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Replying To Bon:  "To be fair I remember that match well, and that incident Gary Kirby was well and truly lined up by Liam Dunne. That said did I don't think it was the sole reason they lost that game but he was done."
I don't believe he was. We have always been told under a dropping ball not to try pull on a ball like that because a centre back is going to pull no matter what. Put up your hurl and protect your hand.
The only reason for pulling that way was to try "lay down a marker" and boy did it backfire on him!
And I would also add, it was far from the worst pull in that match!
Not that it matters to me, I don't remember the match. My point was in relation to the "winners win, losers make excuses" point above.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1377 - 26/08/2021 14:23:55    2374979

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On the handpass, what about if we allowed the throw but it had to hit the ground before a team mate could touch it?

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1377 - 26/08/2021 14:24:56    2374980

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "On the handpass, what about if we allowed the throw but it had to hit the ground before a team mate could touch it?"
There are many good options to tweak the hand pass but starting with implementing the rule of how it should be executed. Next give the referees the help required to carry out all of the rules. However the GAA or rules committee could not be trusted to walk the dog after the fiasco of the cynical fouling this year. They are completely unabashfull about this with no explanation as to how it ended where it is. I think don't thing leave them touch anything.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1642 - 26/08/2021 15:06:25    2375000

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Replying To Westfester:  "Yes I would also be one of the tiny minority who would prefer if the existing rule was enforced consistently. Currently it is ignored at intercounty level and generally enforced but again not consistently at interclub grades.
In my opinion a lot of the problems in football nowadays stemmed from lack of enforcement of the tackle rule in the 90s.
Similar laissez faire attitude to the handpass rule will lead to other problems."
I'd be amazed if only 'a tiny minority' would prefer if the existing rule was enforced correctly. Is that the same as saying that a huge majority want to see 'throwing' the ball legitimised in the game of hurling? I think it is, and I don't believe that is the case at all.

Anyone who is not irritated by throwy handpasses in hurling doesn't have any great feel for the game imo. We're not looking for big change here. Just a return to rule implementation, specifically in relation to the clear striking action element of the handpass.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 2507 - 26/08/2021 16:37:14    2375020

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Thrown handpasses are a problem that ll only get worse next year. Then the GAA will do what it always does..it ll try to crack.a nut with a hammer. They ll bring in some draconian rule limiting the handpass completely when all they need to do is enforce the rules as they are.
Remember when you had to have a closed fist in passing a gaelic football and couldn't swap the ball into the other hand. Now you can throw it. And Gaelic is a brutal watch now.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1559 - 26/08/2021 17:05:03    2375026

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Great news for Waterford fans, shows good faith in the squad

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 90 - 26/08/2021 17:10:43    2375029

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The teamwork of this magnificent Limerick team is a joy to behold and the well executed pass be it from stick or hand is key to this.Limerick players generally do not hold on to possession and allow the swarm tackle and turnovers.I looked at the full game again last night and Limerick missed a hatful of points and some goals in the second half.Its hard to believe but Cork could have been beaten by another ten points as Limerick were so superior.
These are surely wonderful days to be a Limerick supporter.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 862 - 26/08/2021 17:24:10    2375032

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "The teamwork of this magnificent Limerick team is a joy to behold and the well executed pass be it from stick or hand is key to this.Limerick players generally do not hold on to possession and allow the swarm tackle and turnovers.I looked at the full game again last night and Limerick missed a hatful of points and some goals in the second half.Its hard to believe but Cork could have been beaten by another ten points as Limerick were so superior.
These are surely wonderful days to be a Limerick supporter."
Limerick could have scored 5-40 or more in that final imo, if they'd maintained their optimum level of motivation for the duration. I think they could have won by 30+ points, if they'd really been bothered to do so. It was obvious that they switched down a bit after 45-50 mins there, emptied the bench, increased their widecount, and played the game out in first or second gear.

