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Replying To OpenStand:  "It seems every media outlet you turn to is bad mouthing the GAA , many in the Dublin media in particular live in some left wing cocoon and generally detest anything that resembles a traditional Ireland .
They failed with all their surveys and twisting of the figures to stop senior intercounty but now they want to stop minor and other underage County fixtures .
Not a word about under 17 league if ireland fixtures etc , it's just a attack on gaa dresses up as Covid concerns ."
Yeah.. every media outlet is part of some left wing cocoon bad mouthing and plotting against the GAA by twisting figures.. NPHET and Dr Holohans main agenda is to attack the GAA as well and are using Covid as their excuse. Theres even a forum on Hoganstand titled "the corona virus and possible side effects of matches" but they must all be in on it too because of all the negative comments..
Let's set up a new forum called "anti gaa agenda"..
I love a good conspiracy theory but you have to make it somewhat believable..

Sure its nothing to do with the GAA being greedy, nothing to do with money, nothing to do with starting a mickey mouse championship 6months behind schedule in the middle of the worst period of a world wide pandemic coinciding with a 6wk lockdown despite several outbreaks already within various county squads....

borisdblade (Westmeath) - Posts: 159 - 23/10/2020 15:43:34    2300558

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Replying To brisbane:  "How are so many rugby players getting infected if they are in a bubble?"
Irish rugby player McFadden was among group of 12 Barbarians to breach coronavirus protocols. The players left the team hotel without permission or informing organisers of their whereabouts on Wednesday evening.

This is shocking behaviour what a selfish group of rugby players

brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 523 - 23/10/2020 19:42:48    2300605

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Replying To borisdblade:  "Yeah.. every media outlet is part of some left wing cocoon bad mouthing and plotting against the GAA by twisting figures.. NPHET and Dr Holohans main agenda is to attack the GAA as well and are using Covid as their excuse. Theres even a forum on Hoganstand titled "the corona virus and possible side effects of matches" but they must all be in on it too because of all the negative comments..
Let's set up a new forum called "anti gaa agenda"..
I love a good conspiracy theory but you have to make it somewhat believable..

Sure its nothing to do with the GAA being greedy, nothing to do with money, nothing to do with starting a mickey mouse championship 6months behind schedule in the middle of the worst period of a world wide pandemic coinciding with a 6wk lockdown despite several outbreaks already within various county squads...."
No its not mickey mouse which is one of the most over used phrases on this website....

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2276 - 23/10/2020 20:53:27    2300622

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Replying To ArmaghCat:  "Why should they be stopped...based on what medical evidence that controlled games are a risk??

Time people looked in the mirror and took personal responsibility...by all accounts there were shocking scenes last night in Penny's in Dundalk like wtf is wrong with people acting as if its the end of the world

This consumerism is driven by a constant round of drivel from many in the Dublin media who would prefer this island ape the worst excesses of what passes for 'culture' now in UK and USA.......that isn't a dig at England per se as many decent people there are also disgusted at the society their media is helping to create....

By under no illusion but the current furore about inter county games has nothing to do with covid concerns and all to do with a hatred of our national games as they don't ape what happens across both stretches of water to our left and right .....unfortunately some of the disgraceful scenes post matches helped provide ammo for some of these clowns but again what was the common factor in every scenario???? This countrys unhealthy obsession with drink, maybe we need to confront the real elephant in the room that our society feels no significant event can happen without drink .....that is an unhealthy relationship and one that is a real risk to public health not young lads and girls playing our national games"
The problem with GAA games going ahead is their amateur status i.e. they work so they are not in a controlled environment. Play on Sunday pop into the hospital school for work on mondays risks are huge. Compare to professionals, tgeir spirt isvtgeir work, environment is controlled and srlf contained. That is the core issue, loom at some of the high profile intercounty players who have given this year a miss. But we will know soon enough if the concerns are justified or not.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4625 - 23/10/2020 20:54:15    2300623

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There has been alot of vitirol sent the way of my local GAA Club these last few weeks after County final celebrations resulted in a number of lads testing positive for Covid. It seems like this is the chance every anti gaa person has waited for. And as the original poster said, the left wing media has it in for traditional Ireland whether that be the gaa or the church.

