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Replying To ryan: "Luke Barrett has had little to do with this years minors up until Christmas, they were the first team to come through working with Karl in the academy. I know Karl changed Luke's backroom team pre-Christmas but since Karl left Luke has brought his own lads back in, not a good sign. I would hope the minors continue to work under the academy programme that was set-up and that they just don't go back to doing thing's there own way. Time will tell I suppose." Its exactly this begrudging mentality that is the problem in Donegal. You don't really want the minors to do well, because then you'll be able to say I told you so. The current u17 team got hammered out the gate in last year's Buncrana Cup Final, the team is unrecognisable from last year. There are 7 players starting who didn't start 8/9 months ago in that final. Only 4 players are playing in the same position, yet you want to give Karl Lacey all the credit for this years team. The current u20 team who did not have a great end to their campaign have been in the Karl Academy the exact same amount of time as the current u17 squad, and have been refined longer as the current u17's were regionalised for the first while. So if the success of the u17's is down to Karl, what about the state of the u20's?? Furthermore the backroom was broken up to allow members move up to the u20's for continuity purposes, but after a number of weeks this was binned and the replacements given to the u17 are still there. Luke Barrett is doing a fine job, just as he has of the last 2 u17 teams. They narrowly lost an Ulster Final 2 years ago and took Tyrone to the pin of their collar last year losing on penalties. I don't know Luke Barrett at all believe it or not, but I know the facts and I know your view of things and portrayal is completely warped. Our senior men, u20's, the CB, are all a mess and all you can do is take aim at the one team that is doing well. So wise up and turn off your computer and go chat to someone about the weather.
South&Proud (Donegal) - Posts: 1 - 27/04/2023 10:16:56
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Replying To totalrecall: "by all accounts kavanagh et al only announced their interest once they knew paddy carr/o'rourke were the only ticket in town. they met with members of the CB but the deal to appoint carr had already been done, don't know why they agreed to meet kavanagh and co? it was typical of the clandestine shenannigans that surrounded the whole farce that was the appointment process. it's ironic that Carr has gone, bradley and o'rourke will be gone once we exit the championship, Lacey and 40 of the best coaches in the county have gone, Kavanagh no longer available as an option at county level, alot of players have made themselves unavailable for selection.....and yet the puppetmasters at CB level still remain!" I don't think that's true. Kavanagh had the job all along until the county final. He had a strong backroom team in place but whatever the reason was he withdrew on the Monday.. it was then that paddy carr entered the equation.
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Replying To rorysboys: "I don't think that's true. Kavanagh had the job all along until the county final. He had a strong backroom team in place but whatever the reason was he withdrew on the Monday.. it was then that paddy carr entered the equation." Thats exactly it.
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It says a lot about Kavanagh and the Eunans players if they didnt get involved with the county set up over a refs decison in the county club final
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Replying To rorysboys: "I don't think that's true. Kavanagh had the job all along until the county final. He had a strong backroom team in place but whatever the reason was he withdrew on the Monday.. it was then that paddy carr entered the equation." Yes that's what happened. It was Kavanaghs job, signed and sealed, he then threw his toys out of the pram due to a refereeing decision that went against his team during the county final. The selection committee then went back to the drawing board and after a number of candidates withdrew, they eventually agreed on Paddy Carr. It was correctly felt he may not be strong enough so they bolted Aidan O'Rourke onto his ticket in a foolish attempt to marry two poor candidates to try and make one half decent one.
Of course as we all now know, this was a disaster waiting to happen, and the disaster has now unfolded.
PeterQ92 (Donegal) - Posts: 104 - 27/04/2023 11:26:34
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Replying To highdropingball: "It says a lot about Kavanagh and the Eunans players if they didnt get involved with the county set up over a refs decison in the county club final" Totally agree
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I cant say why kavanagh pulled out, but its unfair to single out players for not playing because of the county final.
Niall o'donnell has a knee problem and i believe he has got it operated on recently. I am sure they will be back playing next season hopefully.
As regards the county board, I am hearing strong rumours that two former captains and another individual are making moves to remove certain personalities from the county board.
And are contacting club delegates to make changes.
Dont be surprised to see something in the papers soon.
Hopefully its the start of a revolution and the start of putting people in charge that are there for the right reasons.
The keeper (Donegal) - Posts: 687 - 27/04/2023 12:28:36
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Replying To The keeper: "I cant say why kavanagh pulled out, but its unfair to single out players for not playing because of the county final.
