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Replying To tiobraid:  "Yawn! Peter Casey was completely fine in 2019 and even have an interview directly after the game. I'm amazed limerick posters aren't marveling in that display and instead bringing up incidents from their own team that no one else is complaining about. Your still talking about the Munster final tackles - no one cares!
Talk about your teams tactics or wonderful scores if you know enough about hurling to discuss those."
Have to say I agree with Tiobraid. We have just won 3 all Ireland titles in 4 years. I could never have foreseen this in 40 years following Limerick. Probably no need to be discussing incidents from the past. As Tony Soprano said in his final scene 'focus on the good times'.

Still in dream land.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6279 - 29/08/2021 10:53:04    2375900

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Replying To slayer:  "Have to say I agree with Tiobraid. We have just won 3 all Ireland titles in 4 years. I could never have foreseen this in 40 years following Limerick. Probably no need to be discussing incidents from the past. As Tony Soprano said in his final scene 'focus on the good times'.

Still in dream land."
Better get ready for another 3 all Ireland's. No competition to speak of!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 657 - 29/08/2021 13:36:03    2375999

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Casey did his cruciate."
These cruciate injuries continue sadly. DeBurca and Mahony last year. You would thing between science and the sport some sort of analysis would be done to look at cause and prevention. There has got to be a common denominator. These trainers got to have some responsibility for it. They will continue until some thing changes. It must be devastating to loose practically a whole year from you playing career as well as the suffering.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1642 - 29/08/2021 14:15:02    2376018

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Replying To Rockies:  "Better get ready for another 3 all Ireland's. No competition to speak of!"
cork will challenge not sure whether the present management have that tactical awareness to take down limerick.....on paper they look to have the dream team but they either couldnt see it or dont have anyone else but cork, and i having saying it all year they have no centre back or fullback. coleman is not physically strong enough for centre bk is a wing bk but the biggest false dawn for me was downey at fullback he is too tall and awkward to be marking the quality of fullforwards that are around now. but cork management didnt help he's cause either with the amont of space in front of the limerick fullforward line. everyone was saying he had an outstanding semi final against kilkenny but when he was dragged away from the square by billy ryan he was destroyed.

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 960 - 29/08/2021 14:18:55    2376021

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Replying To munsterchamps:  "cork will challenge not sure whether the present management have that tactical awareness to take down limerick.....on paper they look to have the dream team but they either couldnt see it or dont have anyone else but cork, and i having saying it all year they have no centre back or fullback. coleman is not physically strong enough for centre bk is a wing bk but the biggest false dawn for me was downey at fullback he is too tall and awkward to be marking the quality of fullforwards that are around now. but cork management didnt help he's cause either with the amont of space in front of the limerick fullforward line. everyone was saying he had an outstanding semi final against kilkenny but when he was dragged away from the square by billy ryan he was destroyed."
Cork are resigned to waiting a few years until underage teams mature. Kilkenny, Tipp, Galway on the slide! Waterford, Clare, Dublin are not good enough. Some years of Limerick dominance similar to Kilkenny's is on cards. Good for Limerick, but nobody else!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 657 - 29/08/2021 15:02:53    2376035

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Replying To Rockies:  "Cork are resigned to waiting a few years until underage teams mature. Kilkenny, Tipp, Galway on the slide! Waterford, Clare, Dublin are not good enough. Some years of Limerick dominance similar to Kilkenny's is on cards. Good for Limerick, but nobody else!"
Hi Rockies

I think Waterford are a lot closer than they get credit for. Having watched all of Limerick's games back a few times, Waterford are the closest team to Limerick in a number of ways.

Waterford expended a lot of energy in the first 20 minutes v Limerick. They got to 0-4 each but in Q2 Limerick kicked and went 0-10 to 0-4 up. By the 37th minute Limerick had extended that to 0-16 v 0-7. I couldn't understand the game plan given their schedule before that semi final.

If Waterford take a different approach against us going forward they might profit. This current Limerick team is physical and Waterford play with great energy and movement. Going around us rather than through us might be the answer. Their players are very capable of a high energy game which would be needed to do this.

Cahill staying on gives stability and the Waterford full back line definitely gave Limerick more problems than the other two sides we beat in 21.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6279 - 29/08/2021 16:33:27    2376064

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Replying To slayer:  "Hi Rockies

I think Waterford are a lot closer than they get credit for. Having watched all of Limerick's games back a few times, Waterford are the closest team to Limerick in a number of ways.

Waterford expended a lot of energy in the first 20 minutes v Limerick. They got to 0-4 each but in Q2 Limerick kicked and went 0-10 to 0-4 up. By the 37th minute Limerick had extended that to 0-16 v 0-7. I couldn't understand the game plan given their schedule before that semi final.

