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Replying To brian:  "There seems to be a culture of mud slinging in Kerry.

See how that works......

Paint everyone with the same brush and you sully the good names of those that do good work."
Who's slinging mud Brian? Explain that? Did a certain player from said club not eye gouge a player from my own county not too long ago?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11212 - 15/09/2020 13:07:20    2292223

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Who's slinging mud Brian? Explain that? Did a certain player from said club not eye gouge a player from my own county not too long ago?"
And so the typical make it all about Kerry posts begin.

You said and i quote "There seems to be a culture of eye gouging at ballymun"

So are you saying they're all told to go out and do it. You're claiming theirs a culture of it in Ballymun. How many thousands of players in the ballymun clubs are there? One player in a Dublin jersey appeared to do it. Never conclusively proven he did, same with the case at the weekend. Two incidents about 5 years removed from each other but there's a culture of it....

But as usual the Kerry lads have to get in the digs at Dubs.

Jeez ye really do yourselves no favours at all lads. The bitterness is clear to Stevie Wonder.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 859 - 15/09/2020 13:30:23    2292236

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Replying To brian:  "And so the typical make it all about Kerry posts begin.

You said and i quote "There seems to be a culture of eye gouging at ballymun"

So are you saying they're all told to go out and do it. You're claiming theirs a culture of it in Ballymun. How many thousands of players in the ballymun clubs are there? One player in a Dublin jersey appeared to do it. Never conclusively proven he did, same with the case at the weekend. Two incidents about 5 years removed from each other but there's a culture of it....

But as usual the Kerry lads have to get in the digs at Dubs.

Jeez ye really do yourselves no favours at all lads. The bitterness is clear to Stevie Wonder."
But Brian , you couldn't be from Meath no more than the other poster could be from Kerry. Surely two imposters with a bit of common sense and not so bitter.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1493 - 15/09/2020 13:52:54    2292251

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Do not know whether it was eye gouging but some posters/experts have made up their mind. What I can say is that there was a bit of wrestling going on which made little sense -was there not a bit of that in a recent AI final which went unpunished and not even referred to in the Sunday analysis!.
I will say that Refs linesmen/umpires all contribute to send off both players in all cases, even when it was obvious who started the fracus.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2163 - 15/09/2020 14:26:19    2292258

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Replying To brian:  "And so the typical make it all about Kerry posts begin.

You said and i quote "There seems to be a culture of eye gouging at ballymun"

So are you saying they're all told to go out and do it. You're claiming theirs a culture of it in Ballymun. How many thousands of players in the ballymun clubs are there? One player in a Dublin jersey appeared to do it. Never conclusively proven he did, same with the case at the weekend. Two incidents about 5 years removed from each other but there's a culture of it....

But as usual the Kerry lads have to get in the digs at Dubs.

Jeez ye really do yourselves no favours at all lads. The bitterness is clear to Stevie Wonder."
Well Brian the incident of eye gouging in 2015 happened against a kerryman, am I right? So of course I'll bring that up.

The man in question was suspended for a match so I take it the CCCC found him guilty of the offence.

By the way this is an open forum to all just because I'm from kerry doesn't mean I can't join in does it? Or are we segregating on hoganstand now?

Also where were you last week when dub lads started a thread on David Cliffords red card? Or are you only policing 1 side on the main forum?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11212 - 15/09/2020 14:27:12    2292259

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Replying To catch22:  "But Brian , you couldn't be from Meath no more than the other poster could be from Kerry. Surely two imposters with a bit of common sense and not so bitter."
Don't know what the point is you're trying to make but maybe be a bit more direct and just say it.

On the incident itself, looks like six of one half a dozen of the other. As another poster said earlier Crokes seemed to know the game was up and tried getting a few Kickhams players carded. I would've expected better from a club of Kilmacud's standing. They've some great footballers and are always there or theerabouts so to resort to that doesn't look well. That's not to say Ballymun were shrinking violets but i think they stood up for themselves. I saw the Davey Byrne thing and that's a clear red and suspension.

