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Replying To Whammo86:  "Because Dublin have a very large percentage of the juvenile population in the country.

It also was the part of the country with the largest opportunity to grow the game.

There's a lot of counties with very little capacity to reach more people than they already do.

Plenty of money is spent in other counties, just in a different way than is spent in Dublin. Although there are also plenty of coaches all over the country.

https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-invest-18m-in-grassroots-in-2019/

Dublin have 64 of 365 development officers, 17% or so. Dublin has a bit over 20% of the population of the island and over 20% of the births in the island each year.

I just don't see what is untoward about the spending in Dublin.

We're talking 1.3m or so per annum out of 11.5m or so spent overall on games development.

We're also talking 2.25m or so out of about 45m total distributions back into the provincial councils and county boards.

The GAA's doing lots throughout the country.

https://res.cloudinary.com/dvrbaruzq/image/upload/fl_attachment/zqzwyx0xnugvpw4zirtp.pdf

https://res.cloudinary.com/dvrbaruzq/image/upload/fl_attachment/r6dpesxhmuo8ck0bqzsy.pdf

You know what really bugs me about this whole Dublin spending conversation. It really is some of the most effective use of funds that the GAA have put in. It's so positive and it's turned into something negative by you lot because of petty rivalries.

I always kind of think, imagine the FAI had a similar project to get better grassroots coaching in Dublin and had a similar impact in terms of producing players, we'd all be bloody delighted by it and consider it money well spent.

It's only because of the make up of our competitions being based around teams drawn around county boundaries that makes this an issue and it's a bit pathetic to be honest.

To me the issue is with the demographics of the country.

It's not the GAA's doing that we've a Dublin centric economy but they have to respond to that and they have to provide the coaches to the areas where there are the numbers.

I honestly don't see how it could be any other way."
You are on the ball... fair play...!

Easy seeing you are not from Kerry..... ;o)

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3000 - 11/10/2020 15:18:55    2296816

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This is my final post on the "money" thing. Do Dublin get more money from Gaa than other counties? Yes. Do they get more per head? Yes! Is is Dublin fault? No! Is it the reason the have a brilliant team? NO! I have read loads about money etc and all can google etc but here are some facts that maybe people don't realise and you won't see written down. The gaa is a business and in 2007 they decided with the a ki g of Bertie Aherne to pump more money into Dublin (football in particular) cos they wanted to create a new interest in fans as as we all know the Dubs will fill the stadia. Most was put into underage structures ETC. and an awful lot came from the government from 07 to 17.IHowever Kerry have received million from fundraising in USA and counties like Mayo do well from abroad also. The point I'm making is Kerry or Mayo had no shortage of money so they were beaten by a better team. Do I think the gaa or the government were fair? No! I believe the big money should be pumped into the

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 218 - 11/10/2020 15:56:46    2296825

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Sorry I did nt get to finish my post. I believe the weaker poorer counties should get more finance as they are the one being affected. I know of a couple of ex County players that were living in Dublin and had to give up playing for their county due to lack of payment of expenses etc. Even if Dublin did nt get a red cent from Gaa or government they have great sponsors like a. I. g etc and we in Kerry have a fab sponsor iin Kerry group. Cork Mayo Kildare Tipp are fine too. In other words the money makes a difference between the big counties and the poor ones but does nt make any difference to the elite counties. So finally as you can guess the reason why Dublin won 5 in a row is because they won it on the football field. Simple as that and may I add very impressively too.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 218 - 11/10/2020 16:08:20    2296827

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Because Dublin have a very large percentage of the juvenile population in the country.

It also was the part of the country with the largest opportunity to grow the game.

There's a lot of counties with very little capacity to reach more people than they already do.

Plenty of money is spent in other counties, just in a different way than is spent in Dublin. Although there are also plenty of coaches all over the country.

https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-invest-18m-in-grassroots-in-2019/

Dublin have 64 of 365 development officers, 17% or so. Dublin has a bit over 20% of the population of the island and over 20% of the births in the island each year.

I just don't see what is untoward about the spending in Dublin.

We're talking 1.3m or so per annum out of 11.5m or so spent overall on games development.

We're also talking 2.25m or so out of about 45m total distributions back into the provincial councils and county boards.

The GAA's doing lots throughout the country.

https://res.cloudinary.com/dvrbaruzq/image/upload/fl_attachment/zqzwyx0xnugvpw4zirtp.pdf

https://res.cloudinary.com/dvrbaruzq/image/upload/fl_attachment/r6dpesxhmuo8ck0bqzsy.pdf

You know what really bugs me about this whole Dublin spending conversation. It really is some of the most effective use of funds that the GAA have put in. It's so positive and it's turned into something negative by you lot because of petty rivalries.

I always kind of think, imagine the FAI had a similar project to get better grassroots coaching in Dublin and had a similar impact in terms of producing players, we'd all be bloody delighted by it and consider it money well spent.

It's only because of the make up of our competitions being based around teams drawn around county boundaries that makes this an issue and it's a bit pathetic to be honest.

To me the issue is with the demographics of the country.

It's not the GAA's doing that we've a Dublin centric economy but they have to respond to that and they have to provide the coaches to the areas where there are the numbers.