Niall o'donnell has a knee problem and i believe he has got it operated on recently. I am sure they will be back playing next season hopefully.
As regards the county board, I am hearing strong rumours that two former captains and another individual are making moves to remove certain personalities from the county board.
And are contacting club delegates to make changes.
Dont be surprised to see something in the papers soon.
Hopefully its the start of a revolution and the start of putting people in charge that are there for the right reasons." What will this revolution look like Keeper..? It needs to be wee bit more successful than the one at last years convention. Clubs and their delegates need to see people going into the top jobs for the right reasons and not to inflate more ego's. God knows we have had enough of that. On a separate note anyone hearing anything about this review..?
Mid Don (Donegal) - Posts: 70 - 27/04/2023 13:09:39
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Replying To RoryGall35: "You could include kerian Gillespie and Neil McGee..two serious defensive players exactly what we'll missing at the moment." No, because Neil McGee who was outstanding for years, is probably marginally past it now, it became obvious in his last 2 seasons. But take nothing away from him, arguably our best every full back.
Last I heard was Kieran Gillespie was struggling to comeback after his injuries in 2018, not sure if he ever recaptured that form and ability, otherwise himself and Conor Morrison would already be established in the Donegal full back line.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1106 - 27/04/2023 14:18:40
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Replying To totalrecall: "by all accounts kavanagh et al only announced their interest once they knew paddy carr/o'rourke were the only ticket in town. they met with members of the CB but the deal to appoint carr had already been done, don't know why they agreed to meet kavanagh and co? it was typical of the clandestine shenannigans that surrounded the whole farce that was the appointment process. it's ironic that Carr has gone, bradley and o'rourke will be gone once we exit the championship, Lacey and 40 of the best coaches in the county have gone, Kavanagh no longer available as an option at county level, alot of players have made themselves unavailable for selection.....and yet the puppetmasters at CB level still remain!" Everybody knew last summer that Rory Kavanagh had the job, he had taken time off from work to go at it full time, he only pulled out after the County Final. And I don't believe there were any further meetings with him after that and there was nobody interested in the job except Paddy Carr and Aidan O'Rourke, who were then asked to form a joint ticket.
I think its unfair to fully blame the CB for the Manager mess, but then again I don't know the details.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1106 - 27/04/2023 14:22:44
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Replying To PeterQ92: "Yes that's what happened. It was Kavanaghs job, signed and sealed, he then threw his toys out of the pram due to a refereeing decision that went against his team during the county final. The selection committee then went back to the drawing board and after a number of candidates withdrew, they eventually agreed on Paddy Carr. It was correctly felt he may not be strong enough so they bolted Aidan O'Rourke onto his ticket in a foolish attempt to marry two poor candidates to try and make one half decent one.
Of course as we all now know, this was a disaster waiting to happen, and the disaster has now unfolded." What I heard from good source former all ireland winner in 2012 who was fairly adamant that Carr ticket was already a done deal when kavanagh/lacey expressed interest....
totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 912 - 27/04/2023 15:01:19
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Replying To The keeper: "I cant say why kavanagh pulled out, but its unfair to single out players for not playing because of the county final.
Niall o'donnell has a knee problem and i believe he has got it operated on recently. I am sure they will be back playing next season hopefully.
As regards the county board, I am hearing strong rumours that two former captains and another individual are making moves to remove certain personalities from the county board.
And are contacting club delegates to make changes.
Dont be surprised to see something in the papers soon.
Hopefully its the start of a revolution and the start of putting people in charge that are there for the right reasons." Nothing will happen before this Mickey mouse review from cp is completed
totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 912 - 27/04/2023 15:04:26
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Replying To South&Proud: "Its exactly this begrudging mentality that is the problem in Donegal. You don't really want the minors to do well, because then you'll be able to say I told you so. The current u17 team got hammered out the gate in last year's Buncrana Cup Final, the team is unrecognisable from last year. There are 7 players starting who didn't start 8/9 months ago in that final. Only 4 players are playing in the same position, yet you want to give Karl Lacey all the credit for this years team. The current u20 team who did not have a great end to their campaign have been in the Karl Academy the exact same amount of time as the current u17 squad, and have been refined longer as the current u17's were regionalised for the first while. So if the success of the u17's is down to Karl, what about the state of the u20's?? Furthermore the backroom was broken up to allow members move up to the u20's for continuity purposes, but after a number of weeks this was binned and the replacements given to the u17 are still there. Luke Barrett is doing a fine job, just as he has of the last 2 u17 teams. They narrowly lost an Ulster Final 2 years ago and took Tyrone to the pin of their collar last year losing on penalties. I don't know Luke Barrett at all believe it or not, but I know the facts and I know your view of things and portrayal is completely warped. Our senior men, u20's, the CB, are all a mess and all you can do is take aim at the one team that is doing well. So wise up and turn off your computer and go chat to someone about the weather." Dunno where you got the idea that the current u20 team were in the academy. They weren't. I know because a member of my family was in the u20 squad this year. He is born in 2003 and was in the u16 and u17 teams a few years ago under Barrett. He finished with the u17s and went near no Academy, nor did anyone else from that age group. The u20 team this year was picked from players that attended trials in December, players from last year's panel and players from college teams. They weren't in the academy, they never even met Karl Lacey.