I think the game has become too sensitive. Players are now bending the rules. Think something like a sin bin for two players getting involved be applied and third man in gets a straight red. Leave it to the two players alone and let them suffer the consequences. Although thats been talked about ad nauseum for 30 odd years at least. I remember Spillane (no having a go at Kerry, he was the guy he was doing the analysis) saying after the mayo meath 96 row that the third man in should be the player to go. I think that's also the rule in aussie rules that third man goes so why not trial it as a rule and see how it goes. Might remove some of these shoving and shoulderings we get when two fella's get involved

brian (Meath) - Posts: 859 - 15/09/2020 14:35:09    2292261

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Well Brian the incident of eye gouging in 2015 happened against a kerryman, am I right? So of course I'll bring that up.

The man in question was suspended for a match so I take it the CCCC found him guilty of the offence.

By the way this is an open forum to all just because I'm from kerry doesn't mean I can't join in does it? Or are we segregating on hoganstand now?

Also where were you last week when dub lads started a thread on David Cliffords red card? Or are you only policing 1 side on the main forum?"
I didn't see the Clifford incident so have no take on it. Why would i talk about something i didn't see.

And no I'm not policing anything but I've lost track of the number of threads on here where someone from Kerry comes on and tries making it all about Kerry and how they've been wronged.

This thread and the Sean Boylan/ Tommy Conlon thread were both derailed by Kerry point scoring. I don't often see Dub's starting off with that kind of nonsense. If they did I'd call them out on it too.

And you labelled one club with a tag of "There seems to be a culture of eye gouging at ballymun" I'd respond to that if it was any club or group of people. Sweeping generalisations are something we shouldn't tolerate on any level, yet you trotted that out without thought. Now you're trying to defend it by asking me where i was and a comment on something i didn't see. Ok if that's how you want to see it ;)

brian (Meath) - Posts: 859 - 15/09/2020 14:46:13    2292264

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Thought it was a good game of football with a little bit of wasteful finishing at times. Balymun were far the better team and apart from the unsavory stuff at the end, i thoroughly enjoyed it.

Both players should get done for the eye gouging.. simple as

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 427 - 15/09/2020 15:28:43    2292275

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Replying To brian:  "Don't know what the point is you're trying to make but maybe be a bit more direct and just say it.

On the incident itself, looks like six of one half a dozen of the other. As another poster said earlier Crokes seemed to know the game was up and tried getting a few Kickhams players carded. I would've expected better from a club of Kilmacud's standing. They've some great footballers and are always there or theerabouts so to resort to that doesn't look well. That's not to say Ballymun were shrinking violets but i think they stood up for themselves. I saw the Davey Byrne thing and that's a clear red and suspension.

I think the game has become too sensitive. Players are now bending the rules. Think something like a sin bin for two players getting involved be applied and third man in gets a straight red. Leave it to the two players alone and let them suffer the consequences. Although thats been talked about ad nauseum for 30 odd years at least. I remember Spillane (no having a go at Kerry, he was the guy he was doing the analysis) saying after the mayo meath 96 row that the third man in should be the player to go. I think that's also the rule in aussie rules that third man goes so why not trial it as a rule and see how it goes. Might remove some of these shoving and shoulderings we get when two fella's get involved"
Ah , I'm just laughing at KB and his inability to resist an opportunity to play the poor Kerry card. There was a chap on from Kerry recently and he wouldn't accept he was from Kerry because he was actually more fair minded and balanced than he liked.
Typical of a couple of the Kerry boys.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1493 - 15/09/2020 16:06:39    2292285

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Replying To brian:  "I didn't see the Clifford incident so have no take on it. Why would i talk about something i didn't see.

And no I'm not policing anything but I've lost track of the number of threads on here where someone from Kerry comes on and tries making it all about Kerry and how they've been wronged.

This thread and the Sean Boylan/ Tommy Conlon thread were both derailed by Kerry point scoring. I don't often see Dub's starting off with that kind of nonsense. If they did I'd call them out on it too.