I honestly don't see how it could be any other way."
Sadly you're wasting your time; the bulk of this conversation sadly comes from Kerry. They simply don't want to hear any logic or any debate; it's the stick they've choose to discredit Dublin's dominance; as the stick in the 00's was "puke football". Back then Kerry didn't want to hear about the Dooher's, Canavan's or Cavanagh's; they had to find a way to discredit the success and the defeats Kerry suffered. When they find the reason, nobody will shift their belief as they simply don't want to admit Kerry are just second best or even further back. As a result I wouldn't entertain it; the vast majority of neutrals, media, gaels respect Dublin's success; the same way they respect Tyrone comfortably had Kerry's number in the 00's. Yes there is a number of number questioning finance in other counties but that's more to do with the relentless Kerry campaign.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 644 - 11/10/2020 16:15:51    2296829

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Sorry I did nt get to finish my post. I believe the weaker poorer counties should get more finance as they are the one being affected. I know of a couple of ex County players that were living in Dublin and had to give up playing for their county due to lack of payment of expenses etc. Even if Dublin did nt get a red cent from Gaa or government they have great sponsors like a. I. g etc and we in Kerry have a fab sponsor iin Kerry group. Cork Mayo Kildare Tipp are fine too. In other words the money makes a difference between the big counties and the poor ones but does nt make any difference to the elite counties. So finally as you can guess the reason why Dublin won 5 in a row is because they won it on the football field. Simple as that and may I add very impressively too."
So what you are saying is Dublin won the 5 in a Row because they had a better team than kerry....!
And kerry were extremely well funded at the same time....

so what is your take on kerry posters constantly crying about funding, population and games in Croke Park as the reason this Dublin team have done so well.....??
No crying/whinging about population or croke park etc when kerry were totally dominating....!

ps. Thought you were Not from kerry.... ;o)

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3000 - 11/10/2020 16:35:54    2296834

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Replying To sam1884:  "Sadly you're wasting your time; the bulk of this conversation sadly comes from Kerry. They simply don't want to hear any logic or any debate; it's the stick they've choose to discredit Dublin's dominance; as the stick in the 00's was "puke football". Back then Kerry didn't want to hear about the Dooher's, Canavan's or Cavanagh's; they had to find a way to discredit the success and the defeats Kerry suffered. When they find the reason, nobody will shift their belief as they simply don't want to admit Kerry are just second best or even further back. As a result I wouldn't entertain it; the vast majority of neutrals, media, gaels respect Dublin's success; the same way they respect Tyrone comfortably had Kerry's number in the 00's. Yes there is a number of number questioning finance in other counties but that's more to do with the relentless Kerry campaign."
+1 spot on. Well said.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3000 - 11/10/2020 17:07:47    2296839

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Replying To Fionn:  "So what you are saying is Dublin won the 5 in a Row because they had a better team than kerry....!
And kerry were extremely well funded at the same time....

so what is your take on kerry posters constantly crying about funding, population and games in Croke Park as the reason this Dublin team have done so well.....??
No crying/whinging about population or croke park etc when kerry were totally dominating....!

ps. Thought you were Not from kerry.... ;o)"
You don't want to be milking it now chief. No point to labouring it with the man. He's a very fair poster and not one who is here just for the wind up.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1525 - 11/10/2020 19:27:56    2296858

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Because Dublin have a very large percentage of the juvenile population in the country.

It also was the part of the country with the largest opportunity to grow the game.

There's a lot of counties with very little capacity to reach more people than they already do.

Plenty of money is spent in other counties, just in a different way than is spent in Dublin. Although there are also plenty of coaches all over the country.

https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-invest-18m-in-grassroots-in-2019/

Dublin have 64 of 365 development officers, 17% or so. Dublin has a bit over 20% of the population of the island and over 20% of the births in the island each year.

I just don't see what is untoward about the spending in Dublin.

We're talking 1.3m or so per annum out of 11.5m or so spent overall on games development.

We're also talking 2.25m or so out of about 45m total distributions back into the provincial councils and county boards.

The GAA's doing lots throughout the country.

https://res.cloudinary.com/dvrbaruzq/image/upload/fl_attachment/zqzwyx0xnugvpw4zirtp.pdf

https://res.cloudinary.com/dvrbaruzq/image/upload/fl_attachment/r6dpesxhmuo8ck0bqzsy.pdf

You know what really bugs me about this whole Dublin spending conversation. It really is some of the most effective use of funds that the GAA have put in. It's so positive and it's turned into something negative by you lot because of petty rivalries.

I always kind of think, imagine the FAI had a similar project to get better grassroots coaching in Dublin and had a similar impact in terms of producing players, we'd all be bloody delighted by it and consider it money well spent.

It's only because of the make up of our competitions being based around teams drawn around county boundaries that makes this an issue and it's a bit pathetic to be honest.

To me the issue is with the demographics of the country.

It's not the GAA's doing that we've a Dublin centric economy but they have to respond to that and they have to provide the coaches to the areas where there are the numbers.

I honestly don't see how it could be any other way."
To be honest this is a thread which should be able to be discussed without discussing games development funding. We should be simply able to judge what players have done in the last number of years based in their performances.
Games development funding (if we are going to discuss this) about a year ago or so ago had several threads I think.
For me you come at it from the correct point of view in that some think games development funding is there so we have a competitive All Ireland championship where as the real objective of the funding is to keep/ get kids and adults playing the games in large numbers.
Dublin winning or not winning many All Irelands as a by product of whatever games development funding model the GAA has in place at a particular time won't necessarily prove the funding model is either fair or unfair.
The fairness of Dublin's funding when discussed ended up being very complicated debate which stemmed back to GAA and government strategy to grow the games about 15 years ago in Dublin (Bertie Ahearn commited state money on condition that the GAA would match the funding). This model has largely remained in place since as far as I can remember from what came up in the threads.
The question really was are the GAA prioritising funding try to grow the games in non traditional areas at the expense of traditional areas and if so is this the fair/ right way to go.
Another question that came up was when you look at the numbers actually playing the games in different areas are Dublin players/ kids being supported much more to develop their skills due to the funding model.
These are fair questions but an internet forum can a hard place for these to be discussed

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 731 - 12/10/2020 11:54:14    2296964

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