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Counties should be fined 20 grand for giving a walk over. It wouldn't happen if that was the case..
3rdmidfielder (Australia) - Posts: 393 - 17/03/2025 09:22:44
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Other than COVID, has any other county side conceded a competitive game in recent times? I doubt it. I refuse to believe that noone could be sourced to fulfil the fixture, they never tried to contact anyone outside the panel if truth was told.
gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 606 - 17/03/2025 09:23:37
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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma: "Three reasons were given for the personnel crisis which led to the walkover against Fermanagh.
1. Loads of withdrawals, emigration, etc affected the panel.
That's fine, except that happened last year. This is now, several months later.
2. The U-20s need to play in the U-20 championship on Wednesday.
I totally get that, and I agree with it. Survival in Division 3 is now a lost cause. Let the U-20s give the U-20 championship their best shot. But here's my point: it wasn't suddenly announced that the U-20 championship was about to start. The dates for the games would have been flagged well in advance I'm sure. The Galway game wasn't a surprise.
3. There's been an injury crisis.
I can't fault anyone for an injury crisis. Having both goalkeepers out through concussion is bad luck. However, and just using the goalies as an example, they didn't just get hurt on Thursday night (or the other injured players either). Management would have been aware of their situation well enough before now to be able to source a goalkeeper or two from one or two of the 23 clubs up and down the county. How was the panel put together? Were there trials? I'm sure more than two goalies turned up. If the third-, fourth-, etc choice goalie was let go from the panel, did no-one contact them to say "Look, we've an issue here, can you be available on Sunday"? Of course they could have said no, but did anyone come looking for them? The same with the outfield players. They didn't all wake up on Friday morning with sore arms or legs or whatever.
Poacher and co would have been aware the team was in trouble. Did they only have 22 in the panel for the Offaly game? Why were they not trying to bolster their numbers after that? Or even before then, especially if they knew the U-20s were going to be gone? Now I'm no expert, but I'm sure there'd have been enough lads who want to play for Leitrim, whose ambition is to make the county team, and who'd have bitten Poacher's hand off for an opportunity to make an impression on the field of play in a proper competitive competition against opponents with something to play for (with Fermanagh at the wrong end of the Division 3 table and not safe until after they got the walkover). And those players would have earned a ton of respect and gratitude for stepping into the breach.
But was anyone approached? They should have found someone to fill the vacant positions. I think eyes were seriously off the ball for this one. If Jim Gavin or Jim McGuiness were managing us and we were hit with an injury crisis and mass withdrawals, and they were going to let the U-20s away from the panel, you can be sure they would have a backup plan in place." But people on here said months ago it would be no better with the likes Jim Gavin etc which is laughable. The manger and his team are fully responsible for how it's all ran and I mean everything.
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Replying To Timmy86: "How are sligo punching above their weight ?there 2nd from bottom with leitrim and again if they lose Sunday to laois ,they l be favourites to join leitrim in d4" Led ballon.
williesboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 481 - 17/03/2025 11:14:14
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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma: "Three reasons were given for the personnel crisis which led to the walkover against Fermanagh.
1. Loads of withdrawals, emigration, etc affected the panel.
That's fine, except that happened last year. This is now, several months later.
2. The U-20s need to play in the U-20 championship on Wednesday.
I totally get that, and I agree with it. Survival in Division 3 is now a lost cause. Let the U-20s give the U-20 championship their best shot. But here's my point: it wasn't suddenly announced that the U-20 championship was about to start. The dates for the games would have been flagged well in advance I'm sure. The Galway game wasn't a surprise.
3. There's been an injury crisis.
I can't fault anyone for an injury crisis. Having both goalkeepers out through concussion is bad luck. However, and just using the goalies as an example, they didn't just get hurt on Thursday night (or the other injured players either). Management would have been aware of their situation well enough before now to be able to source a goalkeeper or two from one or two of the 23 clubs up and down the county. How was the panel put together? Were there trials? I'm sure more than two goalies turned up. If the third-, fourth-, etc choice goalie was let go from the panel, did no-one contact them to say "Look, we've an issue here, can you be available on Sunday"? Of course they could have said no, but did anyone come looking for them? The same with the outfield players. They didn't all wake up on Friday morning with sore arms or legs or whatever.