11jm11 (Kildare) - Posts: 346 - 23/10/2020 21:03:16    2300625

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Replying To 11jm11:  "There has been alot of vitirol sent the way of my local GAA Club these last few weeks after County final celebrations resulted in a number of lads testing positive for Covid. It seems like this is the chance every anti gaa person has waited for. And as the original poster said, the left wing media has it in for traditional Ireland whether that be the gaa or the church."
Its not anti GAA people. Its people with common sense. And left wing media?? Give me a break.
Like most of ireland the media is significantly right wing. only have to look at the power dave quinn and iona institute. breda o brien etc have for example.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2276 - 23/10/2020 21:33:47    2300627

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Replying To KillingFields:  "No its not mickey mouse which is one of the most over used phrases on this website...."
Both codes are summer sports especially hurling and being from Limerick Im sure you can acknowledge that.
Several squads are already compromised and are forced to either give walk overs or play with peripheral players.. This will most likely continue leaving the championship looking more like a Dr McKenna cup, McGrath cup, OByrne cup etc..

borisdblade (Westmeath) - Posts: 159 - 23/10/2020 21:52:26    2300632

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Its not anti GAA people. Its people with common sense. And left wing media?? Give me a break.
Like most of ireland the media is significantly right wing. only have to look at the power dave quinn and iona institute. breda o brien etc have for example."
Breda O Brien and David Quinn are very much in the minority KillingFields. I agree that we don't have a particularly left wing media. What we do have at national level is a cosy, chattering class commentariat. This commentariat is smug and self satisfied. They brook no contrary opinions and woe betide anyone who has the temerity to challenge the consensus. The GAA would tend to be a target of this commentariat. They can at times be vicious. I remember well the treatment John Hume endured at their hands. It was choreographed, sustained and absolutely vicious. Following the death of John Hume Independent News and Media were left squirming as their shameful treatment of him was remembered and discussed in detail.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5410 - 23/10/2020 22:23:57    2300639

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Replying To borisdblade:  "Both codes are summer sports especially hurling and being from Limerick Im sure you can acknowledge that.
Several squads are already compromised and are forced to either give walk overs or play with peripheral players.. This will most likely continue leaving the championship looking more like a Dr McKenna cup, McGrath cup, OByrne cup etc.."
Yes they are primarily summer based but that doesnt mean that the games on now are "mickey mouse"
Some squads may be compromised but that will likely be case into foreseeable future. Players withdrawing due to covid will be same as injury issues.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2276 - 23/10/2020 23:11:54    2300647

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Replying To borisdblade:  "Both codes are summer sports especially hurling and being from Limerick Im sure you can acknowledge that.
Several squads are already compromised and are forced to either give walk overs or play with peripheral players.. This will most likely continue leaving the championship looking more like a Dr McKenna cup, McGrath cup, OByrne cup etc.."
Virtually every team sport has had to alter and change it's competition's to crown it's yearly winners. Champions league went to 1 off knock out matches on neutral grounds, rugby had teams dropping out from various competition's, various US sports reduced amount of games or reduced playoff teams and some soccer league's in Europe just stopped and crowned the league leaders as champions. The GAA is a tiny organisation by comparison but it has employees to pay and you may call it greed but they need to get money in to survive. Look at the IRFU with a 35million euro hole and the trouble they are in-they have created a new competition with other rugby unions, is that Mickey mouse and greed in your opinion. If it's greed you want look at the Premier league and their antics in the past couple of weeks
Anyway as a Limerick fan I'm looking forward to the weekend and surely all sports fans can enjoy whatever sports they love and take pur mind's of Covid and the whole stupid blame game this country is involved in at the moment.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 483 - 23/10/2020 23:22:46    2300650

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Its not anti GAA people. Its people with common sense. And left wing media?? Give me a break.
Like most of ireland the media is significantly right wing. only have to look at the power dave quinn and iona institute. breda o brien etc have for example."
You're having a laugh, the media is embarrassingly left wing in this sad little island.