And you labelled one club with a tag of "There seems to be a culture of eye gouging at ballymun" I'd respond to that if it was any club or group of people. Sweeping generalisations are something we shouldn't tolerate on any level, yet you trotted that out without thought. Now you're trying to defend it by asking me where i was and a comment on something i didn't see. Ok if that's how you want to see it ;)"
Well Brian I mentioned the gouging incident 5 years ago because the guy involved happens to be from the same club as the guys from this new incident of gouging, and its just a coincidence that it happened against 1 of my county men so that's the kerry angle right there, that's why Kerry comes into it.

How many incidents have to happen in 1 place before people start to think there is a problem? I can't remember any other gouging incidents anywhere else in the country in the last 5 years not to mind 2.

You say you weren't on the David Clifford thread and that's fair enough as I wasn't on the Tommy Conlon Seán Boylan thréad but maybe you should give an old wander over to the David Clifford thread and call out a few of the dubs posters seen as you seem to have taken on the Wyatt Earp roll on here but I don't reckon you will somehow.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11212 - 15/09/2020 17:53:12    2292313

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Seeing as everything has to be about Kerry I think we can actually draw a parallel between Crokes and Ballymun and Clifford's red card.

In both instances those that instigated the trouble get away with less of a punishment than those who responded. It's a problem in GAA that has been around for years but no one seems to want to tackle it.

People were quick to jump on Clifford and the Ballymun lads and say they shouldn't have reated etc which is true but that misses the point I'm making here that there needs to be harsher punishments for those who start these things.

We want players like Clifford to be given a little more protection is all.

Same as the Crokes players started the rows on Sunday when they couldn't match Ballymun in football.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13048 - 15/09/2020 20:44:53    2292339

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Replying To Yourjoking:  "Totally agree with this, same thing happened in Down when Kilcoo beat Burren and after the final whistle Burren ( not all ) and subs starting a row with one sub running 30 meters to kick a kilcoo player in the face.
Punishment was a 1 game ban for a kilcoo lad and 3 players from Burren got 1 game bans and 1 got a 2 match ban but this doesn't fit the crime these players should be getting 6/8 championship game bans and if that takes 2 seasons so be it.

As you said Mesamis its the hard man approach can't win a football so lets start a fight to get players punished, county boards turn a blind eye to this everywhere it really ****** me off."
Yeah like a one match ban for the opening group game in next year's Champo v a ban in a big Champo match this year!

It's not right.

Personally I think any sub coming in and getting a red should be get a serious, serious ban, and if that ban takes a couple of years to serve then so be it.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13048 - 15/09/2020 20:50:04    2292342

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Knew I would come on here to find it has nothing to do with Ballymun vs Kilmacud.

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 974 - 15/09/2020 20:54:44    2292344

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Seeing as everything has to be about Kerry I think we can actually draw a parallel between Crokes and Ballymun and Clifford's red card.

In both instances those that instigated the trouble get away with less of a punishment than those who responded. It's a problem in GAA that has been around for years but no one seems to want to tackle it.

People were quick to jump on Clifford and the Ballymun lads and say they shouldn't have reated etc which is true but that misses the point I'm making here that there needs to be harsher punishments for those who start these things.

We want players like Clifford to be given a little more protection is all.

Same as the Crokes players started the rows on Sunday when they couldn't match Ballymun in football."
Agree totally with you, my observation as well. Refs cannot help themselves, GAA games have seven officials and not an eyeball between them. The instigators have to be punished or if you habent seen it just dish out yellow.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4367 - 15/09/2020 21:57:46    2292358

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Well Brian I mentioned the gouging incident 5 years ago because the guy involved happens to be from the same club as the guys from this new incident of gouging, and its just a coincidence that it happened against 1 of my county men so that's the kerry angle right there, that's why Kerry comes into it.

How many incidents have to happen in 1 place before people start to think there is a problem? I can't remember any other gouging incidents anywhere else in the country in the last 5 years not to mind 2.

You say you weren't on the David Clifford thread and that's fair enough as I wasn't on the Tommy Conlon Seán Boylan thréad but maybe you should give an old wander over to the David Clifford thread and call out a few of the dubs posters seen as you seem to have taken on the Wyatt Earp roll on here but I don't reckon you will somehow."
Yet another thread dragged down by yourself well done !!

