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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "dublins 5 in a row :-) and it only cost the government and the gaa 30 odd million :-) at least ourselves and Kilkenny and wexford did our 4s without any help from the gaa or government..
We did 2 5s in minor and junior the right way, the fair way." And you had 5 big flowery spuds as well which are about as relevant to 5 in a row at senior level Tommy. Skins or no skins.
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Laughing here at the lack of self awareness and knowledge, devoid of "facts" and just dogma.
No one in Kerry obviously reads the GAA accounts, what Kerry got of the GAA this year is outrageous (especially given investment in recent years) given the size and population of the county.
Kerry currently being financially doped out of their eyeballs in receipt of 1.254 million from the GAA - before Munster council funding for a population of 147k.
Second only to Dublin 2.1 million but with Dublin population at 1.38 mill.
I wouldn't be to pushed as a Dub, but its counties of the same profile they are competing against like Donegal, Mayo, Tyrone, Galway on significantly less etc - where they are being bloated and enabled to "compete" with Dublin artificially, such as that is.
Pro rata, its actually a sandal and a strong argument there Kerry are just being fattened up artificially to compete with Dublin, preferentially over other counties.
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Accounts are here: https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-invest-18m-in-grassroots-in-2019/
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Replying To catch22: "And you had 5 big flowery spuds as well which are about as relevant to 5 in a row at senior level Tommy. Skins or no skins." Hi my 5 flowery spud have more value than the money corrupted dublin 5 in a row catch bar :-)
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 08/10/2020 16:58:16
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Replying To TheUsername: "Laughing here at the lack of self awareness and knowledge, devoid of "facts" and just dogma.
No one in Kerry obviously reads the GAA accounts, what Kerry got of the GAA this year is outrageous (especially given investment in recent years) given the size and population of the county.
Kerry currently being financially doped out of their eyeballs in receipt of 1.254 million from the GAA - before Munster council funding for a population of 147k.
Second only to Dublin 2.1 million but with Dublin population at 1.38 mill.
I wouldn't be to pushed as a Dub, but its counties of the same profile they are competing against like Donegal, Mayo, Tyrone, Galway on significantly less etc - where they are being bloated and enabled to "compete" with Dublin artificially, such as that is.
Pro rata, its actually a sandal and a strong argument there Kerry are just being fattened up artificially to compete with Dublin, preferentially over other counties.
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Accounts are here: https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-invest-18m-in-grassroots-in-2019/" Your 1st line is very applicable to that certain WUM and his predecessor - he who doesn't get out much - the Eremite
Cant believe so many posters cant see through them and their agenda....!
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Replying To Fionn: "Your 1st line is very applicable to that certain WUM and his predecessor - he who doesn't get out much - the Eremite
Cant believe so many posters cant see through them and their agenda....!" Takes all types a chara.
Its the facts that are important, The Connacht Provincial Council received, 1.248 mill for funding of the province and Kerry received 1.254 million for themselves. That is after years of being capital grants totaling 3 mill for Currans COE. Before you talk of 7 mill ISC grants for the Sports Campus for IT Tralee used by Kerry GAA. Kerry GAA also have their noses at the trough of provincial funding as well, Dublin dont receive any. The Munster Council was in receipt of 1.4 million euro last year and Kerry Gaa receive a sixth of that. So cumulatively, thats huge money into a population of 140k odd.
All their GDO and GPA are paid for by the GAA. As we know Dublin pay 50% for theirs.
Its irrelevant to Dublin because as we are renowned we produce skillful players, its our way, but for other counties with similar populations, Donegal, Galway, Mayo, Tyrone etc, you would be asking why Kerry receive preferential treatment, i mean you have to say some of that money helps fund the margins that has got them over the line over those counties last year after being well down the pack for years, its certainly a question.
Ill be kind and not go any further on Kerrys income but cant take other seriously when they dont even know the facts around their own situation and being artificially financially bloated.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 08/10/2020 17:36:14
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Replying To Whammo86: "I think they are different types of players standing out now than in the past.
The position of the centre half forward, neat play maker who picked out passes for the forwards has been made way harder.
I still think there's room for excellence though.
