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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Safety net from what though? Being called 'Intermediate'? Whichever team finishes bottom of this group is going down to Intermediate anyway.
The 8 teams, plus the top 8 current intermediate teams would be a competitive championship.
A lot of them can beat each other on a given day, so I don't see the scenario of there being 1 or 2 dominant teams who go up and down each year."
If they finish bottom then they deserve to be Intermediate.
The scenario of having 16 very strong Intermediate teams would be a disaster for Junior Clubs trying to promote hurling I.e Ballygar, Annaghdown, Sylane, Skehana/Mountbellew, Salthill-K, MB, Barna-F,An Spidéal because they would never get the chance to play Intermediate. The Junior A would have whoever getting relegated from Intermediate winning it the following year ect etc.
Senior B acts as a bridge between Senior and Intermediate

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1762 - 06/10/2022 12:15:22    2442974

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Safety net from what though? Being called 'Intermediate'? Whichever team finishes bottom of this group is going down to Intermediate anyway.
The 8 teams, plus the top 8 current intermediate teams would be a competitive championship.
A lot of them can beat each other on a given day, so I don't see the scenario of there being 1 or 2 dominant teams who go up and down each year."
The next logical step is that the 8 teams in Senior B plus top 8 in Intermediate to form a new 16 team Premier Intermediate competition over next few years with winners going on to the provincial championship..The remaining 8 plus few remaining pure Junior clubs and Senior clubs second teams to make up Premier Junior.

This is what happened in Tipperary who had two Senior competitions going but now will have winners of Premier Intermediate represent them in the Munster Intermediate championship.

Medals (Galway) - Posts: 18 - 06/10/2022 12:15:43    2442975

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Replying To katser:  "If they finish bottom then they deserve to be Intermediate.
The scenario of having 16 very strong Intermediate teams would be a disaster for Junior Clubs trying to promote hurling I.e Ballygar, Annaghdown, Sylane, Skehana/Mountbellew, Salthill-K, MB, Barna-F,An Spidéal because they would never get the chance to play Intermediate. The Junior A would have whoever getting relegated from Intermediate winning it the following year ect etc.
Senior B acts as a bridge between Senior and Intermediate"
I'm from one of those clubs you've listed and I don't think it would be a disaster at all. If the top of junior is the level of those teams, then they'll be playing teams of a similar level and striving to improve. Intermediate is just a label. Your ranking in the county will still be what it is.
It'll never be as simple as the relegated intermediate team goes up the following year every time. That doesn't happen currently and won't under the new structure either. There will always be variation, teams improving or regressing year over year etc.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1579 - 06/10/2022 13:11:53    2442988

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "I'm from one of those clubs you've listed and I don't think it would be a disaster at all. If the top of junior is the level of those teams, then they'll be playing teams of a similar level and striving to improve. Intermediate is just a label. Your ranking in the county will still be what it is.
It'll never be as simple as the relegated intermediate team goes up the following year every time. That doesn't happen currently and won't under the new structure either. There will always be variation, teams improving or regressing year over year etc."
The structure of the proposal from County Board meant the proposal was doomed from the outset, by design who knows. They were automatically relegating all Second Teams from Intermediate to Junior A, regardless of how they performed this year. Then creating a standalone Junior first team only grade for Championship whereby these teams would never play say East Galway teams was never a runner. Any re-structure needs to be on merit. Keep Junior A to the next best 16 Teams after Intermediate is a far better proposal than segregating certain clubs. Most clubs whose first team is Intermediate or Junior A rejected the proposal on this basis. As did some big clubs given their second teams were being demoted without the possibility to be promoted above Junior A.

bogmaster19 (Galway) - Posts: 14 - 06/10/2022 13:31:02    2442995

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "I'm from one of those clubs you've listed and I don't think it would be a disaster at all. If the top of junior is the level of those teams, then they'll be playing teams of a similar level and striving to improve. Intermediate is just a label. Your ranking in the county will still be what it is.
It'll never be as simple as the relegated intermediate team goes up the following year every time. That doesn't happen currently and won't under the new structure either. There will always be variation, teams improving or regressing year over year etc."
The Junior A would be those Clubs mentioned plus let's say Kiltormer, Kilbeacanty then Turlough,Clarinbridge, Cashel,Craughwell,Athenry all 2nd Teams.
It would be extremely difficult for Junior Clubs to make the breakthrough upto Intermediate.
For example if Sylane were told next year your dropping down to Junior A with all those teams...I don't think they would like it after getting to Intermediate Semi Final this year.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1762 - 06/10/2022 14:55:36    2443004

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Katser,only na piasaigh and killmallock in limerick have managed to get out of juinor in limerick hurling with their second team..juinor hurling in limerick is very competitive and is s great competition..the best competition is probably the premier intermediate as any of the 8 teams involved can win it..it took a while for teams to get used to new set up but in all fairness it hasn't damaged our hurling in the last 10 years..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 1782 - 06/10/2022 15:47:36    2443012

