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Replying To realdub:  "Thanks for the education im off to procreate with the tree in my back garden, and I want to be respected for it :D"
Gomie, you were the one asked me the difference between gender and sex.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3448 - 22/01/2021 18:06:30    2328556

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "You keep talking about intolerance, I suggest you read over your previous posts and see who is intolerant, talk about calling the kettle black."
I'm happy though that I'm not an apologist,am completely free from the shackles that I inherited and that were foisted on me since I was a child....it's a wonderful feeling,freedom from a warped indoctrination.....Yipee!

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 755 - 22/01/2021 19:08:52    2328566

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Replying To realdub:  "Thanks for the education im off to procreate with the tree in my back garden, and I want to be respected for it :D"
I hope you get some wood.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5482 - 22/01/2021 19:17:36    2328568

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Replying To Greengrass:  "I hope you get some wood."
:D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8127 - 22/01/2021 19:32:40    2328572

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Replying To Whammo86:  "No you're mixing up gender with sex."
Looked it up to educate myself. Spent hours reading. Even the WHO have published papers on the subject. There are 2 sexes Male and female. Sex is a biological term. Gender and Sex were interchangeable terms right up to the 80s. There are however more than 2 genders these days as you have transgender, non binary, and a host of other terms made up to describe people who dont feel comfortable with the sex they were born with. But that doesn't change the fact that they were born either Male or Female. Anyhow more relevant to the thread when will Antrim get back playing at Casement park? I know it's not the traditional home of Antrims hurlers but I spent many an afternoon sitting on the grass watching games there when I was at college in Belfast in the early 90s!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 2423 - 22/01/2021 20:54:26    2328595

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "I'm happy though that I'm not an apologist,am completely free from the shackles that I inherited and that were foisted on me since I was a child....it's a wonderful feeling,freedom from a warped indoctrination.....Yipee!"
Looking at the clock, it is way past your bedtime.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 138 - 22/01/2021 21:04:55    2328598

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "Looking at the clock, it is way past your bedtime."
go on give us another apologist viewpoint and then you can sleep soundly....all guilt removed..lol!

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 755 - 22/01/2021 22:10:08    2328611

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Tradition.I well remember our club chairman taking out a bottle of holy water in the dressing room and sprinkling every player before we went out to play.
I well remember standing with the crowd at Connacht finals bellowing out;
"Faith of our fathers holy faith
......We will be true to thee 'til death
How sweet would be our children's fate
If they,like them,could die for thee"
Who needed a motivational speech after that!?

worple (Roscommon) - Posts: 294 - 22/01/2021 23:09:47    2328621

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "go on give us another apologist viewpoint and then you can sleep soundly....all guilt removed..lol!"
You really do need to let go.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5482 - 23/01/2021 01:39:38    2328623

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At a time when Gaelic football is about as competitive as the North Korean political system, when the GAA hierarchy have buried their heads on the Dublin monster they created. At a time when a lot of players are walking away from county football because it is a waste of their time and while we are in a pandemic which no one knows when is going to end......the GAA come out with the cracker that they will pump 71 million Euros in to Dublin's home manor, upgrade the corporate fat cats facilities and put up a few more photos on the wall. Great timing but unsurprising. Those running the GAA are as about as detached and distant from the broad base of Gaels on this island as they could possibly get. They have now openly stated what way they are going and it's 100% Dublin. Gaelic football was struggling badly as it was, this is just the laxative to help it on it's way. Brilliant, Marie Antoinette couldn't have written it better.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9344 - 23/01/2021 01:46:43    2328624

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Replying To worple:  "Tradition of throwing in the ball.I believe Kerry played a game in America in the 1930s . Jack Dempsey ,world heavyweight boxing champion,threw in the ball.He asked one of the players what was the procedure and the player replied "throw the ball over your head and then run like hell-you might get hurt""
Sixteen fellas going for the ball in those days, of course.

Not just four.