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1363 - 23/10/2020 23:58:52    2300658

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Replying To updwell:  "Virtually every team sport has had to alter and change it's competition's to crown it's yearly winners. Champions league went to 1 off knock out matches on neutral grounds, rugby had teams dropping out from various competition's, various US sports reduced amount of games or reduced playoff teams and some soccer league's in Europe just stopped and crowned the league leaders as champions. The GAA is a tiny organisation by comparison but it has employees to pay and you may call it greed but they need to get money in to survive. Look at the IRFU with a 35million euro hole and the trouble they are in-they have created a new competition with other rugby unions, is that Mickey mouse and greed in your opinion. If it's greed you want look at the Premier league and their antics in the past couple of weeks
Anyway as a Limerick fan I'm looking forward to the weekend and surely all sports fans can enjoy whatever sports they love and take pur mind's of Covid and the whole stupid blame game this country is involved in at the moment."
Your comparing professional sports to an amateur sport ran by a "tiny organisation" and that is the difference, its chalk and cheese. IRFU have to pay players big salaries and like any pro sport they had to come up with some alternative, thats survival not greed. Considering GAA players dont get paid, its hard to fathom how they are struggling to pay employees, if that is the case they have too many employees on the books and Im sure those employees would be entitled to Covid payments like the rest. There is surviving and there is greed.

borisdblade (Westmeath) - Posts: 159 - 24/10/2020 01:34:30    2300664

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Replying To updwell:  "Virtually every team sport has had to alter and change it's competition's to crown it's yearly winners. Champions league went to 1 off knock out matches on neutral grounds, rugby had teams dropping out from various competition's, various US sports reduced amount of games or reduced playoff teams and some soccer league's in Europe just stopped and crowned the league leaders as champions. The GAA is a tiny organisation by comparison but it has employees to pay and you may call it greed but they need to get money in to survive. Look at the IRFU with a 35million euro hole and the trouble they are in-they have created a new competition with other rugby unions, is that Mickey mouse and greed in your opinion. If it's greed you want look at the Premier league and their antics in the past couple of weeks
Anyway as a Limerick fan I'm looking forward to the weekend and surely all sports fans can enjoy whatever sports they love and take pur mind's of Covid and the whole stupid blame game this country is involved in at the moment."
Using the term "mickey mouse" wasnt to make little of just the format. Its the whole idea of running a competition at the back end of the year under miserable conditions during lockdown just for the sake of it , to tick a few boxes. It shows how much the organisation values its top flight players.

borisdblade (Westmeath) - Posts: 159 - 24/10/2020 01:47:25    2300665

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I wonder will the anti GAA mob on social media be also calling for rugby to be called to a halt due to the 12 barbarians players breaking covid protocols and their game against England been cancelled.somehow I doubt it

Firstly I'm aware amateur and professional have to be viewed differently and personally I'm fan of rugby the same as I am of GAA and soccer so don't want rugby to be viewed harshly, but the opportunism of the anti GAA mob on social media is obvious as much as it is tiredism, I wouldn't rule out alot of these people complaining possibly breaking restrictions in their personal lives having friends over for dinner etc.

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 3034 - 24/10/2020 02:24:00    2300667

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Its not anti GAA people. Its people with common sense. And left wing media?? Give me a break.
Like most of ireland the media is significantly right wing. only have to look at the power dave quinn and iona institute. breda o brien etc have for example."
The media is not significantly right wing. Most media types in Dublin might not be full on socialists but they share the same smug progressive ideology. You'd think PBP were popular all over given how much time is afforded to them by RTE. The reality is that they only a few TDs from Dublin.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 263 - 24/10/2020 07:49:01    2300673

