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Replying To katser:  "You can say Goodbye to Moycullen and Athenry for a start.
Turlough, 'Bridge and Cappy will sail into the Quarter Finals!
Whoever draws Craughwell will be delighted because that's a game Ardrahan, Portumna, Liam Mellows or Oranmore-Maree can win."
Very surprised to see Galway GAA fixing a dual club i.e. Athenry games this weekend, their hurlers on Saturday and their football team contesting a North Board final on Sunday. Doesn't say too much for player welfare. Are there not designated weekends and this coming one being a football one!

hashtag2017 (Galway) - Posts: 147 - 03/10/2022 18:08:00    2442697

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Replying To katser:  "Who will win the All East Galway Intermediate Final?
My money is on Meelick-Eyrecourt!
Killimor making great progress the last few years, but they had handy path to Final......Turlough 2nd team and Sylane!
Hon Eyrecourt!!"
Killimor all day long

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 271 - 03/10/2022 21:56:14    2442726

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Replying To CillTormoir:  "If you're asking me do I think Portumna would beat Turlough in the prems, the answer would be yes!...as i said it all depends on draw."
I'd be very surprised if any of the senior B or play-off teams beat Turlough. Portumna have done brilliantly this year and have shown a big progression from the last few years.
They could definitely make the quarters depending on the draw, but I couldn't see it being at the expense of Turloughmore.
Turlough have been playing teams of a much higher standard. In my opinion, the 4 best teams in the county were in the same senior A group. Thomas's, Sarsfields, Clarinbridge and Turlough. As a result, 2 of them weren't going to make the quarter-finals automatically. Last weekend's games were very close and different results could have easily seen Thomas's and Sarsfields in preliminary quarters.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1579 - 04/10/2022 10:44:39    2442744

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Replying To TanCanRan:  "Exactly, this. It's the most embarrassing thing ever that we've invented a competition rather than just call teams exactly what they are."
This is just mental. It does all the other lower tiers a disservice as well because once they get out of Galway they will be playing against a tier higher than they should be and potentially missing out on winning things.

Hurlnothurley (Galway) - Posts: 9 - 04/10/2022 15:56:23    2442797

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Replying To TanCanRan:  "Exactly, this. It's the most embarrassing thing ever that we've invented a competition rather than just call teams exactly what they are."
Exactly. What is this stigma with a club being called intermediate...even Henry Shefflin and Ballyhale were down intermediate in the not too decent past, they seemed to do well since they came up. Some clubs have an awful napoleon complex. Everyone can't be senior.....might as well call intermediate Senior C next year too.

Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 106 - 04/10/2022 20:19:33    2442822

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Lads. Having senior B next year and they not able to compete for Tom Callinan is a farce tbh. what are they playing for?? A chance to get up to senior A. Are the clubs in senior B happy and content with that?

fearruanua (Galway) - Posts: 364 - 05/10/2022 08:56:39    2442833

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "I'd be very surprised if any of the senior B or play-off teams beat Turlough. Portumna have done brilliantly this year and have shown a big progression from the last few years.
They could definitely make the quarters depending on the draw, but I couldn't see it being at the expense of Turloughmore.
Turlough have been playing teams of a much higher standard. In my opinion, the 4 best teams in the county were in the same senior A group. Thomas's, Sarsfields, Clarinbridge and Turlough. As a result, 2 of them weren't going to make the quarter-finals automatically. Last weekend's games were very close and different results could have easily seen Thomas's and Sarsfields in preliminary quarters."
Incorrect as in terms of ranking Loughrea would be 100% ahead of Turlough. Kil-Leitrim beat Turlough in knockout only 12 months ago to back up that point.
Top 4 teams in county at present are St. Thomas's, Clairnbridge, Sarsfields & Loughrea in no particular order with Tom's the team to beat based on experience they have of getting the job done.
After that you'd have Tommie's, Cappy, Craughwell and Turlough imho.
I don't see any of the Senior B teams beating an A team in the pre-lim q-finals again imho.

John Doe (Galway) - Posts: 221 - 05/10/2022 09:03:33    2442835

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Replying To John Doe:  "Incorrect as in terms of ranking Loughrea would be 100% ahead of Turlough. Kil-Leitrim beat Turlough in knockout only 12 months ago to back up that point.
Top 4 teams in county at present are St. Thomas's, Clairnbridge, Sarsfields & Loughrea in no particular order with Tom's the team to beat based on experience they have of getting the job done.
After that you'd have Tommie's, Cappy, Craughwell and Turlough imho.
I don't see any of the Senior B teams beating an A team in the pre-lim q-finals again imho."
I did say in my opinion, I think Turlough are top 4. There's no definitive ranking until the knockouts are done. Loughrea could certainly argue the case, but they've played in a much weaker group. It's harder to judge them until they play one of the top 4 from the first group.
We're also talking about this year, rather than last. Otherwise, I'd argue that Turlough were in the county final 2 years ago.
We can't forget that Turlough absolutely hammered Thomas's a couple of weeks ago. They lost by a point to Sarsfields at the weekend. If that finished level, Turlough would have been in the top 2 in the group. Very small margins and I see little between these teams at the moment. Definitely nothing to state that anyone could be 100% certain about who's in the top 4.
The good news is we'll know a lot more over the coming weeks. It's looking like a more open championship, although I'd expect Thomas's experience to be key as we hit the knockout stages.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1579 - 05/10/2022 10:42:26    2442849