Poacher and co would have been aware the team was in trouble. Did they only have 22 in the panel for the Offaly game? Why were they not trying to bolster their numbers after that? Or even before then, especially if they knew the U-20s were going to be gone? Now I'm no expert, but I'm sure there'd have been enough lads who want to play for Leitrim, whose ambition is to make the county team, and who'd have bitten Poacher's hand off for an opportunity to make an impression on the field of play in a proper competitive competition against opponents with something to play for (with Fermanagh at the wrong end of the Division 3 table and not safe until after they got the walkover). And those players would have earned a ton of respect and gratitude for stepping into the breach.
But was anyone approached? They should have found someone to fill the vacant positions. I think eyes were seriously off the ball for this one. If Jim Gavin or Jim McGuiness were managing us and we were hit with an injury crisis and mass withdrawals, and they were going to let the U-20s away from the panel, you can be sure they would have a backup plan in place." Totally agree with all these points made, while I feel for Leitrims predicament definitely this crisis didn't just appear Friday.
Also the 6 under 20s kinda can't play v Sligo next Sunday based on this same principle taken by management
macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1158 - 17/03/2025 11:24:39
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Arising from this crisis there is opportunity. We have to grasp it otherwise football will die out in the county and, much like our hurlers, we'll be left with a handful of clubs that are kept going by diehards. It won't happen overnight but it has been happening for the past 15 years and will continue unless its addressed honestly. I appreciate that it may be difficult to accept this but we have to confront reality and stop burying our heads in the sand. If you think I'm exaggerating then ask yourself this. Did you foresee this day?
There are some of us who have been warning about this but we're condemned as negative. It gives me no pleasure to see what's happening. I'll be the first one to praise those in power if and when they grasp the nettle.
The endless cycle of new managers being brought in and expected to work miracles is an absolute folly. We have much bigger problems than a group of players being poorly managed. Rather than meeting the criteria that defines insanity again and again, we'd be much better off commissioning a group of people to examine where we are going wrong. The number one criteria is that they are independent and impartial. With all due respect to possible candidates, they cannot be from Leitrim. If we are serious about this we need impartiality. We're loathe to offend and we need to hear the unvarnished truth about where we're going wrong. If you think at this stage that we're doing it right then you're deluded.
ThePowerhouse (Leitrim) - Posts: 203 - 17/03/2025 11:57:12
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Replying To ThePowerhouse: "Arising from this crisis there is opportunity. We have to grasp it otherwise football will die out in the county and, much like our hurlers, we'll be left with a handful of clubs that are kept going by diehards. It won't happen overnight but it has been happening for the past 15 years and will continue unless its addressed honestly. I appreciate that it may be difficult to accept this but we have to confront reality and stop burying our heads in the sand. If you think I'm exaggerating then ask yourself this. Did you foresee this day?
There are some of us who have been warning about this but we're condemned as negative. It gives me no pleasure to see what's happening. I'll be the first one to praise those in power if and when they grasp the nettle.
The endless cycle of new managers being brought in and expected to work miracles is an absolute folly. We have much bigger problems than a group of players being poorly managed. Rather than meeting the criteria that defines insanity again and again, we'd be much better off commissioning a group of people to examine where we are going wrong. The number one criteria is that they are independent and impartial. With all due respect to possible candidates, they cannot be from Leitrim. If we are serious about this we need impartiality. We're loathe to offend and we need to hear the unvarnished truth about where we're going wrong. If you think at this stage that we're doing it right then you're deluded." It's not hard to see where we're going wrong. Too many clubs are being run by 'diehards'. When's all the fresh energy going to coming through? We had to beg a previous secretary to come back that's how bad it was. We've ****** away the best part of 250k in the past 3 years and have achieved nothing worth while talking about. It's time things were taken in house, invest the money in coaching & supporting clubs to do that. Conversations will have to be had in the near future about the amount of clubs we have and if same are fit for purpose. No point having clubs barely being able to put out teams anymore. The ladies of the county have done it right but they had to reach rock bottom to get there also. Clubs had to amalgamate to carry on. It will happen for the men as well & perhaps this will wake people up to this fact. I know our chairman is very aware of the challenges and god knows I wish him luck.
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The laughing stock of the whole country once again, this is lower than losing to New York in 2023. the Hurlers have two clubs to pick from, have they ever forfeited a game? Leitrim CB and management can look for sympathy and use injury / U20 Championship excuses all they want but it will fall on deaf ear for the majority of Leitrim Supporters. The 20-25 years of neglect and stagnation of the county board and underage structures have now come to fruition.
