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Replying To Trump2020:  "I agree with you but spare a thought for some of them long serving Cork lads that never won anything."
Yea, but players like, Joe Sammon, Jimmy Duggan, Jimmy Smyth, Gary Kirby, John Mullane, Ken McGrath, Paddy Molloy and Mick Birmingham, among hosts of other great hurlers, never won anything. The fact is if Cork win on Sunday they could dominate hurling for years, something Limerick will certainly not be doing.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3258 - 17/08/2021 21:04:46    2372534

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Yea, but players like, Joe Sammon, Jimmy Duggan, Jimmy Smyth, Gary Kirby, John Mullane, Ken McGrath, Paddy Molloy and Mick Birmingham, among hosts of other great hurlers, never won anything. The fact is if Cork win on Sunday they could dominate hurling for years, something Limerick will certainly not be doing."
I would like to see Pat Horgan win an AI medal,

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 499 - 17/08/2021 22:13:30    2372555

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Replying To mooncat:  "I would like to see Pat Horgan win an AI medal,"
Yeah,next year in the final against Kilkenny!

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 862 - 17/08/2021 22:34:25    2372562

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Anyone who thinks that Cork hurlers don't have fantastic supporters who always travel in huge numbers clearly has no idea about hurling. They're arguably the best supported team in the country apart from Mayo and Wexford hurlers.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 343 - 17/08/2021 23:19:07    2372572

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Yea, but players like, Joe Sammon, Jimmy Duggan, Jimmy Smyth, Gary Kirby, John Mullane, Ken McGrath, Paddy Molloy and Mick Birmingham, among hosts of other great hurlers, never won anything. The fact is if Cork win on Sunday they could dominate hurling for years, something Limerick will certainly not be doing."
Yeah. Lots of great players never won the big one in many sports. Seems unfair but that's just sports.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 17/08/2021 23:23:16    2372573

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Yea, but players like, Joe Sammon, Jimmy Duggan, Jimmy Smyth, Gary Kirby, John Mullane, Ken McGrath, Paddy Molloy and Mick Birmingham, among hosts of other great hurlers, never won anything. The fact is if Cork win on Sunday they could dominate hurling for years, something Limerick will certainly not be doing."
Why do you care if anybody else wants you to win? Part of being the big dog at the top of the pile is that some neutrals that would support you on the way up, will start to look for other teams to beat you. Cork are the under dogs and quite often people will support an under dog. Of course many won't, but that's sport. None of thoseCork players have a winners medal, whilst most of that Limerick team are going for a 3rd. Throwing out comments that Cork will dominate based on no reason v a team that is actually dominating now makes no sense. In fact, in most forums, many other counties delighted in naming the all ireland contenders and making Cork out to be 6th or 7th in the list of likely winners. Either way, it doesn't bother me. I Just find it strange that you are so desperate to garner favour from all and sundry. Just enjoy the moment and good luck on Sunday. Don't worry about neutrals, as everybody will have their reasons to shout for either team.

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 274 - 18/08/2021 00:07:44    2372582

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "A few things are going against getting tickets this year.
1. Cork bring the biggest Ole Ole brigade in the country. We beat them in Liam Dunne's 2nd last match in charge of Wexford and there was about 50 people from Cork at the match. Now every county has a huge bandwagon (and my own are no better here) but the Cork bandwagon is particularly huge.
2. The stupid rule of giving every GAA club in the country tickets. For me, the allocation should be 50/50 between the competing counties, not giving 2-3-4 tickets to some club in Longford or Leitrim which never heard of a hurl.
3. I know there were no season tickets this year but there are people every year who claim to be die-hard supporters and go to every match. Well no offence, but if you go to every match you are costing yourself money not having a season ticket, while also giving yourself a headache of trying to get a ticket.

But lastly, be glad to be in it!"
I disagree with a lot of this but understand your view point.

1. Cork have a big hurling following and would always have big crowds at championship games. Of course all Ireland's bring out everybody. I don't think you can stop that. It's the same for all counties.

2. Ive heard people on here talk endlessly about promoting the game in smaller hurling counties, but that flies out the window when all ireland tickets are to be sought. There are great hurling people in Longford and Leitrim. They should have the opportunity to go to all Ireland's. As you can be sure they probably never would if they had to wait for their county to get to one to attend.

