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Replying To Ciotog10:  "Why not appoint a committee to decide on championship structure then rather than clubs? Clubs pushing for this system either out of touch with players or couldn't give a damn about football. Because this system may suit a majority hurling club who doesn't have a high turnover of dual players but it certainly doesn't suit a club who relies on the same players for both and wants to put a good effort into both. While this is a democratic system in name, it is anything but in practicality. A great system if you want your county team and club players to be injured or burnt out though! Too many games in too short a time frame."
Majority of clubs asked the players for their preference - I'd prefer it's the clubs making decisions based on players input instead of a few lads appointed on to a committee - whos says that committee won't be "out of touch". Yes there are a lot of games in a short frame but most players delighted with that as training to game ratio was a serious issue. Injuries will always happen

grassroots01 (Wexford) - Posts: 84 - 30/08/2022 09:38:43    2439113

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Replying To grassroots01:  "Majority of clubs asked the players for their preference - I'd prefer it's the clubs making decisions based on players input instead of a few lads appointed on to a committee - whos says that committee won't be "out of touch". Yes there are a lot of games in a short frame but most players delighted with that as training to game ratio was a serious issue. Injuries will always happen"
The players being asked doesn't mean either that a fair reflection of their thoughts is given or that the club committee will listen to them. The way it works is, couple of players attend meeting, give their opinion, committee of maybe 30 people votes and gives opinion to county board. That to me is very messy and can be done much better.
I don't know if any real dual player who would vote to possibly play 16 weeks out of 17 all important championship games. Five group games in both codes is too much, simple as that. It's fine if you are a one code player but that is not the case for many clubs in Wexford.

Ciotog10 (Wexford) - Posts: 5 - 30/08/2022 10:12:44    2439122

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Replying To grassroots01:  "Majority of clubs asked the players for their preference - I'd prefer it's the clubs making decisions based on players input instead of a few lads appointed on to a committee - whos says that committee won't be "out of touch". Yes there are a lot of games in a short frame but most players delighted with that as training to game ratio was a serious issue. Injuries will always happen"
The current format as it stands is a bit like Brexit.

It was voted through with a majority of 2 votes so almost half the clubs in the county didnt want it.

Clubs vote whats best for them, nothing else, they dont care one iota about whats best for the game overall in the county and certainly dont care about whats best for the 2nd code overall in the county, and why should they? so certain decisions imho should not be down to the clubs to decide because their focus isnt on whats best for that code overall in the County but whats best for them.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1006 - 30/08/2022 10:47:26    2439125

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I actually dont mind the championship as two groups of 6 but going forward from next year, it needs to go back to two weeks football, two weeks hurling with a break in between and a break before county finals to let there be a build up. Obviously this is depended on getting the Leinster Club Championships being pushed back. At the minute in our club, half the football team are gone away on holidays etc and I'm sure most other teams are the same. The level of football last weekend was so poor, whats happening now is that players are putting off holidays until the football championship so its benefitting no one.

Secondly I think most ppl on here agree, promotion and relegation has to come back into the leagues. At the minute they are pointless when there is nothing on the line. As far as I remember some of the big clubs wanted the current league set up as they were missing players for the league with county teams and didnt wanted to be relegated to a lower league division. I rememebr when I played, our team went up the divisons and played better standards of team, its something we were always proud of. It might mean nothing to the top teams, but the lower teams it gives them something to aim for. Hopefully clubs in the coming AGM can see how poor this decision is and change it back to the promotion-relegation system.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 279 - 30/08/2022 13:44:23    2439157

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Replying To tearintom:  "The current format as it stands is a bit like Brexit.

It was voted through with a majority of 2 votes so almost half the clubs in the county didnt want it.

Clubs vote whats best for them, nothing else, they dont care one iota about whats best for the game overall in the county and certainly dont care about whats best for the 2nd code overall in the county, and why should they? so certain decisions imho should not be down to the clubs to decide because their focus isnt on whats best for that code overall in the County but whats best for them."
You're both correct and incorrect.

Correct that there was only two votes in it. Incorrect that almost the half the clubs didn't want it.

90% or more of the club delegates at that meeting voted for the current system. The votes against were 90% or more from Co. Board officers, District Reps, and other officials, who were instead supporting the CCC proposal to continue with four groups of three.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1037 - 30/08/2022 14:28:55    2439167

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Replying To tearintom:  "The current format as it stands is a bit like Brexit.