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Replying To funnyfella: "The laughing stock of the whole country once again, this is lower than losing to New York in 2023. the Hurlers have two clubs to pick from, have they ever forfeited a game? Leitrim CB and management can look for sympathy and use injury / U20 Championship excuses all they want but it will fall on deaf ear for the majority of Leitrim Supporters. The 20-25 years of neglect and stagnation of the county board and underage structures have now come to fruition." Conceding the game the same weekend as the county boards big fundraiser. You couldn't make it up.
People deserve a real explanation from the county board with what is going on, if they are going to be begging money from the supporters.
williesboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 481 - 17/03/2025 15:30:43
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I'm following this story and I think it's terrible that it has happened.maybe it has happened but I don't remember any county giving a walk over in a league game..
I know there is a decent under 20 team but if results go against them,will this make the situation worse?a lot of smaller counties go for a big name manager but if you look at successful counties they are almost always from inside.
Huge mistake when Andy Moran was appointed,I see he's now on the sideline as a coach with Monaghan.would there be people inside the county who would have Leitrim football as a priority?
I hope I'm wrong but it looks like a long road back..
CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2485 - 17/03/2025 18:04:59
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Replying To gaelsboy: "Other than COVID, has any other county side conceded a competitive game in recent times? I doubt it. I refuse to believe that noone could be sourced to fulfil the fixture, they never tried to contact anyone outside the panel if truth was told." Fermanagh travelled with just 16 players to Clare and fulfilled the fixture during Covid.
Even if Fermanagh would have hammered Leitrim at the weekend I would suspect it would have been forgotten a lot quicker than not feeling.
What impact will it have on future players psych in years to come? Will it teach them just to throw in the towel when things get tough?
peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1170 - 17/03/2025 18:32:03
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Replying To ThePowerhouse: "Arising from this crisis there is opportunity. We have to grasp it otherwise football will die out in the county and, much like our hurlers, we'll be left with a handful of clubs that are kept going by diehards. It won't happen overnight but it has been happening for the past 15 years and will continue unless its addressed honestly. I appreciate that it may be difficult to accept this but we have to confront reality and stop burying our heads in the sand. If you think I'm exaggerating then ask yourself this. Did you foresee this day?
There are some of us who have been warning about this but we're condemned as negative. It gives me no pleasure to see what's happening. I'll be the first one to praise those in power if and when they grasp the nettle.
The endless cycle of new managers being brought in and expected to work miracles is an absolute folly. We have much bigger problems than a group of players being poorly managed. Rather than meeting the criteria that defines insanity again and again, we'd be much better off commissioning a group of people to examine where we are going wrong. The number one criteria is that they are independent and impartial. With all due respect to possible candidates, they cannot be from Leitrim. If we are serious about this we need impartiality. We're loathe to offend and we need to hear the unvarnished truth about where we're going wrong. If you think at this stage that we're doing it right then you're deluded." Hear hear!! 100%
3rdmidfielder (Australia) - Posts: 393 - 17/03/2025 18:50:09
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When people criticise the county board here, what exactly is their issue with them. It never seems to be specific.
Players have never been so well looked after it seems, with new facilities opened for them etc,
So what is it the county board hasn't been doing that needs to be done?
boxtyburgerbuns (Leitrim) - Posts: 190 - 17/03/2025 19:08:46
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Replying To boxtyburgerbuns: "When people criticise the county board here, what exactly is their issue with them. It never seems to be specific.
Players have never been so well looked after it seems, with new facilities opened for them etc,
So what is it the county board hasn't been doing that needs to be done?" Blowing any bit of money they have raised the ladt you could say 10 years on management with no long term vision. Underage a mess, haven't been in a connaught underage final in how long was it 2001 the last minor final we appeared it. Not going digging up old ground but I've said it numerous times here why bother ejth the senior team not as more evident as this weekend, all they county board cared about this weekend was the poxy Quid Games, why should people bother supporting the county board when they let this happen. I csnt recall what club it was few years ago in Armagh they couldn't field but instead of throwing the game they got fellas to come and line up anyways to fulfill the fixture. Club teams genuinely struggling wete hit with big fines for not seeing out league fixtures within our own county in recent times. The seniors should be turfed outta the tailteann cup after that
Taytofoley83 (Leitrim) - Posts: 36 - 17/03/2025 19:34:42
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Replying To boxtyburgerbuns: "When people criticise the county board here, what exactly is their issue with them. It never seems to be specific.
