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Replying To TheUsername: "The difference i think is lads are stepping away for whatever reason in their peak, maybe lost a bit of hunger, ,maybe nothing left to achieve or beat, maybe all not well.
What ever the reason, i think its an internal decision making undermining maximum ability to compete for an All Ireland, rather then say a team breaking through to overlap the standard Dublin have set.
Dublin are beating Dublin essentially. A full deck regardles of retirements, i think we would be far more competitive than i think we will be." Again I think people reading too much into the retirements and that as Dublin still so strong. I mean what was Dublin's best team.? Was in 4 in a row? 5? 6?.i was just looking at the team that beat Kerry in the 19 replay and 12 of that team will. be playing if they make all ireland final. On last year's team that won 6 in a row. 14 of the team available this year and that does nt include Brian Howard or Costello who were subs. The only one missing is Cluxton. Now he is big loss no doubt but when one looks at the big picture Dublin have brought in players all the time so still very strong. It's like Kilkenny they had alot of retirements around 10 11 but still had loads of talent and won a few more all Irelands.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 14/07/2021 19:18:50
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "Again I think people reading too much into the retirements and that as Dublin still so strong. I mean what was Dublin's best team.? Was in 4 in a row? 5? 6?.i was just looking at the team that beat Kerry in the 19 replay and 12 of that team will. be playing if they make all ireland final. On last year's team that won 6 in a row. 14 of the team available this year and that does nt include Brian Howard or Costello who were subs. The only one missing is Cluxton. Now he is big loss no doubt but when one looks at the big picture Dublin have brought in players all the time so still very strong. It's like Kilkenny they had alot of retirements around 10 11 but still had loads of talent and won a few more all Irelands." Mick when you take Jack , Mannion and Connolly out of the panel not to mention Cluxton and the others , there is no doubting that Dublin are not as strong as before. That will become evident soon enough.
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Replying To Dubh_linn: "Mick when you take Jack , Mannion and Connolly out of the panel not to mention Cluxton and the others , there is no doubting that Dublin are not as strong as before. That will become evident soon enough." Of course they not as strong but Connolly had missed a couple of years and none of those 3 you named started last years final. Mannion was a sub. Dublin were weaker last year but they won the all ireland. My point is Dubs still very strong.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 14/07/2021 21:33:20
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "Again I think people reading too much into the retirements and that as Dublin still so strong. I mean what was Dublin's best team.? Was in 4 in a row? 5? 6?.i was just looking at the team that beat Kerry in the 19 replay and 12 of that team will. be playing if they make all ireland final. On last year's team that won 6 in a row. 14 of the team available this year and that does nt include Brian Howard or Costello who were subs. The only one missing is Cluxton. Now he is big loss no doubt but when one looks at the big picture Dublin have brought in players all the time so still very strong. It's like Kilkenny they had alot of retirements around 10 11 but still had loads of talent and won a few more all Irelands." The time has passed Mick when you can look at a 15 and make a judgement. It's at least a 25 man game these days and 20 on the day.
It's not just retirements it's lads stepping away, it's injuries and retirements. Count the All Ireland medals gone out of the squad in the last 12 months - it's staggering.
Actually thinking of it we've lost 3 former footballers of the year in the last year in Jack, the living legend and Mick McCauley.
We're back to building and the drawing board unfortunately, time to get the wellies on and continue to develop the youth in the county on the short winter nights, in time that will bring us back, we've huge potential in this county when we harness it and develop it properly. We'l look to youth at grassroots, it's our way.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 14/07/2021 21:33:52
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "Of course they not as strong but Connolly had missed a couple of years and none of those 3 you named started last years final. Mannion was a sub. Dublin were weaker last year but they won the all ireland. My point is Dubs still very strong." Strong yes but by no means will it be a case of a foregone conclusion as some are stating. Players of that calibre drive others to be better and when they're not involved the dynamic within a squad changes. Same as with the Kilkenny squad. When the top not players with the experience go it's a different prospect and new arrivals are in a different environment. Ok, there are still some greats there but the pool is definitely diluted and no where near as formidable. Yes, we won last year but it was somewhat bizarre and you can see that by the way the provinces played out. It's a bit more settled this year and my feeling is we are there for the taking.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 14/07/2021 22:27:33
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Replying To TheUsername: "The time has passed Mick when you can look at a 15 and make a judgement. It's at least a 25 man game these days and 20 on the day.