It was voted through with a majority of 2 votes so almost half the clubs in the county didnt want it.

Clubs vote whats best for them, nothing else, they dont care one iota about whats best for the game overall in the county and certainly dont care about whats best for the 2nd code overall in the county, and why should they? so certain decisions imho should not be down to the clubs to decide because their focus isnt on whats best for that code overall in the County but whats best for them."
So who should vote for them, and are the county board not a democratic formation of clubs?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 370 - 30/08/2022 16:07:12    2439180

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "I actually dont mind the championship as two groups of 6 but going forward from next year, it needs to go back to two weeks football, two weeks hurling with a break in between and a break before county finals to let there be a build up. Obviously this is depended on getting the Leinster Club Championships being pushed back. At the minute in our club, half the football team are gone away on holidays etc and I'm sure most other teams are the same. The level of football last weekend was so poor, whats happening now is that players are putting off holidays until the football championship so its benefitting no one.

Secondly I think most ppl on here agree, promotion and relegation has to come back into the leagues. At the minute they are pointless when there is nothing on the line. As far as I remember some of the big clubs wanted the current league set up as they were missing players for the league with county teams and didnt wanted to be relegated to a lower league division. I rememebr when I played, our team went up the divisons and played better standards of team, its something we were always proud of. It might mean nothing to the top teams, but the lower teams it gives them something to aim for. Hopefully clubs in the coming AGM can see how poor this decision is and change it back to the promotion-relegation system."
The level of hurling in the first two rounds of the championship were also pretty poor, lads may be missing in the same way as they were for hurling - there were people complaining that because it was the schools holidays it was a bad time as lads had to go on holidays and now you are saying that when the schools are open lads are on holiday as well. The reality is no matter what people will not take holiday all at the same time and trying to accommodate it is a wase of time. Clubs just have to accept it and do the best they can.
The only decision that really needs to be looked at is is the hurling v football split, players want more games, the season is determined by intercounty and you can never be certain if through injury or holidays you have everyone available. Its all an equation that just cannot be solved while there is a small thing called intercounty!

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1493 - 30/08/2022 18:34:40    2439193

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Replying To zinny:  "The level of hurling in the first two rounds of the championship were also pretty poor, lads may be missing in the same way as they were for hurling - there were people complaining that because it was the schools holidays it was a bad time as lads had to go on holidays and now you are saying that when the schools are open lads are on holiday as well. The reality is no matter what people will not take holiday all at the same time and trying to accommodate it is a wase of time. Clubs just have to accept it and do the best they can.
The only decision that really needs to be looked at is is the hurling v football split, players want more games, the season is determined by intercounty and you can never be certain if through injury or holidays you have everyone available. Its all an equation that just cannot be solved while there is a small thing called intercounty!"
The intercounty season has been shortened to address these concerns as best as possible. Clubs always had to do without players due to holidays and injuries. As do intercounty teams though probably not on account of holidays to the same extent. That will never change nor should it. These are amateur sports.
More people watch intercounty games than club games. By their very nature club games are mainly watched by people from where the clubs playing are from. Although I do like the double-header format as I've got to see more other clubs playing than I did years ago. The intercounty championships are probably what get youngsters to take up or stick with hurling or football over soccer and rugby though. Some buzz in a stadium with 20000-60000 or even 80000 people in it for the kids!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5742 - 31/08/2022 10:48:38    2439230

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Replying To Viking66:  "The intercounty season has been shortened to address these concerns as best as possible. Clubs always had to do without players due to holidays and injuries. As do intercounty teams though probably not on account of holidays to the same extent. That will never change nor should it. These are amateur sports.
More people watch intercounty games than club games. By their very nature club games are mainly watched by people from where the clubs playing are from. Although I do like the double-header format as I've got to see more other clubs playing than I did years ago. The intercounty championships are probably what get youngsters to take up or stick with hurling or football over soccer and rugby though. Some buzz in a stadium with 20000-60000 or even 80000 people in it for the kids!"
Agree, so the reality of the situation is that clubs have a window and have to maximise that window for the best of all of the club players. Talk of breaks for holidays etc. is just a waste of time. Good managers will realize that preparation for championship does not just begin when players are in the field and clubs developing a style of play will suit that as players know what is expected of them before they step on on a pitch. If the majority want to stay with the split season, clubs and players need to adapt. In addition the public also need to understand these are not county players and no matter how much prep work has been done not having played a competitive game in months will result in the first couple of games being below what they expect.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1493 - 31/08/2022 11:43:14    2439234