You look at the performances from McCaffrey and Sean O'Shea in last year's final and those are performances that any greats would be happy of.
Lee Keegan, James McCarthy, Fenton have all produced wonderful complete performances in All Ireland finals in recent years.
If anything they are more impressive given the quality of the defensive set ups that they are having to pick apart.
They are very different to the great performances of the past. The difference is made from deeper positions nearly." I agree there are some excellent performers.
I think it is harder to value how good some Dublin players are partly because their squad is so strong top players can be have their places taken by other players much earlier than they would be in other teams and they have so many good players it probably is harder to stand out in this team.
There are other reasons I think it is harder to stand out now a days.
In modern times in the era of packed defenses and systems the value of certain player traits has changed a bit.
Hard running players who block off space and link play with short passes is more important than before. I can admire these players for tireless attitude but they don't put me on the edge of my seat.
It is harder for defenders to stand out for their defensive abilities in the way previously when it was all about man on man competition in that they tend to be less exposed now due to the extra bodies back there (as mentioned in a post it's much harder for great full backs to stand out).
Packed defenses leading to less space mean that small fast forwards who can run into space ahead of their man to get the ball are not as effective as before.
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Replying To bdbuddah: "I agree there are some excellent performers.
I think it is harder to value how good some Dublin players are partly because their squad is so strong top players can be have their places taken by other players much earlier than they would be in other teams and they have so many good players it probably is harder to stand out in this team.
There are other reasons I think it is harder to stand out now a days.
In modern times in the era of packed defenses and systems the value of certain player traits has changed a bit.
Hard running players who block off space and link play with short passes is more important than before. I can admire these players for tireless attitude but they don't put me on the edge of my seat.
It is harder for defenders to stand out for their defensive abilities in the way previously when it was all about man on man competition in that they tend to be less exposed now due to the extra bodies back there (as mentioned in a post it's much harder for great full backs to stand out).
Packed defenses leading to less space mean that small fast forwards who can run into space ahead of their man to get the ball are not as effective as before." Good post. For me the most exciting player to watch in today's game is David Clifford. When he wins a ball inside alarm bells immediately ring. You just don't know what he'll try! Exemplified recently by his extraordinary goal in the Kerry championship.
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Good post. For me the most exciting player to watch in today's game is David Clifford. When he wins a ball inside alarm bells immediately ring. You just don't know what he'll try! Exemplified recently by his extraordinary goal in the Kerry championship." Being honest in recent years I have seen your man Murphy a few times recently as Donegal have come up against Meath a few times. For me he is the best player/ best player to watch for many years. Depending on what's needed he can switch between midfield and full forward and due to his strength/ movement/ skill he just dominates wherever he goes.
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Good post. For me the most exciting player to watch in today's game is David Clifford. When he wins a ball inside alarm bells immediately ring. You just don't know what he'll try! Exemplified recently by his extraordinary goal in the Kerry championship." It was some goal alright lockjaw and it was with his weaker foot as well.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 08/10/2020 20:29:50
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Replying To TheUsername: "Takes all types a chara.
Its the facts that are important, The Connacht Provincial Council received, 1.248 mill for funding of the province and Kerry received 1.254 million for themselves. That is after years of being capital grants totaling 3 mill for Currans COE. Before you talk of 7 mill ISC grants for the Sports Campus for IT Tralee used by Kerry GAA. Kerry GAA also have their noses at the trough of provincial funding as well, Dublin dont receive any. The Munster Council was in receipt of 1.4 million euro last year and Kerry Gaa receive a sixth of that. So cumulatively, thats huge money into a population of 140k odd.
All their GDO and GPA are paid for by the GAA. As we know Dublin pay 50% for theirs.
Its irrelevant to Dublin because as we are renowned we produce skillful players, its our way, but for other counties with similar populations, Donegal, Galway, Mayo, Tyrone etc, you would be asking why Kerry receive preferential treatment, i mean you have to say some of that money helps fund the margins that has got them over the line over those counties last year after being well down the pack for years, its certainly a question.
Ill be kind and not go any further on Kerrys income but cant take other seriously when they dont even know the facts around their own situation and being artificially financially bloated." Exactly...!
Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3742 - 08/10/2020 20:40:46
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Good post. For me the most exciting player to watch in today's game is David Clifford. When he wins a ball inside alarm bells immediately ring. You just don't know what he'll try! Exemplified recently by his extraordinary goal in the Kerry championship." 100% Clifford has already surpassed the gooch. Doesn't hide in the big game. Would have Seanie Shea ahead of Declan Sullivan too.
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Replying To hamsterdean: "100% Clifford has already surpassed the gooch. Doesn't hide in the big game. Would have Seanie Shea ahead of Declan Sullivan too." Ah it'll be easier judge the young guns in a few years, if they give as many good years as Declan and Gooch then we'll be happy.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 08/10/2020 22:01:50
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Replying To hamsterdean: "100% Clifford has already surpassed the gooch. Doesn't hide in the big game. Would have Seanie Shea ahead of Declan Sullivan too." Gooch s scoring in big games very impressive but Clifford just so special. A massive fan of Seanie Shea too but would find it hard to say he better than Declan Ó Sullivan. Sometimes when players retired a few years we tend to forget about how good they were. Declan was a great ball carrier so hard to dispossessed and was always so strong and dangerous. If you saw some old games again you would see how great he was like 07 v Dubs 08 v Galway. 05 v Cork 06 v Mayo 09 v Dublin and 11 and 14 v Cork when he was unreal. 12 v Tyrone. He was a colosses and I'd have him on any Kerry team
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3681 - 08/10/2020 22:09:52
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "Gooch s scoring in big games very impressive but Clifford just so special. A massive fan of Seanie Shea too but would find it hard to say he better than Declan Ó Sullivan. Sometimes when players retired a few years we tend to forget about how good they were. Declan was a great ball carrier so hard to dispossessed and was always so strong and dangerous. If you saw some old games again you would see how great he was like 07 v Dubs 08 v Galway. 05 v Cork 06 v Mayo 09 v Dublin and 11 and 14 v Cork when he was unreal. 12 v Tyrone. He was a colosses and I'd have him on any Kerry team" Both good players, but have miles to go match Colm and O' Sullivan, just from a Kerry point of view.
Clifford is a different player to Colm for me, Colm didn't have the physicality David does, while David has good technique not sure he has Colms vision or ability to control a game.
They both have a lot to do, to be in comparisons with the greats of the game, they have the time though and likely the opportunity with Jim Gavin's Dublin era at an end.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 08/10/2020 22:45:01
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Replying To TheUsername: "Takes all types a chara.
Its the facts that are important, The Connacht Provincial Council received, 1.248 mill for funding of the province and Kerry received 1.254 million for themselves. That is after years of being capital grants totaling 3 mill for Currans COE. Before you talk of 7 mill ISC grants for the Sports Campus for IT Tralee used by Kerry GAA. Kerry GAA also have their noses at the trough of provincial funding as well, Dublin dont receive any. The Munster Council was in receipt of 1.4 million euro last year and Kerry Gaa receive a sixth of that. So cumulatively, thats huge money into a population of 140k odd.
All their GDO and GPA are paid for by the GAA. As we know Dublin pay 50% for theirs.
Its irrelevant to Dublin because as we are renowned we produce skillful players, its our way, but for other counties with similar populations, Donegal, Galway, Mayo, Tyrone etc, you would be asking why Kerry receive preferential treatment, i mean you have to say some of that money helps fund the margins that has got them over the line over those counties last year after being well down the pack for years, its certainly a question.
Ill be kind and not go any further on Kerrys income but cant take other seriously when they dont even know the facts around their own situation and being artificially financially bloated." The silence is deafening from our persistently noisy neighbour... imo you went far too easy on him and the other fella.... ;o)
Bet he didnt want those figures highlighted - thought those yerras had no money and were the paupers of the GAA... ;o)
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Replying To hamsterdean: "100% Clifford has already surpassed the gooch. Doesn't hide in the big game. Would have Seanie Shea ahead of Declan Sullivan too." O Shea would be a better all round player to Clifford.
Likely to surpass all the big names from the previous team I'd say given a bit of time.
