National Forum

Galway V Tipperary (Gaillimh In Aghaidh Tiobraid Arann).

(Oldest Posts First) - Go To The Latest Post


Replying To CTGAA10:  "Look lads tipp are probably going to give out about the red card..it was Barrett's own fault,he was on a very harsh yellow but 2nd was stupid from him..the black card is going to have to be considered..a lot of very deliberate pull downs in matches this year..everyone will say it had to be done but there must be a harsher punishment..I think today was first time I only saw mcinerney involved at very end of match..don't think he had touched the bull up to last attack of match..thought both full back lines were struggling for long parts of that match..I saw Liam sheedy mouthing afterwards,maybe he should have a long hard luck at himself,he has stayed to loyal to all the older players he has..galway will be a right handful for limerick..this has the makings of a thriller and an extra bit of spice with Shane o neill on the galway line..I'll just say a good job Johnny Murphy can't do it.."
What's he supposed to do though, not go for the ball? It was clumsy at worst.
Johnny Murphy did a good job cutting out Paudie Maher's and a few others "theatrics", and did have a good game in general. Referees need to stop throwing out yellow cards so easily.
No need for a black card, as a player I would hate it. An automatic penalty for a goal-scoring opportunity and a 10-minute sin bin.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 861 - 21/11/2020 17:47:30    2312093

Link

Replying To yew_tree:  "Should have been a black card no? I don't think Galway posters will be doing much giving out this week about pull downs?? ;)

Well done to Galway. Great game. Will be another classic v Limerick."
We got good training on it last week in both codes. Good to see we're not slow-learners. :)

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 869 - 21/11/2020 18:17:01    2312108

Link

Replying To StoreysTash:  "What's he supposed to do though, not go for the ball? It was clumsy at worst.
Johnny Murphy did a good job cutting out Paudie Maher's and a few others "theatrics", and did have a good game in general. Referees need to stop throwing out yellow cards so easily.
No need for a black card, as a player I would hate it. An automatic penalty for a goal-scoring opportunity and a 10-minute sin bin."
Re Barrett, he was supposed to go for the ball in controlled manner, not bring his girl down on his opponent's head. I'd say it was clumsy at best and completely wreckless from an experienced intercounty player.

Re the black card, a 10 minute sin bin is the current punishment. What exactly are you arguing against?

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 546 - 21/11/2020 18:30:16    2312114

Link

Replying To StoreysTash:  "What's he supposed to do though, not go for the ball? It was clumsy at worst.
Johnny Murphy did a good job cutting out Paudie Maher's and a few others "theatrics", and did have a good game in general. Referees need to stop throwing out yellow cards so easily.
No need for a black card, as a player I would hate it. An automatic penalty for a goal-scoring opportunity and a 10-minute sin bin."
I would have to agree with you. The problem is if that first one is a soft one. Now the next one is deserved and a team down a man. You could see how it effected young Prunty today but the sign of an up and coming great is how he recovered. He was lucky not to be sent off. The first one was weak and he could have got a second easily. It should be definitely be given if a goal scoring chance is taken away and not just on a fight for the ball. The first choice is not for the referee to take away the scoring chance by blowing up as has happened a few times. All in all the refs are doing a good job and can only employ the rules as directed.
Sometimes professional fouls are done but I can also see managers telling players to back in to the full back and invite a foul and then do it again. I prefer any of your alternatives and believe the only reason a player should be thrown out of the game is for deliberate hitting with stick, kicking and injuring an opponent.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 973 - 21/11/2020 18:42:30    2312122

Link

Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "It was a second yellow but I think it should have been a straight red. Barrett brought his hurley down on Concannon's head. If that's not a red card offence, I don't know what is. Commentators appeared to think a yellow card was appropriate enough, though"
Hardly. Looked like he got him on the shoulder to me and I would consider it a harsh red. Its possible that any other defender other than Barrett might have got away with it

UtahBlaine (Galway) - Posts: 36 - 21/11/2020 18:44:41    2312126

Link

Replying To UtahBlaine:  "Hardly. Looked like he got him on the shoulder to me and I would consider it a harsh red. Its possible that any other defender other than Barrett might have got away with it"
Exactly. Not for a second disputing the yellow but anyone that has played in the back has done that multiple times every season. Wasn't dangerous but a yellow none the less

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2905 - 21/11/2020 18:54:54    2312132