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Its not anti GAA people. Its people with common sense. And left wing media?? Give me a break.
Like most of ireland the media is significantly right wing. only have to look at the power dave quinn and iona institute. breda o brien etc have for example."
Correct. Having lived and worked among GAA haters in Dublin for decades, the anti Irish culture folks do exist, though, in my view, their numbers are diminishing. I worked in middle class white collar environments in Dublin, and their guard was down, as they assumed (wrongly) that GAA people were all blue collar, so I had a fascinating (and depressing) education in posh Irish cultural attitudes. The sniggering about "the Gah" and "diddley-aye" music. The natural assumption that wild GAA fans would vandalise their cars and property after matches in Croke Park. The faux concerns about the supposed "violence and thuggery" of Gaelic matches. The air of amused contempt on learning that I followed GAA, as if I wasn't yet fully civilised. The cultural loneliness of not being able to chat about a match with any colleagues, unless you were lucky enough to have a Kerry colleague as among all the yahs. (Kerry fans are, in my view, the most knowledgeable and the most objective / hard-headed GAA fans in the country.) Essentially, these anti GAA / anti trad people have inherited, and parrot, the attitudes of the English from 150 years earlier. They live in a sad and bitter little post-colonial bubble of posh bigotry which has direct cultural links right back to the establishment of the Pale and to the Statutes of Kilkenny. When I worked in white collar London, no English person had a clue about the GAA of course, but they were invariably open-minded and interested, with none of the petty snobbishness of their Irish counterparts.

But the posh Dubs (they never describe themselves as "Dubs" of course - and with that type of accent, it'd be pronounced "Dabs" anyway lol) are not the only anti-GAA cohort. The working class Dublin Premiership fan boy is even more bigoted; though the guys with a primary interest in local soccer tend to be grand.

Nor is it accurate, as some posters have done, to ascribe such attitudes to "the left". I'm afraid that the anti-GAA attitude co-exists naturally with a right wing, pro partition, anti Nationalist, middle class viewpoint. The GAA is also seen as representative of working class and rural culture, hence the Dublin middle class desire to distance yourself from the GAA is a way also of affirming your social status. For the Premiership fan boy, it's a way of affirming that you're not a yokel.

The reality is that, for varying reasons, the middle class right and the trendy left each have their reasons for dissing the GAA. It's quite contrived, and simply incorrect, to suggest that the anti GAA mentality is confined to a particular type of politics.

On a more positive note, my perception is that the anti-GAA cohort in the Irish urban middle class is in steep decline. In this century, it's been remarkable to see posh youngsters on Southside Luases carrying hurls.

It's why, even after 5 years of All Ireland misery, I never really begrudge the Dubs. And with the Tyrone team's safety-first brand of football (the Tyrone team plays a worse brand of football than the Tyrone clubs), it's just as well I don't mind the Dubs, as Tyrone's conservative style of play won't do much about it any time soon ...

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 908 - 24/10/2020 09:36:52    2300679

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Replying To wexico15:  "I wonder will the anti GAA mob on social media be also calling for rugby to be called to a halt due to the 12 barbarians players breaking covid protocols and their game against England been cancelled.somehow I doubt it

Firstly I'm aware amateur and professional have to be viewed differently and personally I'm fan of rugby the same as I am of GAA and soccer so don't want rugby to be viewed harshly, but the opportunism of the anti GAA mob on social media is obvious as much as it is tiredism, I wouldn't rule out alot of these people complaining possibly breaking restrictions in their personal lives having friends over for dinner etc."
The 12 Barbarians are getting slated by the rugby media and they will certainly be punished and will most likely be hit with a significant fine. They will be made an example of.
The majority of anti GAA mob are anti sports and share similar views to Soccer and Rugby. The club celebrations hasn't helped the situation.
Any time someone makes point questioning the GAAs decisions, the response always reverts back to making comparisons with rugby and soccer..why? Are we not able to think for ourselves?