Players have never been so well looked after it seems, with new facilities opened for them etc,
So what is it the county board hasn't been doing that needs to be done?" A question I would love to hear answered, for sure. There seemed to be widespread acceptance of the new manager if not great enthusiasm,. The board were under pressure due to the circumstances. In 2017 a Mayo management in year 1 with the team, got to AI final and lost by a point to the greatest team we have ever seen who were probably at the peak of their reign. That management were removed as it was deemed not good enough.
Keephimthere (Roscommon) - Posts: 116 - 17/03/2025 19:35:08
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Replying To ThePowerhouse: "Arising from this crisis there is opportunity. We have to grasp it otherwise football will die out in the county and, much like our hurlers, we'll be left with a handful of clubs that are kept going by diehards. It won't happen overnight but it has been happening for the past 15 years and will continue unless its addressed honestly. I appreciate that it may be difficult to accept this but we have to confront reality and stop burying our heads in the sand. If you think I'm exaggerating then ask yourself this. Did you foresee this day?
There are some of us who have been warning about this but we're condemned as negative. It gives me no pleasure to see what's happening. I'll be the first one to praise those in power if and when they grasp the nettle.
The endless cycle of new managers being brought in and expected to work miracles is an absolute folly. We have much bigger problems than a group of players being poorly managed. Rather than meeting the criteria that defines insanity again and again, we'd be much better off commissioning a group of people to examine where we are going wrong. The number one criteria is that they are independent and impartial. With all due respect to possible candidates, they cannot be from Leitrim. If we are serious about this we need impartiality. We're loathe to offend and we need to hear the unvarnished truth about where we're going wrong. If you think at this stage that we're doing it right then you're deluded." Did they not try that before??
If memory serves me, former GAA President Liam O Neill was appointed to conduct a review of everything from top to bottom after Mayo gave Leitrim a serious clipping in the Connacht championship during the Covid years.
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Replying To Taytofoley83: "Blowing any bit of money they have raised the ladt you could say 10 years on management with no long term vision. Underage a mess, haven't been in a connaught underage final in how long was it 2001 the last minor final we appeared it. Not going digging up old ground but I've said it numerous times here why bother ejth the senior team not as more evident as this weekend, all they county board cared about this weekend was the poxy Quid Games, why should people bother supporting the county board when they let this happen. I csnt recall what club it was few years ago in Armagh they couldn't field but instead of throwing the game they got fellas to come and line up anyways to fulfill the fixture. Club teams genuinely struggling wete hit with big fines for not seeing out league fixtures within our own county in recent times. The seniors should be turfed outta the tailteann cup after that" That game was Dromintee vs Crossmaglen in the 2014 Armagh senior championship quarterfinals. The Dromintee boys had a wedding and their requests for a rescheduling were ignored, so they turned up, some of them wearing jeans, and got destroyed rather than face a suspension.
https://hoganstand.com/article/index/224632
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1156 - 18/03/2025 00:49:21
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Replying To Keephimthere: "A question I would love to hear answered, for sure. There seemed to be widespread acceptance of the new manager if not great enthusiasm,. The board were under pressure due to the circumstances. In 2017 a Mayo management in year 1 with the team, got to AI final and lost by a point to the greatest team we have ever seen who were probably at the peak of their reign. That management were removed as it was deemed not good enough." In 2017 Steohen Rochford was in year 2. He was not removed after the 2017 final. He managed again in 2018.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11510 - 18/03/2025 06:46:52
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Would not be blaming the players really.
Jobs
College
Going Abroad
Injuries
Women.
The conditions have to be there for these lads as well.
sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2919 - 18/03/2025 09:27:03
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Replying To Keephimthere: "A question I would love to hear answered, for sure. There seemed to be widespread acceptance of the new manager if not great enthusiasm,. The board were under pressure due to the circumstances. In 2017 a Mayo management in year 1 with the team, got to AI final and lost by a point to the greatest team we have ever seen who were probably at the peak of their reign. That management were removed as it was deemed not good enough." I am assuming you are talking about 2015. That management team did not make a final.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8331 - 18/03/2025 09:27:33
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