Serious risk of accidentally being the seventeenth fella.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 468 - 23/01/2021 10:36:40    2328630

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "At a time when Gaelic football is about as competitive as the North Korean political system, when the GAA hierarchy have buried their heads on the Dublin monster they created. At a time when a lot of players are walking away from county football because it is a waste of their time and while we are in a pandemic which no one knows when is going to end......the GAA come out with the cracker that they will pump 71 million Euros in to Dublin's home manor, upgrade the corporate fat cats facilities and put up a few more photos on the wall. Great timing but unsurprising. Those running the GAA are as about as detached and distant from the broad base of Gaels on this island as they could possibly get. They have now openly stated what way they are going and it's 100% Dublin. Gaelic football was struggling badly as it was, this is just the laxative to help it on it's way. Brilliant, Marie Antoinette couldn't have written it better."
Very worrying times indeed for Gaelic football. Not sure what the future holds. Would hate to see a day when there would just be pockets around the country where football continued to be played. Let's hope that the GAA get back to focusing on grass roots & clubs. A rising tide should lift all boats.

P.Mckenna (Louth) - Posts: 50 - 23/01/2021 10:38:21    2328631

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Replying To Greengrass:  "You really do need to let go."
I let ago along time ago,its you that's on their coat tails!

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 755 - 23/01/2021 12:08:22    2328638

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "At a time when Gaelic football is about as competitive as the North Korean political system, when the GAA hierarchy have buried their heads on the Dublin monster they created. At a time when a lot of players are walking away from county football because it is a waste of their time and while we are in a pandemic which no one knows when is going to end......the GAA come out with the cracker that they will pump 71 million Euros in to Dublin's home manor, upgrade the corporate fat cats facilities and put up a few more photos on the wall. Great timing but unsurprising. Those running the GAA are as about as detached and distant from the broad base of Gaels on this island as they could possibly get. They have now openly stated what way they are going and it's 100% Dublin. Gaelic football was struggling badly as it was, this is just the laxative to help it on it's way. Brilliant, Marie Antoinette couldn't have written it better."
Yes Dublin GAA will benefit greatly from the upgrading of the museum at Croke Park and new brass handles on the conference room doors. You should do yourself a favour and read the first few chapters of Bernard Brogan's book to get some sense of the Dublin team's training regime in the winter month's at Inisfails in Balgriffin - training on a bobbly sandy pitch, nails hammered into wooden planks to hang your coat and cold showers. Apart from their players being great ambassadors for the game, the skill that they bring to the park is one of the few shining lights in a sport that has become dogged by grim blanket defensive tactics.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4393 - 23/01/2021 12:09:36    2328639

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Replying To worple:  "Tradition.I well remember our club chairman taking out a bottle of holy water in the dressing room and sprinkling every player before we went out to play.
I well remember standing with the crowd at Connacht finals bellowing out;
"Faith of our fathers holy faith
......We will be true to thee 'til death
How sweet would be our children's fate
If they,like them,could die for thee"
Who needed a motivational speech after that!?"
And 9000 children did "die for thee" in a network of 18 religious institutions between 1922 and 1998 in Ireland, buried in mass graves.

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Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1407 - 23/01/2021 13:40:26    2328641

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What was the reasoning behind having a cleric throw in the ball at hurling and football games?

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 755 - 23/01/2021 14:18:55    2328645

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "What was the reasoning behind having a cleric throw in the ball at hurling and football games?"
"The GAA's obviously based on Catholic parishes, Dr Croke was the first patron of the Association and successive archbishops of Cashel have been patrons of the GAA. The Christian Brothers made GAA games the main games in their schools all of that shows at least at start the two organisations were hand in glove and clerics throwing ball was just part of that.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2386 - 23/01/2021 14:59:31    2328647

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "I let ago along time ago,its you that's on their coat tails!"
I'm on nobody's coat tails ONdeDITCH. Keep throwing out the insults if it makes you feel better.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5482 - 23/01/2021 16:47:12    2328654