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Replying To zinny:  "Agree, so the reality of the situation is that clubs have a window and have to maximise that window for the best of all of the club players. Talk of breaks for holidays etc. is just a waste of time. Good managers will realize that preparation for championship does not just begin when players are in the field and clubs developing a style of play will suit that as players know what is expected of them before they step on on a pitch. If the majority want to stay with the split season, clubs and players need to adapt. In addition the public also need to understand these are not county players and no matter how much prep work has been done not having played a competitive game in months will result in the first couple of games being below what they expect."
For sure. Its completely unreasonable for anyone to expect champagne football or hurling in the club championships after at best only a few weeks collective team training. Timing and teamwork are bound to be a little off, which would be especially noticeable in football as most teams play a shorter style game these days involving alot of support running and short passing.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5742 - 31/08/2022 14:12:29    2439244

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see oulart are 2 for 2 in the football , im sure thats not going down to well with a few up there, the very last thing thing they want is the team to do well and football to get a grip, however minor

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2422 - 02/09/2022 08:38:01    2439376

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Predictions-
SENIOR-

Crossabeg
Starlights
St Annes
Castletown
Shels
Bunclody

INTERMEDIATE

Taghmon
Horeswood
Cushinstown
Ferns
Gorey
Clongeen

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5742 - 02/09/2022 09:19:40    2439384

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Glynn vs. Bunclody: having seen Bunclody last week, I was impressed with their work-rate and how they set-up, but they just lacked pizzazz up front. Were a bit slow to work into scoring zones. Glynn shipped a heavy score vs St.James, and might find Bunclody hard to break down. Michael Mackey impressed for them with 1-4, while Stafford looks back to his best too. Expect it to be cagey as neither side will want to lose, DRAW.

St.Anne's vs. Kilanerin: Kilanerin looked vibrant and dynamic in the first twenty minutes vs Gusserane but went into their shells thereafter. Obviously have plenty of talent in their ranks, but I feel a full-strength Gusserane would have exploited what I think is a slow full-back line more. St.Anne's have the tools to just that, and will be confident after their fine derby win against St.Martin's. St.Anne's to shade it.

Shelmaliers vs. St.James- the champions definitely got a fright last week, and their two late goals belied what was a close game. It's amazing how frequently they score goals with back-post flicks. St.James' will be a bit tighter than the Butters were, and won't allow space for the off-the-shoulder running Shels' game depends on. The come-from-behind win last week was impressive, and if Fitzgerald and Shannon make the same impact on the scoreboard again, they could win. Still, I think Shels will do enough to win.

Starlights vs. St.Martin's- whatever about both sides losing last weekend, who'd have thought that St.Martin's would be the lowest scorers across the six games? 0-6 is a paltry total for any grade, and is frankly ludicrous given their pedigree. Starlights' absences the last day are well documented, but they seemed to lack the same spirit they have displayed in recent years. Whoever losses here will be in serious trouble already, and I expect both sides to be much improved. Backs to the wall, I think the Enniscorthy lads will show more fight, and think Starlights will win it.

Gusserane vs. Crossabeg- the undoubted stars of the first round against a side probably relatively content with their showing after a slow start. The confidence will surely be coursing through the veins of the Crossabeg lads, and perhaps most impressively of all, they only shipped 0-3 from play against Starlights last week too. You'd imagine the fellas that came on the last day for Gusserane will be fit enough to start this time, and that will only mean improvement. Tougher one to call than last week's results suggests, but Crossabeg might keep up their winning ways.

Sarsfields vs. Castletown: plenty of encouragement to take out of last week from Sarsfields perspective. They have blooded a few very good young lads (Purcell is class), they held their own for most of the game against Shels, and they certainly have a structure in place. I see Chin named among the subs this week, he'd obviously add an extra dimension if he is fit. Castletown's system makes them hard to break down, and it suits their ball-carriers, while Brosnan is back from suspension now too. They were slow to get going against Bunclody, but their experience told in the end, and they didn't cough up any goal chances. Castletown to win.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1229 - 02/09/2022 11:17:41    2439402

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A vital and at times impressive win for Glynn. They blew Bunclody away in the first half, looked home and hosed, but got a black card and conceded a goal from a poor kick-out just before HT and for the second week running, were flat in the second half. Only scored once from play in the second period, that a late goal from Mahoney to seal it.

