenicparish (Donegal) - Posts: 528 - 02/06/2025 17:15:55
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Replying To 1814ninetytwo: "Your very last sentence there, that's pretty much the whole thing in a nutshell!
With the way this whole thing has panned out, it's hard not to feel a bit hard done by. You win your province and are then (if we're fortunate enough) end up in an extremely tricky preliminary route to the AI, while Armagh are already home and dry in the QF.
I know some people will say tough luck (and that's fair enough I suppose) but it really gets to me. Getting a fresh Tyrone team in the first group game, off the back of winning Ulster, is a bitter pill to swallow. I am not against the group stage system, per se, but it's like a playing a second mini-Ulster Championship again before you qualify for the quarter-final. Meanwhile, Kerry are swatting lower-level teams aside without breaking a sweat." Ara come on, it's a rough draw of course but Armagh had to beat Derry and Dublin to be "home and dry".
The roughest part of our draw was Tyrone at home first. It is what it is but we didn't play well enough to win. It's not as though the odds were piled against us from the start.
It is frustrating to see the lopsided nature of some of the groups but that's all, we were still capable of topping our group and only ourselved to blame for not being in Armagh's position.
CCFabu (Donegal) - Posts: 199 - 02/06/2025 17:47:06
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Replying To letsgetgoing: "Same logic would apply if the game was played in Cavan where Donegal played yesterday.
At least one of the eight games should be played in Connacht and the Hyde is the obvious place for a game given its location. Ulsterchamp on this thread has four of the eight games in Ulster venue's but has the Donegal v Mayo match in The Hyde." The Hyde is not obvious for Donegal. I've just a suspicion it will end up there. I hadn't considered all the Ulster venues but they are just logical centre points and two of the matches involve Ulster teams playing each other. Sligo would be a good location but it's out of commission. Though if there was a really good crowd it might not be quite big enough and the stand just isn't great.
Breffni is a great ground and they be mad if they didn't use of some match but as another poster said cavan playing at the same time rules it out for Donegal vs mayo.
Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 853 - 02/06/2025 18:18:00
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Replying To SouthOfTheGap: "Markievicz Park in Sligo would be the ideal venue, but it is closed. Carrick on Shannon would be next, but it only holds 9,000 so can't see it going there. Pearse Park in Longford holds only 8,000. Brewster Park is too close for us, and the Hyde is too close to them. So I would say that Breifne Park will be compromise solution, just over 2 hours from Castlebar and Letterkenny." Should be in breffni park, we had to go play Galway in castlebar in 03 for qf replay
totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1076 - 02/06/2025 18:20:29
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Would Enniskillen be an option?
CCFabu (Donegal) - Posts: 199 - 02/06/2025 18:48:07
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Replying To eddieSize5Balls: "We can moan about the groups being unfair (I know I have) but Armagh had a tougher group and are home and dry so we shouldn't be saying they have it handy now. As much as it pains me to say it, they look like the team to beat. And right now, the way the groups are standing, I'd only maybe fancy a Kerry to beat them. It's a pity that two years in a row we get a tough ulster matchup in there. And when ya think back to the super 8S, we had tough groups both those years but ultimately your fate is in your own hands and we fucked up majorly by not at least drawing with Tyrone.
That being said, we may rest players next game out, we may not. Ultimately it's going to be difficult to rest a lot, some players will have to play that game since we can't be expected to field a complete different 15. Like there would be some uproar from Tyrone if we gave starts to players not even in the usual 26. I can see us resting a few from the start and depending on how the Cavan and Tyrone games go, introduce them later in the game or vice versa, start them and then take them off. A game like that would be good for players who have struggled this year like Gallen and Paddy though. Who knows. We're all speculating anyway.
Dream scenario is Cavan get something off Tyrone and we match that result(if both games are a draw we will top on points difference)
A more realistic scenario is we finish 2nd and hopefully get someone like a cork, Roscommon or Louth in the prelims.
Then of course if we finish 3rd we could get someone tough.
Knowing our luck we will finish 2nd and get Dublin!
Though if we put the possible fatigue question to the side, who are we afraid of playing at this stage? I would be confident playing anyone but Armagh or Kerry in a prelim or quarter final.
I see people saying if we get to a 1/4 via the prelims we probably play Kerry. I didn't think the draw was made, can someone clarify that for me? I'd love to get a go at Kerry in a quarter final though." If the games go as planned and all the favourites win, itll mean tyrone, armagh, kerry and monaghan top their groups. We cant play armagh because we played them in the ulster final, and we had tyrone in the round robin. So it only leaves kerry and monaghan that we could potentially play in the QF. But thats a lkng way off if we make it at all.
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Replying To S1234: "How is the Hyde the Hyde basically a home venue fir us?! Prettyich like mcguiness wanting match in cavan !" Roscommon is a neighbouring county for Mayo. Cavan isn't for us.
Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1431 - 02/06/2025 18:59:41
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Replying To CCFabu: "On the match yesterday I was very happy in the stand, as was mentioned elsewhere a good crowd of Donegal got in early and dominated the stand side which was great to see. The first half was tight and I think that goal really hurt Cavan - however at the same time 7 points is not a huge lead any more in this game, and I was expecting them to come out swinging. They did the same against Mayo after actually dominating that first half and were going in 3 down, so I felt they would be thinking "we've been here before".
However I was extremely impressed with our 2nd half performance, we really put the squeeze on and played some of our best football. It was great to see Conor O'Donnell get amongst the scores, he has struggled at times this year but his talent is there for all to see in my opinion. Hopefully yesterday will give him a huge boost confidence wise now.
I was also very impressed with Mulreany considering all the inevitable commentary about the kickouts against Tyrone. Of course he's no Shaun Patton, and he had one or two dodgy ones, but that can always happen in the modern game with teams putting the press on. In general I thought he did very well and it reassured me a good bit going forward if indeed Patton won't be ready for Mayo.
Also great to see Shane O'Donnell back to form yesterday, I really think he is quietly one of our most important players, he gets on so much ball in our attacking phases.
Overall very pleased as Cavan are a talented side. In terms of going forward, unfortunately I don't believe they will get a result against Tyrone as they seem to struggle against Tyrone specifically (every county seems to have teams like that, where they just can't get over them). I think before their Ulster match this year the talk was that Cavan hadn't beaten Tyrone in league or championship since the Wee Man's Cavan side in '97?
Tyrone will also refocus now after being caught by Mayo. For all the talk that we were worried about our own tired bodies, I didn't really consider how much the Ballybofey win would have taken out of Tyrone. I really expected them to win handily at home to Mayo, the more this year goes on the more I think I don't know a thing about football!" Strang how yous all are mentioning all the forwards that done well and i think thats missing the point. Player of the match for me was Langan and McFadden. Donegal changed the formation around midfield for kickouts in the second half and that's where the game was won. We got cleaned out and couldn't even win our own kickouts. Cavan marked kickouts in zones while Donegal worked in pods. It meant broken ball was easier won because there was no support for the Cavan jumpers. Any team winning that amount of primary possession is going to rack up a score. Anyhow Go beat Mayo :)
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