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Replying To highdropingball: "It says a lot about Kavanagh and the Eunans players if they didnt get involved with the county set up over a refs decison in the county club final" Wouldn't let him within an ***** roar of the county job if that's his mentality.
StockholmGael (Donegal) - Posts: 111 - 28/04/2023 02:35:44
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Replying To RoryGall35: "You could include kerian Gillespie and Neil McGee..two serious defensive players exactly what we'll missing at the moment." Kieran Gillespie will do well to have a club career after all he has been through in recent years.
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Replying To totalrecall: "What I heard from good source former all ireland winner in 2012 who was fairly adamant that Carr ticket was already a done deal when kavanagh/lacey expressed interest...." There was no Paddy Carr ticket last summer, I believe the job wasn't even on his radar, thus why he had no backroom team prepared when Rory Kavanagh and his team pulled out after the County Final. I believe Paddy had applied at the same time as Declan Bonner in late 2017, but not again after that.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1106 - 28/04/2023 10:14:01
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Replying To greenfan: "Dunno where you got the idea that the current u20 team were in the academy. They weren't. I know because a member of my family was in the u20 squad this year. He is born in 2003 and was in the u16 and u17 teams a few years ago under Barrett. He finished with the u17s and went near no Academy, nor did anyone else from that age group. The u20 team this year was picked from players that attended trials in December, players from last year's panel and players from college teams. They weren't in the academy, they never even met Karl Lacey." I understood all squads and the management teams from U20 down were working under Lacey's Academy since it was started.
Mid Don (Donegal) - Posts: 70 - 28/04/2023 10:42:07
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Replying To South&Proud: "Its exactly this begrudging mentality that is the problem in Donegal. You don't really want the minors to do well, because then you'll be able to say I told you so. The current u17 team got hammered out the gate in last year's Buncrana Cup Final, the team is unrecognisable from last year. There are 7 players starting who didn't start 8/9 months ago in that final. Only 4 players are playing in the same position, yet you want to give Karl Lacey all the credit for this years team. The current u20 team who did not have a great end to their campaign have been in the Karl Academy the exact same amount of time as the current u17 squad, and have been refined longer as the current u17's were regionalised for the first while. So if the success of the u17's is down to Karl, what about the state of the u20's?? Furthermore the backroom was broken up to allow members move up to the u20's for continuity purposes, but after a number of weeks this was binned and the replacements given to the u17 are still there. Luke Barrett is doing a fine job, just as he has of the last 2 u17 teams. They narrowly lost an Ulster Final 2 years ago and took Tyrone to the pin of their collar last year losing on penalties. I don't know Luke Barrett at all believe it or not, but I know the facts and I know your view of things and portrayal is completely warped. Our senior men, u20's, the CB, are all a mess and all you can do is take aim at the one team that is doing well. So wise up and turn off your computer and go chat to someone about the weather." Did you not know that anyone who was not connected to the 2012 setup would be acceptable in the eyes of some people .
gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1056 - 28/04/2023 12:46:08
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Replying To Mid Don: "I understood all squads and the management teams from U20 down were working under Lacey's Academy since it was started." they may have been grouped under the academy and the u20 management reporting up to Lacey, but none of this year's u20's were part of any academy training or any conditioning programmes.
greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 463 - 28/04/2023 13:46:26
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Replying To greenfan: "they may have been grouped under the academy and the u20 management reporting up to Lacey, but none of this year's u20's were part of any academy training or any conditioning programmes." But if the management teams were reporting (grouped) to Karl then surely they should have been following his programmes for both training and conditioning.
Mid Don (Donegal) - Posts: 70 - 28/04/2023 13:53:21
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