Its mad, all five goals on the night were good quality, but some of the point taking from both sides was terrible. Too many shots dropped short or rashly wide. Some of Bunclody's deliveries inside were poor.

Aside from the goal, which I said came direct from an error, although it was an excellent finish from Farrell, Bunclody didn't really create any other green flag chances, and my hunch that they are lacking something up front was correct again. John Dunne was their best player up there by a mile, but Regan was taken off for the second game running and Atkinson was quiet after kicking a good point early on. Martin O'Connor a big loss to be fair.

Michael Mackey looked good, caused a good bit of trouble from centre forward and should have scored a gilt-edged goal chance in the second half. Cormac Cooney hit 1-2 in the first half, but was shackeled by Murphy afterwards, and the ball didn't really stick inside whenever O'Regan moved out the field. White and Clarke full of running in midfield, Stafford quieter tonight.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1229 - 02/09/2022 21:12:45    2439481

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Went up to Enniscorthy and watched Taghmon v Maudlintown.
St Mary's will probably be kicking themselves they had numerous chances but kicked some poor wides. Jack Dunne made 3 excellent saves also. Mark Doyle got himself needlessly black carded. Graham Carty picked up a second yellow late on also. Christy Lane, Eddie Pitman, Kallum Broaders, Todd Hynes and Alex Lynch all played well while Warrwn Broaders had some classy touches too. But in general Mary's overplayed the ball for long periods and with all their possession they should've scored more than 1-06.
Taghmon looked very good when the passes went to hand and scored some great counter attacking points, but gave the ball away with too many loose or hospital passes. There was often noone winning the second ball and players were left isolated with 2 and 3 Mary's men around them. The 4 or 5 injured lads were missed for sure and will hopefully return soon, but hopefully as the championship goes on the lads basic football, i.e. passing, running into space, tracking runners etc will improve as it could be seen the lads had only 2 weeks football done with some of the basic errors committed. Noone could question the lads heart though and I'm sure they will improve as the weeks go by. 4 points out of 4 is a great start all the same but you would have to feel tougher tests await.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5742 - 02/09/2022 21:58:35    2439491

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Went up to Enniscorthy and watched Taghmon v Maudlintown.
St Mary's will probably be kicking themselves they had numerous chances but kicked some poor wides. Jack Dunne made 3 excellent saves also. Mark Doyle got himself needlessly black carded. Graham Carty picked up a second yellow late on also. Christy Lane, Eddie Pitman, Kallum Broaders, Todd Hynes and Alex Lynch all played well while Warrwn Broaders had some classy touches too. But in general Mary's overplayed the ball for long periods and with all their possession they should've scored more than 1-06.
Taghmon looked very good when the passes went to hand and scored some great counter attacking points, but gave the ball away with too many loose or hospital passes. There was often noone winning the second ball and players were left isolated with 2 and 3 Mary's men around them. The 4 or 5 injured lads were missed for sure and will hopefully return soon, but hopefully as the championship goes on the lads basic football, i.e. passing, running into space, tracking runners etc will improve as it could be seen the lads had only 2 weeks football done with some of the basic errors committed. Noone could question the lads heart though and I'm sure they will improve as the weeks go by. 4 points out of 4 is a great start all the same but you would have to feel tougher tests await.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5742 - 02/09/2022 21:59:37    2439492

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Anyone get to any games yesterday or today? Any new players putting their hands up for intercounty?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 5742 - 04/09/2022 19:25:56    2439664

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Caught two intermediate games in Pat's Park on Saturday. The first one was far better in quality than the second, and the four point gap at the end largely flattered Fethard. Tubritt was in pretty much unmarkable form, hitting five from play I think, and he'll be hard to stop throughout the championship. But it was an avoidable goal from a bad mistake that proved the difference as Ferns were plucky throughout, leading by two at half-time and still remaining in touch even after that goal. Some excellent points taken by both sides but Fethard's experience told towards the end.

Ferns were down a few bodies (that said, Dwyer is still absent for Fethard), and I have since heard that they are back hurling training this week so the football clearly isn't being given a fair whack, so they'd have to be encouraged by the display overall.

It was another avoidable goal that settled the second game too, but it was a tough watch. Gorey were dragged into the trenches against Bannow, who dropped a fella back, and the amount of lateral passing and keep ball was unreal. The bulk of the scores were frees (Harney and O'Brien both solid), with Gorey just that bit better on the day. McGuckin made a big impact off the bench, while Cathal Cummins looked decent for Bannow. Vital win for Naomh Eanna though as they play Fethard after that and then Ferns so needed to pick up a win after their opening round loss.