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Replying To fearruanua:  "Lads. Having senior B next year and they not able to compete for Tom Callinan is a farce tbh. what are they playing for?? A chance to get up to senior A. Are the clubs in senior B happy and content with that?"
There should be 16 Senior teams, 16 Intermediate teams and 16 Junior 1 teams.
Simple.
Other counties have no problems with players and clubs playing on a logically structured basis.
Kilkenny have always had All Ireland medals holders playing in Intermediate and Junior ranks.
Galway on the other hand have a lot of low achievers thinking they are Senior when they are not.
It's time to face reality and stop calling Intermediate Senior B.
Call it what it is and get overt it

SixtiesKid (Galway) - Posts: 230 - 05/10/2022 12:35:19    2442864

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Replying To SixtiesKid:  "There should be 16 Senior teams, 16 Intermediate teams and 16 Junior 1 teams.
Simple.
Other counties have no problems with players and clubs playing on a logically structured basis.
Kilkenny have always had All Ireland medals holders playing in Intermediate and Junior ranks.
Galway on the other hand have a lot of low achievers thinking they are Senior when they are not.
It's time to face reality and stop calling Intermediate Senior B.
Call it what it is and get overt it"
A significant portion of the 2017 team were playing Intermediate that year. I think its a fair allegation to make at some clubs but not all clubs. Some clubs have no problem going down intermediate and fighting to come back up after. But certain clubs have notions and would rather be called senior b. the 16 + 16 + 16 approach would be best in my opinion also.

clare_sparrow (Galway) - Posts: 357 - 05/10/2022 14:22:57    2442878

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Replying To SixtiesKid:  "There should be 16 Senior teams, 16 Intermediate teams and 16 Junior 1 teams.
Simple.
Other counties have no problems with players and clubs playing on a logically structured basis.
Kilkenny have always had All Ireland medals holders playing in Intermediate and Junior ranks.
Galway on the other hand have a lot of low achievers thinking they are Senior when they are not.
It's time to face reality and stop calling Intermediate Senior B.
Call it what it is and get overt it"
It's just a perpetual limbo for those 8 teams. That seems like it would be a miserable place to be. Wouldn't be surprised to see teams not put up much of a fight to go down to "Intermediate" if they lose a game at the start. 16 teams for each tier makes loads of sense.

Hurlnothurley (Galway) - Posts: 9 - 05/10/2022 14:54:28    2442883

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Replying To Hurlnothurley:  "It's just a perpetual limbo for those 8 teams. That seems like it would be a miserable place to be. Wouldn't be surprised to see teams not put up much of a fight to go down to "Intermediate" if they lose a game at the start. 16 teams for each tier makes loads of sense."
It was the clubs that voted for it a tier 2 senior championship some of the ones that voted for it are traditional clubs too who probably will never have to worry about being relegated. After a year or two clubs will realise the mistake that was made I think some have figured it out now already

SupermanSub (Galway) - Posts: 35 - 05/10/2022 16:35:29    2442905

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Replying To SupermanSub:  "It was the clubs that voted for it a tier 2 senior championship some of the ones that voted for it are traditional clubs too who probably will never have to worry about being relegated. After a year or two clubs will realise the mistake that was made I think some have figured it out now already"
Next years format just stinks of another change 2/3 years down the line when they realise its been a failed vernture. Such a pointless championship that senior B one. Not much a carrot at the end of the stick. Should be 16 senior, 16 intermediate, 16 junior A. Why does something so logical seem so illogical to the board....all because clubs afraid of the word Intermediate or junior. There's a reason there's different divisons, it's performance based.

Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 106 - 05/10/2022 19:41:07    2442925

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Replying To SixtiesKid:  "There should be 16 Senior teams, 16 Intermediate teams and 16 Junior 1 teams.
Simple.
Other counties have no problems with players and clubs playing on a logically structured basis.
Kilkenny have always had All Ireland medals holders playing in Intermediate and Junior ranks.
Galway on the other hand have a lot of low achievers thinking they are Senior when they are not.
It's time to face reality and stop calling Intermediate Senior B.
Call it what it is and get overt it"
I know a few people who hurl in Galway and they've always looked down at Intermediate and made it known what they think of it. Snobbery so to speak. It's not just limited to Galway tho. Nicky English won 6 All stars and to the best of my knowledge only played junior club hurling.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3670 - 06/10/2022 09:34:39    2442938

