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Shock Results In Days Gone By - Even In The National League

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "I remember that game well, and I had to listen to the round up of the days results on then then radio sports programme to make sure it actually happened..Kilcoyne had a great year that time, hadnt he a brother too and there were a few hand hurlers from memory on that Westmeath team..Kilkenny pipped Westmeath 3-08 to 0-15 in Q/F after..scoring 4 more times and still loosing..."
mick david and james kilcoyne tommy doyle sean greville mick cosgrave ger jackson were members of that team some of our best ever hurlers . the current tommy doyle is a son of tommy who played on that team

mickcunningham (Westmeath) - Posts: 1288 - 18/02/2021 13:31:48    2331863

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "I remember that Mayo/London game, Mayo won in ET so while it was a shock upto that point, yes, it wasnt up there with shocks, as Mayo ultimately won anyway..Westmeath beating Galway in NHL around 1985-6 was a huge shock as Galway would have been All Ireland finalists too..."
2010 the year before Longford knocked us out of the championship. The lowest point I can remember for Mayo football (no disrespect to Longford).

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10471 - 18/02/2021 13:33:47    2331867

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Replying To Ollie2:  "Louth beat Kerry in the league down in Killarney in 2000 a few weeks after Kerry won the All Ireland. Although Kerry only fielded a third of that team that won the All Ireland, this was the Wee County's first time playing in Division One in 30 years. It was Louth's only victory in the league that year and both them and Kerry were relegated. Louth beat Kerry a year later in Ardee to complete a two in a row victory over the Kingdom."
How dare you bring that up! Only joking Ollie.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 1402 - 18/02/2021 14:16:29    2331876

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Longford beat Kerry in the league in 04 in Jack Ó Connor first game as manager. Kerry went on to win all ireland. Clare beating Kerry in 92 munster final a massive shock. In hurling Kerry beating Waterford in munster championship in 93 and for me the biggest shock (although today young people won't understand this) was Antrim beating Offaly in the all ireland semi in 89.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 1402 - 18/02/2021 14:22:16    2331878

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In 1990, Meath were in division 2 of the NFL and were thumped by roscommon after the game was switched from the Hyde to Kiltoom. The following week/ game Meath were playing Antrim in Casement, a mere formality until they got hammered again by 10+ points.

Funny thing was they still went on and won the league after playing 12 games. This was caused by a four way tie for promotion as the teams all had 8 points and they had playoffs for the second promotion spot. Meath v Mayo and Antrim v Tyrone. Meath beat Tyrone in that final. Meath then played Donegal in the QF and came back from 7/8 down with time almost up to win by 3 or 4. They then beat Cork in a very ill tempered semi final and beat an emerging Down team in the final.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1019 - 18/02/2021 14:22:45    2331879

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Replying To mickcunningham:  "mick david and james kilcoyne tommy doyle sean greville mick cosgrave ger jackson were members of that team some of our best ever hurlers . the current tommy doyle is a son of tommy who played on that team"
I remember them as you name them, Ger Jackson was some hurler, as were all of them, pity a breakthrough never came..

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 497 - 18/02/2021 15:27:20    2331888

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Longford beat Kerry in the league in 04 in Jack Ó Connor first game as manager. Kerry went on to win all ireland. Clare beating Kerry in 92 munster final a massive shock. In hurling Kerry beating Waterford in munster championship in 93 and for me the biggest shock (although today young people won't understand this) was Antrim beating Offaly in the all ireland semi in 89."
Kerry beating Waterford was a shock, as a follower of hurling though I do temper that result with the fact that Waterford were not the team they are now, that said they were in the Munster final of 1992 I think (I think that was the first live televised GAA game outside the All Ireland semi finals which we all thought was great every August when they were televised....Antrim beating Offaly was a shock, again, and being an Offaly man and avid hurling man, Antrim had been knocking around, they ran Cork mighty close scoring 1-24 but conceding 7-11 a few years earlier, and 1-24 was unheard of back in them days, yet conceding 7-11 lost them the match, that game from memory Antrim led for most of only the repeated concession of goals cost them dearly in the end..Ime going to guess that game was 1986 AI semi final, without googling that is, I stand corrected..Offaly were an old team in 1989, with Eugene Coughlan and Pat Delaney playing in th forwards, a young Brian Whelehan I think made his debut though...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 497 - 18/02/2021 15:33:55    2331889