Caught the Castletown game on the stream, and they really should have been out of sight before that late mini-rally from Sarsfields. They could have hit as many goals as Shels managed a week earlier but for some mad misses, but still showed their class when needed with some excellent points. I'd concur with the commentators that Luke Murphy looked very good for Sarsfields, and based on their first two games, they will pick up required wins somewhere along the way. Roche was quite a handful again.

Castletown's system is designed to be hard to breakdown, and while they conceded two goals here, one was the rebound from a penalty, and the other a scrappy finish from a route-one approach, so they'd be quite content not to have been cut open otherwise whilst generating plenty of chances at the other end. Frank Roche, Higgins and Brosnan were their best on the night.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1229 - 05/09/2022 08:19:48    2439696

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Was in the park Saturday and Sunday.
Annes V Kilanerin - Good game in the first half - very even and both teams tried to play football. After trailing for most of the first hale kilanerin finished it strong with an opportunist goal and went in level at half time. Was one way traffic for the firs 10 mins of the second half Kilanering got 4 points on the trot. They seemed to sit back then and let the annes come onto them. Could have got caught at the end when mikey Fogartys fisted effort from a ball accross the square went over the bar when it could have gone under it. All in all I think Kilanerin deserved the win.
Shels V St James. - Shels seemed to be well in control of this by half time leading by 8 points and no real threat from the James. But the James are Dogged crew and slowly came back at shels bit by bit in the second half. Similar in ways to what sars Did the week before. I'm not sure if Shels are lazy or just switch off when they get on top but its a dangerous trait and better teams will catch them. They held on for a four point win but it was nervy enough at the weekend. James will be there or There abouts at quarter final time - no team will want to draw them.
In General i Thought the two games on Saturday were far better than Sundays Fare.
Starlights V Martins - Martins started like a train and looked decent for the first 15 mins. They should have had a second goal early on. I was impressed with Zach Firman at wing back. and Ciaran Lyng kicked a few nice points. But as the Starlights got a grip on things there was only one winner from half time. Martins kept themselves in the game mostly with longrange points . I enjoyed the old Style arial Dual between Daithi and Nick doyle. and there was some fine fielding on show. Martins are in a tough place will need to Get a result against Crossabeg.
Crossabeg V Gusseraune - Snoozefest, Poor stuff from both sites who both seemed afraid to take a Shot. I was hoping that Crossabeg would repeat the performance of the previous week. To be fair Gusseraune were much stronger than the week before with 4 big names back for them and they made a huge difference. But this wasn't Pretty. a very fortunate goal from a mistake by the Crossabeg keeper was all that stood between the two teams. In fairness to Crossabegs keeper i thought he was excellent for the game until that point made 2 great saves and his kickouts were pinpoint. But goals win games. and this result will prove quite significant at the end of the group. on the performances today Id fancy Gusseraune to beat the martins.

indaknownow (Offaly) - Posts: 100 - 05/09/2022 12:14:54    2439736

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Caught a few games the weekend. Anne's v Kilanerin a poor spectacle overall. Kilanerin sitting very deep and are hard to break down but St Anne's didn't push on and try win it which cost them in the end. Dean o toole and Sean Forde we're good on the frees for Kilanerin while Niall Hughes battled hard aswell. Dylan O Brien and Aidan Rockford the best for the Anne's.

Shels and St James wasn't much better. Shels we're in control of the game but allowed the jimmies back into it. Sean Keane Carroll carried alot of ball for the Shels and up front Brian Malone was as industrious as ever. The introduction of Eoghan o Gara seemed to work against the shels as they absndoned there short passing game and looked for him and it didn't work out on a couple of occasions. St James looked limited enough up front. Kevin o Grady missed a few frees which he would have usually got and they could have been even closer in the end

Watched the Sars and Castletown match last night. Castletown could have had four goals on the first half against a depleted Sarsfields team from what I heard. Jack Higgins carried a lot of ball for Castletown and Brosnan looked sharp up front. Roche kept the Sarsfields in it with scores from frees and play however Castletown we're deserving winners and should have won by more. They need Liam Coleman back in midfield as the championship progresses.

WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 5 - 05/09/2022 17:34:34    2439783

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