borisdblade (Westmeath) - Posts: 159 - 24/10/2020 09:51:14    2300680

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Replying To borisdblade:  "The 12 Barbarians are getting slated by the rugby media and they will certainly be punished and will most likely be hit with a significant fine. They will be made an example of.
The majority of anti GAA mob are anti sports and share similar views to Soccer and Rugby. The club celebrations hasn't helped the situation.
Any time someone makes point questioning the GAAs decisions, the response always reverts back to making comparisons with rugby and soccer..why? Are we not able to think for ourselves?"
From what i know or seen a cohort of the anti GAA mob are soccer people or rugby people or people from other sporting backgrounds, don't like making comparisons to other sports myself, I'd see myself as a sports person who's favourite sport is hurling rather an out and out GAA person, I'll watch Wexford and wicklow in the football today followed by Ireland and Italy in rugby and Dublin and laois in hurling later, watched champions league during the week. Club celebrations didn't help absolutely but if harsh lessons are not taken on board now they never will be. I think the other cohort of the anti GAA mob is this awful modern day cancel culture, if 2020 and social media has showed us 1 thing is how many whingers there really is in this country.

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 3034 - 24/10/2020 10:15:55    2300682

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Replying To essmac:  "Correct. Having lived and worked among GAA haters in Dublin for decades, the anti Irish culture folks do exist, though, in my view, their numbers are diminishing. I worked in middle class white collar environments in Dublin, and their guard was down, as they assumed (wrongly) that GAA people were all blue collar, so I had a fascinating (and depressing) education in posh Irish cultural attitudes. The sniggering about "the Gah" and "diddley-aye" music. The natural assumption that wild GAA fans would vandalise their cars and property after matches in Croke Park. The faux concerns about the supposed "violence and thuggery" of Gaelic matches. The air of amused contempt on learning that I followed GAA, as if I wasn't yet fully civilised. The cultural loneliness of not being able to chat about a match with any colleagues, unless you were lucky enough to have a Kerry colleague as among all the yahs. (Kerry fans are, in my view, the most knowledgeable and the most objective / hard-headed GAA fans in the country.) Essentially, these anti GAA / anti trad people have inherited, and parrot, the attitudes of the English from 150 years earlier. They live in a sad and bitter little post-colonial bubble of posh bigotry which has direct cultural links right back to the establishment of the Pale and to the Statutes of Kilkenny. When I worked in white collar London, no English person had a clue about the GAA of course, but they were invariably open-minded and interested, with none of the petty snobbishness of their Irish counterparts.

But the posh Dubs (they never describe themselves as "Dubs" of course - and with that type of accent, it'd be pronounced "Dabs" anyway lol) are not the only anti-GAA cohort. The working class Dublin Premiership fan boy is even more bigoted; though the guys with a primary interest in local soccer tend to be grand.

Nor is it accurate, as some posters have done, to ascribe such attitudes to "the left". I'm afraid that the anti-GAA attitude co-exists naturally with a right wing, pro partition, anti Nationalist, middle class viewpoint. The GAA is also seen as representative of working class and rural culture, hence the Dublin middle class desire to distance yourself from the GAA is a way also of affirming your social status. For the Premiership fan boy, it's a way of affirming that you're not a yokel.

The reality is that, for varying reasons, the middle class right and the trendy left each have their reasons for dissing the GAA. It's quite contrived, and simply incorrect, to suggest that the anti GAA mentality is confined to a particular type of politics.

On a more positive note, my perception is that the anti-GAA cohort in the Irish urban middle class is in steep decline. In this century, it's been remarkable to see posh youngsters on Southside Luases carrying hurls.

It's why, even after 5 years of All Ireland misery, I never really begrudge the Dubs. And with the Tyrone team's safety-first brand of football (the Tyrone team plays a worse brand of football than the Tyrone clubs), it's just as well I don't mind the Dubs, as Tyrone's conservative style of play won't do much about it any time soon ..."
Good post; I enjoyed reading that although some of the contents were depressing; as you say thankfully that attitude is on the decrease though.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 790 - 24/10/2020 10:47:20    2300690

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Replying To lilypad:  "You're having a laugh, the media is embarrassingly left wing in this sad little island."
Can you explain what you believe left wing means? If you are talking about the so called "woke agenda" or whatever its called thats not left wing. God we re getting worse than the USA for making everything left/right.

Left wing is an economic philosophy which few in Ireland are, socially liberal is what you are thinking of

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1131 - 24/10/2020 10:47:57    2300691

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