It's not just retirements it's lads stepping away, it's injuries and retirements. Count the All Ireland medals gone out of the squad in the last 12 months - it's staggering.
Actually thinking of it we've lost 3 former footballers of the year in the last year in Jack, the living legend and Mick McCauley.
We're back to building and the drawing board unfortunately, time to get the wellies on and continue to develop the youth in the county on the short winter nights, in time that will bring us back, we've huge potential in this county when we harness it and develop it properly. We'l look to youth at grassroots, it's our way." Well I'm afraid age caught up with MDMA but Jack is too young to go and a loss for the neutrals too may I add. Time catches up with everyone I'm afraid. I do agree that the bench is the difference alright. Dubs first 15 probably still best in the country but bench not as strong anymore and yes in every big game especially tight ones a team needs 5 subs as strong as the guys coming off.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 14/07/2021 22:49:50
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Ahh to hell with it.
Meath to win by 2.
Hon the royal.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 15/07/2021 09:42:46
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Replying To TheUsername: "The time has passed Mick when you can look at a 15 and make a judgement. It's at least a 25 man game these days and 20 on the day.
It's not just retirements it's lads stepping away, it's injuries and retirements. Count the All Ireland medals gone out of the squad in the last 12 months - it's staggering.
Actually thinking of it we've lost 3 former footballers of the year in the last year in Jack, the living legend and Mick McCauley.
We're back to building and the drawing board unfortunately, time to get the wellies on and continue to develop the youth in the county on the short winter nights, in time that will bring us back, we've huge potential in this county when we harness it and develop it properly. We'l look to youth at grassroots, it's our way." The "factory" must have been closed due to Covid was it. :-).
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 15/07/2021 10:27:07
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Replying To Dubh_linn: "Strong yes but by no means will it be a case of a foregone conclusion as some are stating. Players of that calibre drive others to be better and when they're not involved the dynamic within a squad changes. Same as with the Kilkenny squad. When the top not players with the experience go it's a different prospect and new arrivals are in a different environment. Ok, there are still some greats there but the pool is definitely diluted and no where near as formidable. Yes, we won last year but it was somewhat bizarre and you can see that by the way the provinces played out. It's a bit more settled this year and my feeling is we are there for the taking." Well Dubh linn this years format same as last year except weather better due to time of year. Look I agree Dubs not as strong but still good enough. Dublin first 15 probably still best in country but as Username mentioned it's all about the 26 and that might be a problem.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 15/07/2021 10:57:21
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Replying To TheUsername: "The time has passed Mick when you can look at a 15 and make a judgement. It's at least a 25 man game these days and 20 on the day.
It's not just retirements it's lads stepping away, it's injuries and retirements. Count the All Ireland medals gone out of the squad in the last 12 months - it's staggering.
Actually thinking of it we've lost 3 former footballers of the year in the last year in Jack, the living legend and Mick McCauley.
We're back to building and the drawing board unfortunately, time to get the wellies on and continue to develop the youth in the county on the short winter nights, in time that will bring us back, we've huge potential in this county when we harness it and develop it properly. We'l look to youth at grassroots, it's our way." "We'l look to youth at grassroots, it's our way"
As opposed to every other county in GAA that buy players in? You must be new to GAA.
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Replying To Crinigan: ""We'l look to youth at grassroots, it's our way"
As opposed to every other county in GAA that buy players in? You must be new to GAA." You'd have to take his comment as very much tongue-in-cheeck.
The buying in of country players by the Dublin superclubs is what pushes the standard within the county up and has contributed greatly to their recent dominance.