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Replying To yew_tree:  "2010 the year before Longford knocked us out of the championship. The lowest point I can remember for Mayo football (no disrespect to Longford)."
being knocked out throght the qualifiers wouldnt shock me really as some teams just dont get up to speed with them games having lost out in their province, it is a bit different now maybe...I would have a hammering was in Cork gave Mayo in 1993 AI semi final after a terrible Connaught final (I stand corrected on the year but I think I am right) and then Mayo having beaten Galway I think 0-06-0-05 or something get whipped 5-14 to 0-06 or someting in the semi final..they were shocking times for Connaught football and we give out about Leinster now...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 497 - 18/02/2021 15:38:28    2331891

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Roscommon hurlers knocking Wexford out of the Ford Centenary Cup, now that was a shock, and a nice novel competition too at the time...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 497 - 18/02/2021 15:39:33    2331892

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "How dare you bring that up! Only joking Ollie."
I can't wait till wee lock horns again Mick. The Wee County will be going for the three in a row over the Kingdom.

Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 264 - 18/02/2021 16:01:20    2331896

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "being knocked out throght the qualifiers wouldnt shock me really as some teams just dont get up to speed with them games having lost out in their province, it is a bit different now maybe...I would have a hammering was in Cork gave Mayo in 1993 AI semi final after a terrible Connaught final (I stand corrected on the year but I think I am right) and then Mayo having beaten Galway I think 0-06-0-05 or something get whipped 5-14 to 0-06 or someting in the semi final..they were shocking times for Connaught football and we give out about Leinster now..."
Too young to remember 1993 thank god. I think the 1992 semi final between Mayo and Donegal was described as one of the worst games ever too but of course Donegal went on to shock Dublin and the country in the final which was described beforehand as a foregone conclusion.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10471 - 18/02/2021 16:34:10    2331902

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Replying To Ollie2:  "I can't wait till wee lock horns again Mick. The Wee County will be going for the three in a row over the Kingdom."
Nice one Ollie

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 1402 - 18/02/2021 17:09:15    2331908

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "being knocked out throght the qualifiers wouldnt shock me really as some teams just dont get up to speed with them games having lost out in their province, it is a bit different now maybe...I would have a hammering was in Cork gave Mayo in 1993 AI semi final after a terrible Connaught final (I stand corrected on the year but I think I am right) and then Mayo having beaten Galway I think 0-06-0-05 or something get whipped 5-14 to 0-06 or someting in the semi final..they were shocking times for Connaught football and we give out about Leinster now..."
Yes 1993 Cork gave Mayo a terrible beating. I think it was 20 points. Can't remember Connaught final.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 1402 - 18/02/2021 19:34:21    2331929

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "Kerry beating Waterford was a shock, as a follower of hurling though I do temper that result with the fact that Waterford were not the team they are now, that said they were in the Munster final of 1992 I think (I think that was the first live televised GAA game outside the All Ireland semi finals which we all thought was great every August when they were televised....Antrim beating Offaly was a shock, again, and being an Offaly man and avid hurling man, Antrim had been knocking around, they ran Cork mighty close scoring 1-24 but conceding 7-11 a few years earlier, and 1-24 was unheard of back in them days, yet conceding 7-11 lost them the match, that game from memory Antrim led for most of only the repeated concession of goals cost them dearly in the end..Ime going to guess that game was 1986 AI semi final, without googling that is, I stand corrected..Offaly were an old team in 1989, with Eugene Coughlan and Pat Delaney playing in th forwards, a young Brian Whelehan I think made his debut though..."
Indeed it was 1986, it was gutting for us posting 1-24 and not winning. It seemed every time Cork got inside our 65 they scored a goal.