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Replying To katser:  "The Junior A would be those Clubs mentioned plus let's say Kiltormer, Kilbeacanty then Turlough,Clarinbridge, Cashel,Craughwell,Athenry all 2nd Teams.
It would be extremely difficult for Junior Clubs to make the breakthrough upto Intermediate.
For example if Sylane were told next year your dropping down to Junior A with all those teams...I don't think they would like it after getting to Intermediate Semi Final this year."
If Junior A is made up of the current top 8 junior teams and bottom 8 Intermediate teams, then Sylane wouldn't be in that group having made the top 8 (and top 4) of Intermediate this year.
However, if they then got relegated to Junior the following year, it would be performance based so properly on merit.
There would be a properly competitive Junior A championship too.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1579 - 06/10/2022 16:54:32    2443031

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "If Junior A is made up of the current top 8 junior teams and bottom 8 Intermediate teams, then Sylane wouldn't be in that group having made the top 8 (and top 4) of Intermediate this year.
However, if they then got relegated to Junior the following year, it would be performance based so properly on merit.
There would be a properly competitive Junior A championship too."
Let's say Sylane would be Intermediate with Beagh,Padraig Pearses, Athenry, Liam Mellows, Mullagh, Tynagh/Abbey-Duniry,Kilnadeema-Leitrim, Ahasragh-Fohenagh, Meelick-Eyrecourt, Killimor, Rahoon-Newcastle, Kinvara, Abbeyknockmoy, Turloughmore 2nd,Craughwell 2nd.
They would probably get 2 years of absolute hammerings before being relegated to Junior A

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1762 - 06/10/2022 18:50:35    2443042

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The split season really working out well Mellows v Moycullen on under lights in wind and rain on a Thursday night ,,makes zero sense lads in college and working, 6 teams in group 4 still qualify for something they definitely make hard work out of it and I'm sure before it all finished some team will object about something ,,

Kickitout (Galway) - Posts: 639 - 06/10/2022 19:48:06    2443044

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Replying To CillTormoir:  "counterargument for the sake of debate. It does go 16/16/16 and you end up with 1 or 2 strong teams in intermediate, like a step or 2 above the rest, how is that different than current set up with senior B? rest of the 14 teams havent a snowballs chance of winning Inter. so they are in limbo also? youll say sure they'll be getting competitive matches, but the new proposed SNRB looks competitive ? The Intermediate championship this year was competitive imo. (bar knockout games for the senior clubs intermediates)"
I agree inter was competitive but it was shocking hurling outside of the four simi finalists the rest are very poor hurling teams. If you took top 8 inter teams and senior B 8 then you might have a worthwhile chance of a proper inter championship IMO

SupermanSub (Galway) - Posts: 35 - 06/10/2022 19:54:18    2443046

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Savage win for moycullen here in Duggan park to send mellows packing.

Is the double on??

thecut (Galway) - Posts: 331 - 06/10/2022 21:08:26    2443054

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "If Junior A is made up of the current top 8 junior teams and bottom 8 Intermediate teams, then Sylane wouldn't be in that group having made the top 8 (and top 4) of Intermediate this year.
However, if they then got relegated to Junior the following year, it would be performance based so properly on merit.
There would be a properly competitive Junior A championship too."
The current system is not there to protect the interests of Sylane or any other non Senior club. It is there for the political expedient purpose of continuing the illusion that a lot of clubs are Senior when in fact they are not. The vast majority haven't a pup's chance of winning the Senior Championship.
Sylane are to be congratulated for what they have achieved. It is the only place in Galway apart from An Spideal where hurling has spread in my lifetime.
A proper structure should be in place that reflects reality, with hard won promotion on offer every year with deserved relegation delivered where relevant as well.

SixtiesKid (Galway) - Posts: 230 - 06/10/2022 21:14:42    2443055

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "If Junior A is made up of the current top 8 junior teams and bottom 8 Intermediate teams, then Sylane wouldn't be in that group having made the top 8 (and top 4) of Intermediate this year.
However, if they then got relegated to Junior the following year, it would be performance based so properly on merit.
There would be a properly competitive Junior A championship too."
But that was the issue. What you note wasn't the proposal. It was having in essence two Junior championships. One for Junior 1st Teams which after this year would have included Salthill, Skehana, Annaghdown, Ballygar, Barna, Kiltormer etc. These teams would play a separate Junior Champ and would not include any second teams e.g. Craughwell, Clarinbridge etc. Then second teams had a separate Junior champ, with no ability to be promoted to Intermediate. If it was done whereby Junior A included all teams as it stands at present, then appetite would have been far greater for change.