Apart from our own McInerney running over Gillane at last year's semi, I haven't seen a Limerick player 'suffer' physically in about 4 seasons. Limerick are laying down the law physically all over the field, and have the supreme fitness, power, hurling, & honed gameplan to win all of their key games as they please, at this point in time.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 2507 - 26/08/2021 17:38:42    2375034

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "I'd be amazed if only 'a tiny minority' would prefer if the existing rule was enforced correctly. Is that the same as saying that a huge majority want to see 'throwing' the ball legitimised in the game of hurling? I think it is, and I don't believe that is the case at all.

Anyone who is not irritated by throwy handpasses in hurling doesn't have any great feel for the game imo. We're not looking for big change here. Just a return to rule implementation, specifically in relation to the clear striking action element of the handpass."
I suggested a long time ago if you receives a hand pass you can not make one. Simple these smart players will use it where id reaps the most benefit.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1642 - 26/08/2021 18:18:31    2375041

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "I'd be amazed if only 'a tiny minority' would prefer if the existing rule was enforced correctly. Is that the same as saying that a huge majority want to see 'throwing' the ball legitimised in the game of hurling? I think it is, and I don't believe that is the case at all.

Anyone who is not irritated by throwy handpasses in hurling doesn't have any great feel for the game imo. We're not looking for big change here. Just a return to rule implementation, specifically in relation to the clear striking action element of the handpass."
You still have to give it properly within the rules. Any throwing of the ball is wrong.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1642 - 26/08/2021 18:20:01    2375042

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "The teamwork of this magnificent Limerick team is a joy to behold and the well executed pass be it from stick or hand is key to this.Limerick players generally do not hold on to possession and allow the swarm tackle and turnovers.I looked at the full game again last night and Limerick missed a hatful of points and some goals in the second half.Its hard to believe but Cork could have been beaten by another ten points as Limerick were so superior.
These are surely wonderful days to be a Limerick supporter."
Have to agree that Limerick's hand passing is to move quickly on the attack and not just to maintain possession. However I believe the game could do with less and at least do not allow illegal one that I would say is at 70%. Hard to find many flaws in the fabulous Limerick team.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1642 - 26/08/2021 18:44:55    2375049

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "The teamwork of this magnificent Limerick team is a joy to behold and the well executed pass be it from stick or hand is key to this.Limerick players generally do not hold on to possession and allow the swarm tackle and turnovers.I looked at the full game again last night and Limerick missed a hatful of points and some goals in the second half.Its hard to believe but Cork could have been beaten by another ten points as Limerick were so superior.
These are surely wonderful days to be a Limerick supporter."
Limerick have a brilliant hurling team. The best i've seen. If they keep their hunger, they will surely win a few more All Irelands. It's certainly a great time to be a Treaty supporter. I'm just curious about hurling in County Limerick. Is hurling played all over the county or is it more Gaelic football in West Limerick in towns like Newcastlewest and Abbeyfeale.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1549 - 26/08/2021 19:28:54    2375055

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Replying To Bon:  "To be fair I remember that match well, and that incident Gary Kirby was well and truly lined up by Liam Dunne. That said did I don't think it was the sole reason they lost that game but he was done."
Nice to hear the Liam Dunne swing at Gary Kirby, breaking the finger of our free-taker, referred to by a non-Limerickman. Thanks. Wexford even bragged about it after. It's not something we should NOT mention in polite circles lest we offend the perpetrator. Probably played a big part in Wexford winning 96 All-Ireland .

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1295 - 26/08/2021 19:38:26    2375056

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Replying To Viking66:  "Remember it too. It epitomised how up for the game Griffin had Dunne and the lads. Every team that has ever won an all Ireland played with that intensity. Or they wouldnt have won."
assault DOES NOT mean intensity.