3. Cork have given tickets to season ticket holders from last year. Perhaps that should have happened in Limerick as well? I'm actually not sure on this. Many here saying they travel all around the country supporting the county. It would be great if that loyalty was rewarded. However don't forget the volunteers at clubs that can't travel all year to support as they are keeping grass roots GAA afloat. Should they not be rewarded for their service by being able to attend the biggest day of the year.

This is only my opinion and I know you have a good point with much of what you have said. I just feel there are alternative viewpoints that are also legitimate and deserving.

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 274 - 18/08/2021 00:19:02    2372583

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "I have followed the G&W for almost sixty years and I am outside the county for over fifty years. From Ballycastle to Killarney and from Salthill to Wexford Park I have seen them and I only got a ticket by chance from somewhere at the other end of the country."
Looks like we are members of the same club OTM. am outside the county but am enjoying every minute of this.
Long may it continue.

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1295 - 18/08/2021 03:38:36    2372588

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "On the match Sunday,what are people making of ticket situation?would I be wrong in putting this idea forward,with the reduced capacity could croke park not have said that for the year that's in it only tickets will go to competing counties?it makes no sense that with less than half capacity every county is still getting an allocation..I know I'm going to upset a lot of posters..the same will happen do football final.."
110% they should only go to competing counties. Even as a neutral watching it on tv i'll be hoping for a good atmosphere

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3110 - 18/08/2021 08:38:51    2372594

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Thanks SVP. For eighteen years from '99 to '16 inclusive, seventeen out of eighteen titles went to Cork Tipp or Kilkenny- why any neutral would shout against a smaller county and for any of those three is totally beyond me."
Those stats never crossed my mind until now. That's unreal. However, as a neutral I'll be hoping Mr Horgan lifts the cup but on current form I don't think he has any chance unfortunately. The way Cork play I expect Limerick to get 80% of their scores from turnovers.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3110 - 18/08/2021 08:42:15    2372596

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Replying To BaldyBadger:  "Why do you care if anybody else wants you to win? Part of being the big dog at the top of the pile is that some neutrals that would support you on the way up, will start to look for other teams to beat you. Cork are the under dogs and quite often people will support an under dog. Of course many won't, but that's sport. None of thoseCork players have a winners medal, whilst most of that Limerick team are going for a 3rd. Throwing out comments that Cork will dominate based on no reason v a team that is actually dominating now makes no sense. In fact, in most forums, many other counties delighted in naming the all ireland contenders and making Cork out to be 6th or 7th in the list of likely winners. Either way, it doesn't bother me. I Just find it strange that you are so desperate to garner favour from all and sundry. Just enjoy the moment and good luck on Sunday. Don't worry about neutrals, as everybody will have their reasons to shout for either team."
Every time Cork were down for more than ten years before, they bounced back to dominate for the next decade and with recent underage success that is most likely to happen again. Incidentally I would never, ever, put Cork down to 6th or 7th when predicting who was going to win the All Ireland any year.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3258 - 18/08/2021 10:16:43    2372622

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Those stats never crossed my mind until now. That's unreal. However, as a neutral I'll be hoping Mr Horgan lifts the cup but on current form I don't think he has any chance unfortunately. The way Cork play I expect Limerick to get 80% of their scores from turnovers."
I agree this is the big problem for Cork. Cant go long every time as we do not have enough ball winners, especially against Limerick. Then we have to go short, which is high margin for error and no better team than Limerick to exploit this and set traps to turnover the ball.
Personally, I hope Cork just mix it up as much as possible without becoming predictable. The game could run away from us very quickly if they cannot fix the puck outs and we get a repeat of the Munster semi final.

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 274 - 18/08/2021 10:48:29    2372633

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Replying To BaldyBadger:  "I disagree with a lot of this but understand your view point.

1. Cork have a big hurling following and would always have big crowds at championship games. Of course all Ireland's bring out everybody. I don't think you can stop that. It's the same for all counties.

2. Ive heard people on here talk endlessly about promoting the game in smaller hurling counties, but that flies out the window when all ireland tickets are to be sought. There are great hurling people in Longford and Leitrim. They should have the opportunity to go to all Ireland's. As you can be sure they probably never would if they had to wait for their county to get to one to attend.