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Replying To Joxer:  "Yes Dublin GAA will benefit greatly from the upgrading of the museum at Croke Park and new brass handles on the conference room doors. You should do yourself a favour and read the first few chapters of Bernard Brogan's book to get some sense of the Dublin team's training regime in the winter month's at Inisfails in Balgriffin - training on a bobbly sandy pitch, nails hammered into wooden planks to hang your coat and cold showers. Apart from their players being great ambassadors for the game, the skill that they bring to the park is one of the few shining lights in a sport that has become dogged by grim blanket defensive tactics."
I'm not looking to pick a row with you Joxer but that post is a little self serving. There are an awful lot of highly dedicated young men playing senior inter county football throughout the country. There are plenty of highly skilled footballers from outside of Dublin entertaining people. Conor McManus, Michael Murphy, Shane Walsh and David Clifford to name but a very few. There are also plenty of teams who play entertaining football. You wrote about Dublin's footballers being marvellous ambassadors for the game. I couldn't agree more. I am very proud of how they represent Gaelic games both on and off the field. They are a great credit to themselves to Dublin and to us all. You also wrote about the ramshackle conditions in Balgriffin. That is a damning indictment of the Dublin County Board. An awful lot of counties including my own have built centres of excellence in order to provide good trading facilities for all their county teams both male and female. Every club in my county is paying a levy of €3,000 a year to pay for the centre of excellence. That money would do a lot of good if it was spent on the underage teams in each club. The building of a brand new 14,000 seater stadium has now been put out to tender. The Louth County Board has to contribute a significant seven figure sum towards the building of the new stadium. That money too would do an awful lot of good in relation to the development of underage football and hurling in the county. Dublin's stadium is nowhere near being commensurate with their needs. To the best of my knowledge Dublin doesn't have a centre of excellence. Dublin County Board should be told to get their house in order and provide their players with proper facilities. If they don't do so their games development grants should be withheld

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5482 - 23/01/2021 17:18:11    2328660

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Replying To Greengrass:  "I'm not looking to pick a row with you Joxer but that post is a little self serving. There are an awful lot of highly dedicated young men playing senior inter county football throughout the country. There are plenty of highly skilled footballers from outside of Dublin entertaining people. Conor McManus, Michael Murphy, Shane Walsh and David Clifford to name but a very few. There are also plenty of teams who play entertaining football. You wrote about Dublin's footballers being marvellous ambassadors for the game. I couldn't agree more. I am very proud of how they represent Gaelic games both on and off the field. They are a great credit to themselves to Dublin and to us all. You also wrote about the ramshackle conditions in Balgriffin. That is a damning indictment of the Dublin County Board. An awful lot of counties including my own have built centres of excellence in order to provide good trading facilities for all their county teams both male and female. Every club in my county is paying a levy of €3,000 a year to pay for the centre of excellence. That money would do a lot of good if it was spent on the underage teams in each club. The building of a brand new 14,000 seater stadium has now been put out to tender. The Louth County Board has to contribute a significant seven figure sum towards the building of the new stadium. That money too would do an awful lot of good in relation to the development of underage football and hurling in the county. Dublin's stadium is nowhere near being commensurate with their needs. To the best of my knowledge Dublin doesn't have a centre of excellence. Dublin County Board should be told to get their house in order and provide their players with proper facilities. If they don't do so their games development grants should be withheld"
Fully agree - I have been saying that for ages on here...
All the money has been pumped into coaching and trying to increase GAA participation numbers in Dublin.

A Senior Club team wouldn't want to play in those Balgriffin facilities... They are shocking and so is the other training pitch the Dubs use...!
DCB now have 2 large sites purchased - 1 recently.
Centre of Excellence planned for one of them, with some training pitches inc All Weather Pitches, with clubhouse etc, and it is to be made available for a local GAA club to use also.

As for a Stadium for Dublin - plenty of options imo but nothing being done. Far too easy to just continue to rent Croke Park. Although with the clamour to take the Dubs out of Croke Park, this is the perfect time imo for the DCB to look into something. Why not build a mid size Stadium on the other site that DCB own, but I hear it will be turned into another Centre of Excellence. Maybe additional land could be purchased in Hollystown.?
With AIG on board, there would be no shortage of sponsors lining up to support a new Stadium development.
Covid wont be around forever, so there could be plenty of income streams from it....
Or you could sell Parnell Park if it still cant be developed. There are other sites in Dublin that could also be developed.
Only use, and let Dublin use, Croke Park for League Finals, Leinster Finals, and All Ireland Semi Finals and Finals.

Word I am hearing is that the DCB have now got all their coaching structures firmly in place and construction of facilities etc is next on their hit list. Hopefully a Stadium will now be in their updated plans...!
It is something all Dublin supporters want - our own fit for purpose stadium, away from Croke Park and away from all the grief using it, is generating...!

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3337 - 23/01/2021 19:21:25    2328676

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