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I remember an interesting passage in Paul Galvin's book when he was discussing the Gooch and how dangerous he was. Galvin summed it up by saying that when Gooch received a ball inside his natural first instinct was, "is there a goal on here?" Pure killer! If not then more often than not he'd settle for his point.
I think Clifford definitely has that mindset as well, only perhaps he is even more inclined to go for the jugular. His recent goal is a perfect example of this. What other player in the country would decide to take aim for the top corner on their weaker foot from about 30 yards?
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Replying To Lockjaw: "I remember an interesting passage in Paul Galvin's book when he was discussing the Gooch and how dangerous he was. Galvin summed it up by saying that when Gooch received a ball inside his natural first instinct was, "is there a goal on here?" Pure killer! If not then more often than not he'd settle for his point.
I think Clifford definitely has that mindset as well, only perhaps he is even more inclined to go for the jugular. His recent goal is a perfect example of this. What other player in the country would decide to take aim for the top corner on their weaker foot from about 30 yards?" His ball to Geaney in last years super8 game against mayo was unreal vision I treaded it through a load of bodies to Geaney from the 45 only Geaney fluffed it.
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Replying To Fionn: "The silence is deafening from our persistently noisy neighbour... imo you went far too easy on him and the other fella.... ;o)
Bet he didnt want those figures highlighted - thought those yerras had no money and were the paupers of the GAA... ;o)" I'd have more sense than to ever enter a debate with multi-username, he's made such an fool of himself on here so many times, I find it quite sad he still bothers to show his face. Hows the Mayo and Kerry alter-egos going by the way??
As for yourself, I'll keep away too in the hope you might go easy on me!
Suffice to say that your amigos attempts to try to equate 15 years of funding running at 20m+ with figures snatched at, out of context, for one year is exactly what I'd expect from his ilk to try and deflect, muddy the waters and continue the "nothing to see here" mentality of all you Dubs.
You might blind your buddies with your facts and figures there multi-user, but for the rest of us, what did Clint Eastwood once say about p***ing and rain??
Again all of this leads me back to a point I made early. There is a serious need for some good investigative journalism to be done to reveal what has gone on exactly between Croke Park and the Dublin GAA these past two decades and what has been the impact and legacy of it. And anything Dublin and their players achieved needs to be contextualized in that reality.
P.S. How many GDO and GPA's have Dublin compared with every other county?? One a club I seem to recall and sure 50% is paid by the Dublin GAA, who in turn get the funding off Croke Park to allow them do that! But somehow its presented here that it comes out of their own pocket, independent of funding?
Meanwhile even Kerry have what? To take hurling I think there is 1 to try and cover a region that encompasses all of west and south Kerry.
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Replying To TheHermit: "I'd have more sense than to ever enter a debate with multi-username, he's made such an fool of himself on here so many times, I find it quite sad he still bothers to show his face. Hows the Mayo and Kerry alter-egos going by the way??
As for yourself, I'll keep away too in the hope you might go easy on me!
Suffice to say that your amigos attempts to try to equate 15 years of funding running at 20m+ with figures snatched at, out of context, for one year is exactly what I'd expect from his ilk to try and deflect, muddy the waters and continue the "nothing to see here" mentality of all you Dubs.
You might blind your buddies with your facts and figures there multi-user, but for the rest of us, what did Clint Eastwood once say about p***ing and rain??
Again all of this leads me back to a point I made early. There is a serious need for some good investigative journalism to be done to reveal what has gone on exactly between Croke Park and the Dublin GAA these past two decades and what has been the impact and legacy of it. And anything Dublin and their players achieved needs to be contextualized in that reality.
P.S. How many GDO and GPA's have Dublin compared with every other county?? One a club I seem to recall and sure 50% is paid by the Dublin GAA, who in turn get the funding off Croke Park to allow them do that! But somehow its presented here that it comes out of their own pocket, independent of funding?
Meanwhile even Kerry have what? To take hurling I think there is 1 to try and cover a region that encompasses all of west and south Kerry." My god your like a broken record.
Lads i think were all fed up of the Kerry lads ruining threads. So.. instead of having the same argument over and over again and going around in circles., I'm proposing we just respond to them with this simple reply: "5INAROW;)''
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