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Replying To SupermanSub:  "It was the clubs that voted for it a tier 2 senior championship some of the ones that voted for it are traditional clubs too who probably will never have to worry about being relegated. After a year or two clubs will realise the mistake that was made I think some have figured it out now already"
counterargument for the sake of debate. It does go 16/16/16 and you end up with 1 or 2 strong teams in intermediate, like a step or 2 above the rest, how is that different than current set up with senior B? rest of the 14 teams havent a snowballs chance of winning Inter. so they are in limbo also? youll say sure they'll be getting competitive matches, but the new proposed SNRB looks competitive ? The Intermediate championship this year was competitive imo. (bar knockout games for the senior clubs intermediates)

CillTormoir (Galway) - Posts: 445 - 06/10/2022 10:24:09    2442945

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Replying To CillTormoir:  "counterargument for the sake of debate. It does go 16/16/16 and you end up with 1 or 2 strong teams in intermediate, like a step or 2 above the rest, how is that different than current set up with senior B? rest of the 14 teams havent a snowballs chance of winning Inter. so they are in limbo also? youll say sure they'll be getting competitive matches, but the new proposed SNRB looks competitive ? The Intermediate championship this year was competitive imo. (bar knockout games for the senior clubs intermediates)"
I agree inter was competitive but it was shocking hurling outside of the four simi finalists the rest are very poor hurling teams. If you took top 8 inter teams and senior B 8 then you might have a worthwhile chance of a proper inter championship IMO

SupermanSub (Galway) - Posts: 35 - 06/10/2022 10:52:31    2442948

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Replying To CillTormoir:  "counterargument for the sake of debate. It does go 16/16/16 and you end up with 1 or 2 strong teams in intermediate, like a step or 2 above the rest, how is that different than current set up with senior B? rest of the 14 teams havent a snowballs chance of winning Inter. so they are in limbo also? youll say sure they'll be getting competitive matches, but the new proposed SNRB looks competitive ? The Intermediate championship this year was competitive imo. (bar knockout games for the senior clubs intermediates)"
The new Senior B will be extremely competitive and so will the Intermediate with the likes of Abbeyknockmoy, Kinvara, Ahasragh-Fohenagh, Carnmore, Ballindeeren, Killimor, Rahoon-Newcastle and then possibly Beagh, Padraig Pearses, Gort and Kilconerion dropping down to Intermediate over the next few years!
Try pick a winner out of those Intermediate teams!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1762 - 06/10/2022 11:02:34    2442952

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Replying To CillTormoir:  "counterargument for the sake of debate. It does go 16/16/16 and you end up with 1 or 2 strong teams in intermediate, like a step or 2 above the rest, how is that different than current set up with senior B? rest of the 14 teams havent a snowballs chance of winning Inter. so they are in limbo also? youll say sure they'll be getting competitive matches, but the new proposed SNRB looks competitive ? The Intermediate championship this year was competitive imo. (bar knockout games for the senior clubs intermediates)"
The Senior B could become a 8 team All East Galway safety net competition over the next few years with the likes of Meelick-Eyrecourt, Portumna, Killimor, Mullagh, Tynagh/Abbey-Duniry, Kilnadeema-Leitrim, Killimordaly and Tommy Larkins

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1762 - 06/10/2022 11:10:08    2442955

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Replying To katser:  "The Senior B could become a 8 team All East Galway safety net competition over the next few years with the likes of Meelick-Eyrecourt, Portumna, Killimor, Mullagh, Tynagh/Abbey-Duniry, Kilnadeema-Leitrim, Killimordaly and Tommy Larkins"
Safety net from what though? Being called 'Intermediate'? Whichever team finishes bottom of this group is going down to Intermediate anyway.
The 8 teams, plus the top 8 current intermediate teams would be a competitive championship.
A lot of them can beat each other on a given day, so I don't see the scenario of there being 1 or 2 dominant teams who go up and down each year.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1579 - 06/10/2022 11:20:06    2442960

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Replying To katser:  "The new Senior B will be extremely competitive and so will the Intermediate with the likes of Abbeyknockmoy, Kinvara, Ahasragh-Fohenagh, Carnmore, Ballindeeren, Killimor, Rahoon-Newcastle and then possibly Beagh, Padraig Pearses, Gort and Kilconerion dropping down to Intermediate over the next few years!
Try pick a winner out of those Intermediate teams!"
IMO the teams you mentioned are very poor & who would not be making any mark on the proposed 16/16 that people are suggesting, as i said already theyll be in Limbo. Perhaps A-K-M & Ahas/Fog could compete with the 8 in SNRB. Ballindeeren didnt qualify from group this year. Rahoon can trouble teams one year and look like theyll be junior the following year. Kinvara (with Whelan) couldnt beat Sylane this year and are a junior team overall. It seems to be gripes here with wording of comp rather than set up. If it was renamed away from 'Senior B' I wouldnt see many complaining with structure? Pearses, Gort, Beagh and possibly Kilconerion would eat any of the above mentioned teams

CillTormoir (Galway) - Posts: 445 - 06/10/2022 12:12:49    2442972

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