Link

Replying To CTGAA10:  "Look lads tipp are probably going to give out about the red card..it was Barrett's own fault,he was on a very harsh yellow but 2nd was stupid from him..the black card is going to have to be considered..a lot of very deliberate pull downs in matches this year..everyone will say it had to be done but there must be a harsher punishment..I think today was first time I only saw mcinerney involved at very end of match..don't think he had touched the bull up to last attack of match..thought both full back lines were struggling for long parts of that match..I saw Liam sheedy mouthing afterwards,maybe he should have a long hard luck at himself,he has stayed to loyal to all the older players he has..galway will be a right handful for limerick..this has the makings of a thriller and an extra bit of spice with Shane o neill on the galway line..I'll just say a good job Johnny Murphy can't do it.."
I wouldn't be overly critical of sheedy at all. There was on massive mistake and that was playing omeara at 5 when he had Flynn further up the field. Mannions goal was way too soft. OMeara did hurl a lot of ball but a big ask of him to go back there at intercounty level for the first time the last two games.
Someone already mentioned loughmores run probably hampered the two McGrath's which is possible too but overall I'm proud how the team done. They weren't far off

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2905 - 21/11/2020 18:59:23    2312135

Link

Replying To tiobraid:  "Exactly. Not for a second disputing the yellow but anyone that has played in the back has done that multiple times every season. Wasn't dangerous but a yellow none the less"
I hate this kind of thing as it puts a cloud over what should be a great win. Sigh.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1077 - 21/11/2020 19:01:59    2312140

Link

Surprise nobody has mentioned the Biggest talking point of the Game. In the second half Liam sheedy had confronted the linesman, right into his face. Sheedy had no mask.

heartbroken (Galway) - Posts: 348 - 21/11/2020 19:22:01    2312152

Link

Replying To Trump2020:  "I hate this kind of thing as it puts a cloud over what should be a great win. Sigh."
Good win by Galway. They were 6 down in the second half, but put over the points. Aidan Harte's goal clinched it. Repeat of 2018 final the next day.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 108 - 21/11/2020 19:46:55    2312192

Link

Replying To tiobraid:  "Exactly. Not for a second disputing the yellow but anyone that has played in the back has done that multiple times every season. Wasn't dangerous but a yellow none the less"
Barrett was unlucky with the first yellow but Jake Morris was lucky to be still on the field after 26.50 minutes. He was on a yellow and clipped Cathal Mannion at the back of the head after Mannion had struck the ball. Mannion was on the ground in distress. The commentator with Ger Canning, an ex-Tipp player, said there was no intent! Whether there was intent or not, it was very dangerous play. We all know these days the serious effects such blows to the head have in later years. Nobody wants to see players been sent off but for dangerous play, esp hits to the head there should be one clear message to stamp it out. Brian Concannon missed the 2018 All Ireland senior final for a less dangerous strike in an U21 match.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 839 - 22/11/2020 13:05:20    2312661

Link

Replying To baire:  "Barrett was unlucky with the first yellow but Jake Morris was lucky to be still on the field after 26.50 minutes. He was on a yellow and clipped Cathal Mannion at the back of the head after Mannion had struck the ball. Mannion was on the ground in distress. The commentator with Ger Canning, an ex-Tipp player, said there was no intent! Whether there was intent or not, it was very dangerous play. We all know these days the serious effects such blows to the head have in later years. Nobody wants to see players been sent off but for dangerous play, esp hits to the head there should be one clear message to stamp it out. Brian Concannon missed the 2018 All Ireland senior final for a less dangerous strike in an U21 match."
I wouldn't pay much heed to the commentator. He's shocking at that job and yes I agree Morris was lucky. Although Concannon is no angel but I don't clearly remember that incident from a few years ago

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2905 - 22/11/2020 14:24:24    2312735

Link

Replying To tiobraid:  "I wouldn't pay much heed to the commentator. He's shocking at that job and yes I agree Morris was lucky. Although Concannon is no angel but I don't clearly remember that incident from a few years ago"
Congrats to your footballers, a wonderful win on such a historic day for Tipp!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 839 - 22/11/2020 15:45:47    2312831

Link

Replying To tiobraid:  "I wouldn't pay much heed to the commentator. He's shocking at that job and yes I agree Morris was lucky. Although Concannon is no angel but I don't clearly remember that incident from a few years ago"
Congratulations Tipp. Awesome achievement by your footballers.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1077 - 22/11/2020 15:55:10    2312846

Link

I thought Morris was lucky myself as he clearly hit the Galway player in the helmet, although I do wonder are helmets at inter county softer than club ones - tiny tap on the helmet is now roll to the ground, holding the helmet, helmet off, physio on. Although it never happens in the closing stages when the side is losing.........
The only times I've had to take off my helmet was when I got a head-on shoulder or I mis-timed a block a couple of years ago and got a full-on hurl in the faceguard.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 861 - 22/11/2020 16:01:05    2312854