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1295 - 26/08/2021 19:40:47    2375058

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Replying To endgame:  "Limerick have a brilliant hurling team. The best i've seen. If they keep their hunger, they will surely win a few more All Irelands. It's certainly a great time to be a Treaty supporter. I'm just curious about hurling in County Limerick. Is hurling played all over the county or is it more Gaelic football in West Limerick in towns like Newcastlewest and Abbeyfeale."
its more football in West Limerick.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 862 - 26/08/2021 20:44:46    2375067

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Replying To endgame:  "Limerick have a brilliant hurling team. The best i've seen. If they keep their hunger, they will surely win a few more All Irelands. It's certainly a great time to be a Treaty supporter. I'm just curious about hurling in County Limerick. Is hurling played all over the county or is it more Gaelic football in West Limerick in towns like Newcastlewest and Abbeyfeale."
endgame. You can almost 100% rule out the city, the game is second to football in NCW and it is not played at all in Abbeyfeale. It is overall a rural game in the county and is played by a much smaller proportion of the population that in Cork. I would there about four or even five times more hurlers in Cork than there are in Limerick and twice more in Galway.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3258 - 26/08/2021 20:49:43    2375068

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Replying To PatOLogical:  "Nice to hear the Liam Dunne swing at Gary Kirby, breaking the finger of our free-taker, referred to by a non-Limerickman. Thanks. Wexford even bragged about it after. It's not something we should NOT mention in polite circles lest we offend the perpetrator. Probably played a big part in Wexford winning 96 All-Ireland ."
Limerick were their own undoing in 19996 final.With the extra man all second half Limerick forwards bunched in front of the Wexford goals and kept it narrow for their own puck outs...played into Wexford defenders hands completely....they were so naieve,I couldn't believe it ,I was roaring at them to spread out to the width of the pitch...was so frustrating and so inept.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 862 - 26/08/2021 20:53:42    2375071

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Replying To Rockies:  "Congratulations to Limerick... a few more years of hurling dominance is in the offing! No regrets here... Cork have good underage teams in pipeline. I enjoyed the pregame banter.... "Siege of Limerick was the only siege where the inhabitants wanted to escape ". Ha ha"
Thanks Rockies. Appreciated, and yes indeed Cork will rise again.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3258 - 26/08/2021 20:53:48    2375072

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Replying To PatOLogical:  "Nice to hear the Liam Dunne swing at Gary Kirby, breaking the finger of our free-taker, referred to by a non-Limerickman. Thanks. Wexford even bragged about it after. It's not something we should NOT mention in polite circles lest we offend the perpetrator. Probably played a big part in Wexford winning 96 All-Ireland ."
The physical side of the game has and always will be there. Bluntly at the top level teams are either on the receiving end or dishing it out. With the exception of the 2013 final which were played by two extremely light fast teams most finals have enough players laying down the law. Same as most sports at the highest level.

Limerick as a county have certainly learned lessons over the years. In 96 we had a pretty powerful team but they wholly lost the physical battle. Carey o neill and Kirby certainly hit but that's the game. In 07 both Stephen Lucey and Seamus hickey were hit by shefflin and Brennan in identical incidents to the Seamus Flanagan incident in the Munster final. Even more galling was the wild pull by Noel hickey after he pulled his hamstring on Mike Fitzgerald. None received cards! No point in being victims I'd imagine is an ethos that is discussed amongst that group.

The other thing that happens when a young team gets success is they play a lot of games at the highest level and learn these rules of combat themselves. In the 18 final I felt Galway certainly played as the older more streetwise team. Johnny Glynn had one particularly wild swing on Richie English. He swung wildly on Richie McCarthy also who returned the compliment! Munster final in 19 saw Peter Casey (on 1-5) taken off after a shoulder to the head by Ronan Maher. Semi final in 19 saw Barry Nash hit with a head high elbow. None of these incidents saw red. Teams learn to live by the sword. Personally think Casey was unlucky to see red and that Limericks reputation played more of a role.


I've watched back the final a good few times now. The Cian lynch judo incident all comes from a wild swing from Downey in the same sequence. Clearly incensed mulcahy who saw it in full leading to his mini meltdown. TOM goes high from behind on lynch and Cian reacts. TOM gives a little poke on the ground. None are innocent but all are unhurt and the ref will n his sanity told all to cop on.

Sugary_tae (Limerick) - Posts: 40 - 26/08/2021 20:54:41    2375073

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Replying To PatOLogical:  "assault DOES NOT mean intensity."
It wasnt assault. It's a contact sport.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3207 - 26/08/2021 20:56:50    2375076

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