If Waterford take a different approach against us going forward they might profit. This current Limerick team is physical and Waterford play with great energy and movement. Going around us rather than through us might be the answer. Their players are very capable of a high energy game which would be needed to do this.

Cahill staying on gives stability and the Waterford full back line definitely gave Limerick more problems than the other two sides we beat in 21."
Time will tell, but Limerick were much superior to Waterford in this year's semifinal and last year's all Ireland final. Seems a mute point at the moment as the hurling inter county season is over. At least the football this year is refreshing with Mayo and Tyrone at the forefront. No individual dominant team here!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 657 - 29/08/2021 16:53:05    2376069

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Replying To slayer:  "Hi Rockies

I think Waterford are a lot closer than they get credit for. Having watched all of Limerick's games back a few times, Waterford are the closest team to Limerick in a number of ways.

Waterford expended a lot of energy in the first 20 minutes v Limerick. They got to 0-4 each but in Q2 Limerick kicked and went 0-10 to 0-4 up. By the 37th minute Limerick had extended that to 0-16 v 0-7. I couldn't understand the game plan given their schedule before that semi final.

If Waterford take a different approach against us going forward they might profit. This current Limerick team is physical and Waterford play with great energy and movement. Going around us rather than through us might be the answer. Their players are very capable of a high energy game which would be needed to do this.

Cahill staying on gives stability and the Waterford full back line definitely gave Limerick more problems than the other two sides we beat in 21."
You are right. And on top of that Waterfords high energy style doesnt suit the backdoor. The same for Limerick. The last leveller will be the round Robin coming back. A couple of slighrly off games and both Waterford and Limerick could find themselves gone by June. Unlikely it has to be said at the same time! The flakier teams who currently are the 2 of the big 3 that play in the Munster Championship are likely the 2 to miss out next year I feel.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3207 - 29/08/2021 17:39:10    2376082

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Replying To Viking66:  "You are right. And on top of that Waterfords high energy style doesnt suit the backdoor. The same for Limerick. The last leveller will be the round Robin coming back. A couple of slighrly off games and both Waterford and Limerick could find themselves gone by June. Unlikely it has to be said at the same time! The flakier teams who currently are the 2 of the big 3 that play in the Munster Championship are likely the 2 to miss out next year I feel."
I'd wager that Limerick's name will be on the Liam McCarthy again in 2022. The rest will play for 2nd place. Waterford aren't close to Limerick. Kilkenny's dominant years were interrupted occasionally by a resurgent Tipperary, but I don't see a similar competitor to Limerick. It's a one horse race

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 657 - 29/08/2021 18:00:21    2376088

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Replying To Rockies:  "I'd wager that Limerick's name will be on the Liam McCarthy again in 2022. The rest will play for 2nd place. Waterford aren't close to Limerick. Kilkenny's dominant years were interrupted occasionally by a resurgent Tipperary, but I don't see a similar competitor to Limerick. It's a one horse race"
I have to disagree with you. We would be close to them with a full deck to play with. if that is close enough to beat them is another question. I know every team gets injuries but it is a killer for us with limited resources. I wonder how close we would have been this year with the number one and two centre backs available. Also if we did not have to play four weeks in row. Of course we will never know that and I would not down grade the superiority of Limerick in all aspects of the game. To me we need to get to the Munster final as a necessity win or lose. Going around the horn is a death sentence. Not sure if it reverts to round robin next year. Then the advantage might be in being third.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1642 - 29/08/2021 18:28:02    2376099

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Replying To Rockies:  "I'd wager that Limerick's name will be on the Liam McCarthy again in 2022. The rest will play for 2nd place. Waterford aren't close to Limerick. Kilkenny's dominant years were interrupted occasionally by a resurgent Tipperary, but I don't see a similar competitor to Limerick. It's a one horse race"
They will be deserving favourites next year but there is no such thing as a 1 horse race in hurling.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3207 - 29/08/2021 20:43:47    2376152

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Replying To Viking66:  "They will be deserving favourites next year but there is no such thing as a 1 horse race in hurling."
To quote the great scribe Tommy Conlon after the Munster Final ......

"Limerick show new gear when parking tank on the front lawn

Tommy Conlon

July 25 2021 02:30 AM

After Limerick's fearsome demolition of Tipperary last Sunday, it seems we are no longer left with an All-Ireland hurling championship worthy of the name.

Instead we are left with a fairground attraction in which the local gallants are invited to take a few pot shots at the champ before being carried out of the ring not knowing what day of the week it is.