Link

Replying To baire:  "Barrett was unlucky with the first yellow but Jake Morris was lucky to be still on the field after 26.50 minutes. He was on a yellow and clipped Cathal Mannion at the back of the head after Mannion had struck the ball. Mannion was on the ground in distress. The commentator with Ger Canning, an ex-Tipp player, said there was no intent! Whether there was intent or not, it was very dangerous play. We all know these days the serious effects such blows to the head have in later years. Nobody wants to see players been sent off but for dangerous play, esp hits to the head there should be one clear message to stamp it out. Brian Concannon missed the 2018 All Ireland senior final for a less dangerous strike in an U21 match."
Look be careful you don't get what you ask for. Not commenting directly on any of these incidents. Hurling is a contact sport played with a stick and inevitably someone is going to get clipped without intent or necessarily careless play. These early yellow cards are pragmatic to say the least and put the referee in a terrible situation. If the player farts again he is gone off. The gap between the first yellow and what gets him dismissed can be too severe. I believe a player should only be dismissed for intentional striking an opponent. These ones are not as subjective as people say. Careless play should be dealt with some other way. May be a penalty box or a black card. Not a great supporter of black cards either as it turns our games into valentines day. I think the professional foul dragging down a player should be a penalty shot if there is no other defender between the attacker and goal irrespective on how far out it is. If the same player does it again straight red. Why? Because if you give him a yellow and he commits some minor offence that is what he is getting dismissed for. If he pulls down an attacker twice to stop a score he deserves to be sent off.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 973 - 22/11/2020 16:28:40    2312874

Link

Replying To Canuck:  "Look be careful you don't get what you ask for. Not commenting directly on any of these incidents. Hurling is a contact sport played with a stick and inevitably someone is going to get clipped without intent or necessarily careless play. These early yellow cards are pragmatic to say the least and put the referee in a terrible situation. If the player farts again he is gone off. The gap between the first yellow and what gets him dismissed can be too severe. I believe a player should only be dismissed for intentional striking an opponent. These ones are not as subjective as people say. Careless play should be dealt with some other way. May be a penalty box or a black card. Not a great supporter of black cards either as it turns our games into valentines day. I think the professional foul dragging down a player should be a penalty shot if there is no other defender between the attacker and goal irrespective on how far out it is. If the same player does it again straight red. Why? Because if you give him a yellow and he commits some minor offence that is what he is getting dismissed for. If he pulls down an attacker twice to stop a score he deserves to be sent off."
I'm not wishing for anything but player safety and welfare. Nobody wants any player from any county to end their days with Parkinson's, dementia or any other degenerative disease.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 839 - 22/11/2020 17:22:52    2312930

Link

Replying To baire:  "I'm not wishing for anything but player safety and welfare. Nobody wants any player from any county to end their days with Parkinson's, dementia or any other degenerative disease."
Totally agree.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 973 - 22/11/2020 20:04:07    2313309

Link

Replying To baire:  "I'm not wishing for anything but player safety and welfare. Nobody wants any player from any county to end their days with Parkinson's, dementia or any other degenerative disease."
Totally agree.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 973 - 22/11/2020 20:12:01    2313333

Link

Replying To baire:  "Barrett was unlucky with the first yellow but Jake Morris was lucky to be still on the field after 26.50 minutes. He was on a yellow and clipped Cathal Mannion at the back of the head after Mannion had struck the ball. Mannion was on the ground in distress. The commentator with Ger Canning, an ex-Tipp player, said there was no intent! Whether there was intent or not, it was very dangerous play. We all know these days the serious effects such blows to the head have in later years. Nobody wants to see players been sent off but for dangerous play, esp hits to the head there should be one clear message to stamp it out. Brian Concannon missed the 2018 All Ireland senior final for a less dangerous strike in an U21 match."
I wouldnt be in full agreement with you . It looked to me as if Morris had attempted to hook Mannion and followed through with his hurl whether intentionally or not. Either way it wasnt much more than a tap and if Cathal was in distress then it was more of a reflection on him. The problem with stamping it out with red cards is that players are purposely dropping their heads and inviting or forcing the opponents hurl up to make contact with their helmet to draw a free and then compounding it by going down and pulling off same helmet. Whats more they are being coached to do so and thats from first hand knowledge. The game is rife with it at the minute and in my (humble )opinion its a blight on the game. Maybe I'm old fashioned but there was a time when deliberately drawing fouls and hitting the deck was'nt acceptable and hurling was better for it

UtahBlaine (Galway) - Posts: 36 - 22/11/2020 21:44:05    2313499

Link