We had a great team around that time and should have beaten Kilkenny in 1991 as well, losing the Al semi by 2 points (2-18 to 1-19).

M Lyster (Antrim) - Posts: 431 - 18/02/2021 20:09:24    2331933

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Replying To M Lyster:  "Indeed it was 1986, it was gutting for us posting 1-24 and not winning. It seemed every time Cork got inside our 65 they scored a goal.

We had a great team around that time and should have beaten Kilkenny in 1991 as well, losing the Al semi by 2 points (2-18 to 1-19)."
good man thanks for the reply, and yes, that 1991 semi final did slip from memory, probably because I think Tipp pipped Kilkenny in a scrappy final (Michael Clearys free out on the wing went the whole way to the net was the highlight of that game I think)...If Kilkenny had won, we woul all have said "and Antrim almost caught them in the semi"...that said Antrim may have been a better final against Tipp owing to the 1989 final being an open flowing game with lots of scores too...we will never know as they say...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 497 - 19/02/2021 10:49:43    2331977

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Fermanagh beating armagh in 2004.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 253 - 19/02/2021 12:38:55    2331995

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I remember seeing results from the hurling league from about 1992/93 and both Antrim and Down were in Div 1. Both had big results beaten Kilkenny and the likes. I think Kilkenny were actually relegated

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 491 - 19/02/2021 13:13:28    2332003

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Replying To oneoff:  "I remember seeing results from the hurling league from about 1992/93 and both Antrim and Down were in Div 1. Both had big results beaten Kilkenny and the likes. I think Kilkenny were actually relegated"
True. Kilkenny were relegated in 1993. But they also happened to win the All-Ireland that year, which tells you all you need to know about league hurling.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1186 - 19/02/2021 16:18:20    2332033

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "True. Kilkenny were relegated in 1993. But they also happened to win the All-Ireland that year, which tells you all you need to know about league hurling."
ah it need not be that way either, the league campaigns of those years were competitive all through and counties wanted to win (my point eslewhere where counties reach the league final and then put out a weak team in the final as they are out in the championship two weeks later- makes a mockery of all that has gone in the games before) For alot of counties (back then) a league win was very very acceptable, now its all too championship focussed with massive panels and possiby almost 2 different line ups avail to each county most weeks in the league if the want...manys the team won the League also and got nowhere in the championship (LImerick 1984 and 85 for example) I hear your point about Kilkenny being relegated, that happens too...but if league was treated with respect it could be a better competition than the championship itself, more games and more to play for each week..not one big build up to a game, which if lost, often knocks the steam out of the team for the rest of that year..that happens too..

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 497 - 22/02/2021 13:31:41    2332434

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "ah it need not be that way either, the league campaigns of those years were competitive all through and counties wanted to win (my point eslewhere where counties reach the league final and then put out a weak team in the final as they are out in the championship two weeks later- makes a mockery of all that has gone in the games before) For alot of counties (back then) a league win was very very acceptable, now its all too championship focussed with massive panels and possiby almost 2 different line ups avail to each county most weeks in the league if the want...manys the team won the League also and got nowhere in the championship (LImerick 1984 and 85 for example) I hear your point about Kilkenny being relegated, that happens too...but if league was treated with respect it could be a better competition than the championship itself, more games and more to play for each week..not one big build up to a game, which if lost, often knocks the steam out of the team for the rest of that year..that happens too.."
I actually think the league is treated with more respect by the bigger counties than years ago. I remember years ago Kerry would try out players but the regulars would be unfit and overweight. Nowadays teams try to win it more imo.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 1402 - 22/02/2021 14:11:52    2332438

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