3. Cork have given tickets to season ticket holders from last year. Perhaps that should have happened in Limerick as well? I'm actually not sure on this. Many here saying they travel all around the country supporting the county. It would be great if that loyalty was rewarded. However don't forget the volunteers at clubs that can't travel all year to support as they are keeping grass roots GAA afloat. Should they not be rewarded for their service by being able to attend the biggest day of the year.

This is only my opinion and I know you have a good point with much of what you have said. I just feel there are alternative viewpoints that are also legitimate and deserving."
Good post. Especially point 2.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3207 - 18/08/2021 10:56:14    2372639

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Replying To BaldyBadger:  "I disagree with a lot of this but understand your view point.

1. Cork have a big hurling following and would always have big crowds at championship games. Of course all Ireland's bring out everybody. I don't think you can stop that. It's the same for all counties.

2. Ive heard people on here talk endlessly about promoting the game in smaller hurling counties, but that flies out the window when all ireland tickets are to be sought. There are great hurling people in Longford and Leitrim. They should have the opportunity to go to all Ireland's. As you can be sure they probably never would if they had to wait for their county to get to one to attend.

3. Cork have given tickets to season ticket holders from last year. Perhaps that should have happened in Limerick as well? I'm actually not sure on this. Many here saying they travel all around the country supporting the county. It would be great if that loyalty was rewarded. However don't forget the volunteers at clubs that can't travel all year to support as they are keeping grass roots GAA afloat. Should they not be rewarded for their service by being able to attend the biggest day of the year.

This is only my opinion and I know you have a good point with much of what you have said. I just feel there are alternative viewpoints that are also legitimate and deserving."
You are right on point three. I was a season ticket holder last year and this is the first I have heard about the likes of us getting a ticket. I will be following this up.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3258 - 18/08/2021 11:08:33    2372648

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Replying To BaldyBadger:  "I agree this is the big problem for Cork. Cant go long every time as we do not have enough ball winners, especially against Limerick. Then we have to go short, which is high margin for error and no better team than Limerick to exploit this and set traps to turnover the ball.
Personally, I hope Cork just mix it up as much as possible without becoming predictable. The game could run away from us very quickly if they cannot fix the puck outs and we get a repeat of the Munster semi final."
But BB ye were very unlucky in the Munster Final. A penalty was saved- very unusual at this level in hurling and PH missed several frees. I cannot see that happening again. I believe this will be very close. We will IMHO just about shade it.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3258 - 18/08/2021 11:43:29    2372661

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Replying To BaldyBadger:  "I disagree with a lot of this but understand your view point.

1. Cork have a big hurling following and would always have big crowds at championship games. Of course all Ireland's bring out everybody. I don't think you can stop that. It's the same for all counties.

2. Ive heard people on here talk endlessly about promoting the game in smaller hurling counties, but that flies out the window when all ireland tickets are to be sought. There are great hurling people in Longford and Leitrim. They should have the opportunity to go to all Ireland's. As you can be sure they probably never would if they had to wait for their county to get to one to attend.

3. Cork have given tickets to season ticket holders from last year. Perhaps that should have happened in Limerick as well? I'm actually not sure on this. Many here saying they travel all around the country supporting the county. It would be great if that loyalty was rewarded. However don't forget the volunteers at clubs that can't travel all year to support as they are keeping grass roots GAA afloat. Should they not be rewarded for their service by being able to attend the biggest day of the year.

This is only my opinion and I know you have a good point with much of what you have said. I just feel there are alternative viewpoints that are also legitimate and deserving."
Good post and a good response to be fair BaldyBadger.

I agree on point 1 - a big championship game will always bring out a huge following, but for me - every county has about 10-15k of real hard core support. The sort who will be there for the first round of the championship in Wexford Park or Pairc Ui Chaoimh. Then, there's the huge ole ole brigade at the sniff of success in a big game and all the media can talk about is "the great colour Cork/Wexford/Whoever bring to the championship".