Limerick's third-quarter exhibition of uppercuts and haymakers in Páirc Uí Chaoimh was so comprehensively formidable that they were more or less pronounced invincible thereafter. Despite having two All-Irelands already in the bag, that second-half performance elevated them to a new pedestal that towers above all other contenders in the contemporary game. They are out on their own. They have lapped the field. They are the champions du jour, the champions elect, the champions for years to come"

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 289 - 29/08/2021 21:49:31    2376182

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Maurice Shanahan 4-13 today on top of all he scored last year. Connors is still not just the best defender in the county but one of the best in the country. Makes you wonder but I guess that is why Liam Cahill is the manager and not me or anyone else.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1642 - 29/08/2021 23:02:34    2376212

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Replying To johnocarroll17:  "To quote the great scribe Tommy Conlon after the Munster Final ......

"Limerick show new gear when parking tank on the front lawn

Tommy Conlon

July 25 2021 02:30 AM

After Limerick's fearsome demolition of Tipperary last Sunday, it seems we are no longer left with an All-Ireland hurling championship worthy of the name.

Instead we are left with a fairground attraction in which the local gallants are invited to take a few pot shots at the champ before being carried out of the ring not knowing what day of the week it is.

Limerick's third-quarter exhibition of uppercuts and haymakers in Páirc Uí Chaoimh was so comprehensively formidable that they were more or less pronounced invincible thereafter. Despite having two All-Irelands already in the bag, that second-half performance elevated them to a new pedestal that towers above all other contenders in the contemporary game. They are out on their own. They have lapped the field. They are the champions du jour, the champions elect, the champions for years to come""
The great scribe is correct! Champions for years to come... at least 3 years. There will be a few sparring partners, but no serious opposition. Cork's underage teams will be next contenders in a few years.

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 657 - 30/08/2021 00:59:55    2376235

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Replying To Canuck:  "Maurice Shanahan 4-13 today on top of all he scored last year. Connors is still not just the best defender in the county but one of the best in the country. Makes you wonder but I guess that is why Liam Cahill is the manager and not me or anyone else."
You would wonder all right about the logic of leaving them off the panel completely? Surely They could offer something going forward, even as subs..
As you say they're both quality players and strength in depth is essential.
If Cahill wanted to make a statement of intent by dropping them when he took over that's probably well and truly done now...

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 900 - 30/08/2021 09:52:58    2376273

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Replying To Canuck:  "Maurice Shanahan 4-13 today on top of all he scored last year. Connors is still not just the best defender in the county but one of the best in the country. Makes you wonder but I guess that is why Liam Cahill is the manager and not me or anyone else."
Hope Cahill has good reasons for omitting them, and if so, should clarify them. Maurice Shanahan was contacted by phone after 13 years service, and told his services were no longer required. He certainly is a prolific scorer in club championship. Noel Connors is an excellent hurler!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 657 - 30/08/2021 12:15:29    2376345

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Replying To johnocarroll17:  "To quote the great scribe Tommy Conlon after the Munster Final ......

"Limerick show new gear when parking tank on the front lawn

Tommy Conlon

July 25 2021 02:30 AM

After Limerick's fearsome demolition of Tipperary last Sunday, it seems we are no longer left with an All-Ireland hurling championship worthy of the name.

Instead we are left with a fairground attraction in which the local gallants are invited to take a few pot shots at the champ before being carried out of the ring not knowing what day of the week it is.

Limerick's third-quarter exhibition of uppercuts and haymakers in Páirc Uí Chaoimh was so comprehensively formidable that they were more or less pronounced invincible thereafter. Despite having two All-Irelands already in the bag, that second-half performance elevated them to a new pedestal that towers above all other contenders in the contemporary game. They are out on their own. They have lapped the field. They are the champions du jour, the champions elect, the champions for years to come""
Omniscient!! A wise man inded . Says it all.

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1295 - 30/08/2021 13:22:59    2376392

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Replying To Rockies:  "The great scribe is correct! Champions for years to come... at least 3 years. There will be a few sparring partners, but no serious opposition. Cork's underage teams will be next contenders in a few years."
Cork's time will come. Of that there is no doubt

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 289 - 30/08/2021 14:12:03    2376416

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Replying To johnocarroll17:  "Cork's time will come. Of that there is no doubt"
It surely will, now the rebel ladies are in the Camogie final. Progress on all sides.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 390 - 30/08/2021 14:16:09    2376417

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Is it not up to the manager of all teams to pick the players he wants?our own man in limerick got rid of fellas after 2018 and no questions were asked..I'm sure if players like those mentioned catch the managers eye they'll be back in contention..I'm sure there are players in every county who people would say they should be on the panels..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 1395 - 30/08/2021 14:28:02    2376427

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