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Replying To avonali: "I agree with this. Anything we say here is conjecture but I think Cluxton is irreplaceable. He was more than a goalkeeper/ captain. He was an exemplary figure, a talisman in the Dublin squad. He set the highest standards . You cannot replace that. The injuries to key defenders, the inevitable draining away of talent all have to matter.
If the Dubs were to be beaten I'd prefer it to be a Leinster team. I know what the bookies are saying; I'm aware of the narrative peddled in here that this is the Dubs version of Yerra etc. etc. But nothing lasts forever and I really sense the end of this great run is fast approaching . And when it does I'll toast their victors and drink to this wonderful period of Dublin domination. Despite what others may say or think, Dublin GAA does not possess an inexhaustible supply of highly gifted players.
And I know thy are rubbing their hands below in the Kingdom savouring a chance to knock Dublin off their perch in an All_lreland final. I don't think the narrative is going to unfold like that. By the way, that was their undoing last year. They were so busy focussing on the summit of Dublin looming in the distance that they failed to spot the banana skin under their feet in Cork.
I honestly don't believe it will end in a big showdown with Kerry in an All Ireland Final. That's just my opinion. And Kingdomboy, if this were not an internet forum I'd wager you a hundred euro that Dublin will not retain the canister. Of course if you want, I'll leave the money in any pub in the Camp/Curraheen/ Blennerville area for you. Just say the word." You could give the 100 euro to paddy power to make them richer but I suppose it'll be spent more wisely in Kingdomboys hands.
KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 15/07/2021 11:53:55
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Replying To royaldunne: "Ahh to hell with it.
Meath to win by 2.
Hon the royal." A broken clock is right twice a day and all that. .
But you're looking to be right twice a century at this rate!
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "Well Dubh linn this years format same as last year except weather better due to time of year. Look I agree Dubs not as strong but still good enough. Dublin first 15 probably still best in country but as Username mentioned it's all about the 26 and that might be a problem." That's my point. It is all about the panel that's the only way you'll win anything nowadays. That's what made us so strong.
The timing of the championship last year was unique and certainly threw up some surprises but we are playing in more traditional seasons this year so Kerry and Tyrone etc will not be eliminated as was last year.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 15/07/2021 13:53:54
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Replying To Crinigan: ""We'l look to youth at grassroots, it's our way"
As opposed to every other county in GAA that buy players in? You must be new to GAA." There is plenty of Meath men who would say the County neglected their underage structures in recent decades and hence a big contributor to Meaths regression in the last 10 years. One of us must be new to this alright. ;)
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 15/07/2021 14:07:29
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "Well Dubh linn this years format same as last year except weather better due to time of year. Look I agree Dubs not as strong but still good enough. Dublin first 15 probably still best in country but as Username mentioned it's all about the 26 and that might be a problem." Mick Dublins first 15 is not the best 15 in the country , Kerrys is , its there time now unfortunately
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 15/07/2021 23:56:03
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No offence to anyone but this is Meath v Dublin, unfortunately from a Meath perspective Dublin will face Kerry at some stage. But I'd like if we could keep it to our likely last day out. Again no offence to any posters.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 16/07/2021 09:47:26
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Sorted tickets for this, cant actually wait now, first time in the battle ship since Feb 20.
CCCOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEE OOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNN YEEEEEEEEEEEE Boys in Blue!!!!!!
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 16/07/2021 10:53:42
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Replying To TheUsername: "Sorted tickets for this, cant actually wait now, first time in the battle ship since Feb 20.
CCCOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEE OOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNN YEEEEEEEEEEEE Boys in Blue!!!!!!" Thanks for that. .
Was having withdrawal symptoms since the Euros ended.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 16/07/2021 11:59:33
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Replying To cavanman47: "Thanks for that. .
Was having withdrawal symptoms since the Euros ended." Ah multi is new to the game cavanman47 he's bound to get a little over excited :-)
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 16/07/2021 12:05:01
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