I cannot agree on point 2 though - yes there are great hurling men in Longford and Leitrim, and of course they deserve to be provided for. But why on earth do we send tickets to clubs not fielding hurling teams for example? The very least a club should be doing to get tickets is promoting the game. Just because they are under the GAA umbrella, shouldn't give them entitlement to tickets for me.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1377 - 18/08/2021 12:03:03    2372671

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Replying To BaldyBadger:  "I agree this is the big problem for Cork. Cant go long every time as we do not have enough ball winners, especially against Limerick. Then we have to go short, which is high margin for error and no better team than Limerick to exploit this and set traps to turnover the ball.
Personally, I hope Cork just mix it up as much as possible without becoming predictable. The game could run away from us very quickly if they cannot fix the puck outs and we get a repeat of the Munster semi final."
I can see that point but Horgan only got about 6 balls against KK and a score came off all of them. He won't get much space against Limerick however. I'm amazed how teams leave Barry Nash free in almost every game. He has yet to be properly tested as an orthodox corner back (to me memory). I'd love to fire Shane Kingston into that corner for a while and let ball into him. I think the Cork forward line have the ability to destroy teams with quick ball.
However a bit like Derek McGraths Waterford, the management team could possibly rightly suggest that its this style that have made Cork "successful" this year and the direct approach doenst work for them all that often.
I dont think its necessarily a problem with the puckouts but what Tim O'Mahoney done at 70 mins was what was happening for most of the game. It was only when Kingston and particularly Cadogan came on that Cork went more direct for periods. Perhaps though if Cork believe in this system like Limerick did in theres then eventually it will stop breaking down and there could be a future for it, but I do worry for them in the final. I think that was a weak KK team and Limerick would have had them beaten in 25 mins.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3110 - 18/08/2021 12:05:59    2372673

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Good post and a good response to be fair BaldyBadger.

I agree on point 1 - a big championship game will always bring out a huge following, but for me - every county has about 10-15k of real hard core support. The sort who will be there for the first round of the championship in Wexford Park or Pairc Ui Chaoimh. Then, there's the huge ole ole brigade at the sniff of success in a big game and all the media can talk about is "the great colour Cork/Wexford/Whoever bring to the championship".

I cannot agree on point 2 though - yes there are great hurling men in Longford and Leitrim, and of course they deserve to be provided for. But why on earth do we send tickets to clubs not fielding hurling teams for example? The very least a club should be doing to get tickets is promoting the game. Just because they are under the GAA umbrella, shouldn't give them entitlement to tickets for me."
Yes that is another point. If there are no hurling played at a club why provide them with tickets. I know that this year in London, football clubs are not receiving ticket for the hurling and hurling clubs not getting football tickets. You have a good point.
That should be easy to manage in that respect. I was more thinking of the hurling people in those counties. I agree with you here.

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 274 - 18/08/2021 12:29:21    2372680

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "But BB ye were very unlucky in the Munster Final. A penalty was saved- very unusual at this level in hurling and PH missed several frees. I cannot see that happening again. I believe this will be very close. We will IMHO just about shade it."
Limerick are rightly favourites. Taking my red hat off would lead me to only one outcome. However, with my hat firmly on, I will always think we have a chance to beat anybody on the day. It's now just one game for both sides. I have strong belief in this group of players abilities. It's whether they van put a performance in on Sunday that gives them that chance. Limerick are an awesome outfit and have developed into an exceptional side.
Cork will need nearly everything to go for them I feel. A low wide count, a couple of goals and maybe Limerick shooting to be a bit off for them to shade it.

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 274 - 18/08/2021 12:36:23    2372683

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Good post and a good response to be fair BaldyBadger.

I agree on point 1 - a big championship game will always bring out a huge following, but for me - every county has about 10-15k of real hard core support. The sort who will be there for the first round of the championship in Wexford Park or Pairc Ui Chaoimh. Then, there's the huge ole ole brigade at the sniff of success in a big game and all the media can talk about is "the great colour Cork/Wexford/Whoever bring to the championship".

I cannot agree on point 2 though - yes there are great hurling men in Longford and Leitrim, and of course they deserve to be provided for. But why on earth do we send tickets to clubs not fielding hurling teams for example? The very least a club should be doing to get tickets is promoting the game. Just because they are under the GAA umbrella, shouldn't give them entitlement to tickets for me."
Just because a club doesnt field a hurling team doesnt mean there are no hurling people there.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3207 - 18/08/2021 12:55:45    2372694

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