bogmaster19 (Galway) - Posts: 14 - 07/10/2022 09:04:55    2443065

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Replying To bogmaster19:  "But that was the issue. What you note wasn't the proposal. It was having in essence two Junior championships. One for Junior 1st Teams which after this year would have included Salthill, Skehana, Annaghdown, Ballygar, Barna, Kiltormer etc. These teams would play a separate Junior Champ and would not include any second teams e.g. Craughwell, Clarinbridge etc. Then second teams had a separate Junior champ, with no ability to be promoted to Intermediate. If it was done whereby Junior A included all teams as it stands at present, then appetite would have been far greater for change."
Agree 100%. A simple 1-16 Senior, 17-32 Intermediate and 33-48 Junior A. If some of those teams are second teams, then that shouldn't matter. The lads training and playing for those teams deserve the chance at promotion too.
The only caveat would be that a second team can't be promoted to the same to the same level as their first team. This is already in operation and to be honest, it hasn't been likely in recent years anyway.
The closest case we've had is in football, with Corofin's intermediates.
There's also the case that second team can't represent the county in the All-Ireland series, if they were to win the Junior championship. That's a national GAA rule, so the next best first team would need to be determined.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1579 - 07/10/2022 10:23:18    2443075

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Agree 100%. A simple 1-16 Senior, 17-32 Intermediate and 33-48 Junior A. If some of those teams are second teams, then that shouldn't matter. The lads training and playing for those teams deserve the chance at promotion too.
The only caveat would be that a second team can't be promoted to the same to the same level as their first team. This is already in operation and to be honest, it hasn't been likely in recent years anyway.
The closest case we've had is in football, with Corofin's intermediates.
There's also the case that second team can't represent the county in the All-Ireland series, if they were to win the Junior championship. That's a national GAA rule, so the next best first team would need to be determined."
Got it in one.
There is no other solution

SixtiesKid (Galway) - Posts: 230 - 07/10/2022 11:39:44    2443089

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Replying To katser:  "Let's say Sylane would be Intermediate with Beagh,Padraig Pearses, Athenry, Liam Mellows, Mullagh, Tynagh/Abbey-Duniry,Kilnadeema-Leitrim, Ahasragh-Fohenagh, Meelick-Eyrecourt, Killimor, Rahoon-Newcastle, Kinvara, Abbeyknockmoy, Turloughmore 2nd,Craughwell 2nd.
They would probably get 2 years of absolute hammerings before being relegated to Junior A"
If any team got "2 years of absolute hammerings" well then why on earth should they not be relegated.
Your argument against the 16+16+16 is very weak. We want the best for Galway hurling, its not a playground where everyone gets a medal no matter how good you are. If your not good enough, then you need to train harder, put in more work, develop more juveniles. Or else some of the clubs could amalgamate like Mulltormer, its one way of staying competitive.

clare_sparrow (Galway) - Posts: 357 - 07/10/2022 13:20:02    2443100

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Replying To clare_sparrow:  "If any team got "2 years of absolute hammerings" well then why on earth should they not be relegated.
Your argument against the 16+16+16 is very weak. We want the best for Galway hurling, its not a playground where everyone gets a medal no matter how good you are. If your not good enough, then you need to train harder, put in more work, develop more juveniles. Or else some of the clubs could amalgamate like Mulltormer, its one way of staying competitive."
It doesn't make a difference whats said here because its not going to change so We just have to accept it...16 Senior, 8 Senior B and 16 Intermediate suits me perfectly anyhow!!
Also it's not the Clubs fault that their was too many Senior teams in the first place.
It was the Hurling Board idea they put it out to the Clubs and the delegates said hell ya we will have 24 Senior teams no problem

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1762 - 07/10/2022 15:56:20    2443136

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Replying To katser:  "It doesn't make a difference whats said here because its not going to change so We just have to accept it...16 Senior, 8 Senior B and 16 Intermediate suits me perfectly anyhow!!
Also it's not the Clubs fault that their was too many Senior teams in the first place.
It was the Hurling Board idea they put it out to the Clubs and the delegates said hell ya we will have 24 Senior teams no problem"
It's not about what suits you. It should be about what's best for hurling in the county. A made up competition clearly isn't what's best for hurling.

TanCanRan (Galway) - Posts: 109 - 07/10/2022 20:10:55    2443158

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Replying To TanCanRan:  "It's not about what suits you. It should be about what's best for hurling in the county. A made up competition clearly isn't what's best for hurling."
Nothing will be done about it. The new format starts next year .

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1762 - 07/10/2022 21:37:12    2443161

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Replying To Kickitout:  "The split season really working out well Mellows v Moycullen on under lights in wind and rain on a Thursday night ,,makes zero sense lads in college and working, 6 teams in group 4 still qualify for something they definitely make hard work out of it and I'm sure before it all finished some team will object about something ,,"
I think maybe that post did'nt age to well given what we witnessed on Thursday night.Cracking game of hurling,. irrespective of who won ,played in a great atmosphere.4 teams qualifying obviously is only for this year given that the championship is being restructured Split season is working out very well so far for players,its giving them a degree of certainty as to when matches are played. Its also cutting out a lot of unnecessary expense at intercounty level as teams are no longer training all year round. Time will tell I suppose but so far I think it has been a positive move

UtahBlaine (Galway) - Posts: 125 - 08/10/2022 11:16:18    2443173

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