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2017 - 15/09/2020 23:01:14    2292376

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In 2010 Ulster played Stade Francais in the Heineken Cup. TWO French players gouged the eyes of Stephen Ferris. David Attoub got a 70 week ban (16 month) while his Stade team mate Julien Dupuy got 24 weeks (6 months). In 1999 a Colomiers prop Richard Nones got a 2 year ban for gouging. Rugby deals with eye gouging the way it should be. Let's be honest here, Dublin club and county has a problem with eye gouging and both Dublin county and it's club teams have got off the hook because, let's be honest again, it's Dublin. The maximum the players booked in the Ballymun/Kilmacud would get in a review would be 2 games. This is scandalous. Does anyone think that if this was Tyrone, Armagh or even Meath they would get away with it? Not a chance.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9253 - 16/09/2020 00:50:05    2292380

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Replying To arock:  "Agree totally with you, my observation as well. Refs cannot help themselves, GAA games have seven officials and not an eyeball between them. The instigators have to be punished or if you habent seen it just dish out yellow."
arock your original response was to say it wasn't eye gouging.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6782 - 16/09/2020 04:22:07    2292382

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Seeing as everything has to be about Kerry I think we can actually draw a parallel between Crokes and Ballymun and Clifford's red card.

In both instances those that instigated the trouble get away with less of a punishment than those who responded. It's a problem in GAA that has been around for years but no one seems to want to tackle it.

People were quick to jump on Clifford and the Ballymun lads and say they shouldn't have reated etc which is true but that misses the point I'm making here that there needs to be harsher punishments for those who start these things.

We want players like Clifford to be given a little more protection is all.

Same as the Crokes players started the rows on Sunday when they couldn't match Ballymun in football."
I don't know mes, the game will become very sterile if the backs can't get in the forwards head a bit ( just not through their eyes :-) that's a joke by the way incase I upset the children on here) but we don't want the game to turn into a challenge match.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11212 - 16/09/2020 07:52:55    2292385

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Replying To catch22:  "Ah , I'm just laughing at KB and his inability to resist an opportunity to play the poor Kerry card. There was a chap on from Kerry recently and he wouldn't accept he was from Kerry because he was actually more fair minded and balanced than he liked.
Typical of a couple of the Kerry boys."
Sorry dude, think I went off too hard on you. I shouldn't have. I missed the post you mentioned so your original post makes sense now ;) Its unfortunate that so few people can give a location/ people/ fan base such a bad name. Kind of ironic that KB made such an accusation about Ballymun when he's one of the few that constantly drags good Kerry posters down.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 859 - 16/09/2020 09:24:47    2292397

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Well Brian I mentioned the gouging incident 5 years ago because the guy involved happens to be from the same club as the guys from this new incident of gouging, and its just a coincidence that it happened against 1 of my county men so that's the kerry angle right there, that's why Kerry comes into it.

How many incidents have to happen in 1 place before people start to think there is a problem? I can't remember any other gouging incidents anywhere else in the country in the last 5 years not to mind 2.

You say you weren't on the David Clifford thread and that's fair enough as I wasn't on the Tommy Conlon Seán Boylan thréad but maybe you should give an old wander over to the David Clifford thread and call out a few of the dubs posters seen as you seem to have taken on the Wyatt Earp roll on here but I don't reckon you will somehow."
Pretty poor comeback. Two incidents five years apart, in two very different locations, on two vastly different teams with a single tenuous link of both players happen to be from the same club is a problem. So you are painting the while club with the same brush. That's a very low opinion to have of the great work of many people in the Ballymun area.

Again you tried to play the poor Kerry card and how you were wronged in the past. The Philly McMahon incident and the incident at the weekend had nothing to do with each other. I don't see people claiming there's a problem with fish hooking in Kerry because of what happened with Paul Galvin years ago. It was an isolated incident, it was dealt with at the time and people moved on. Or Tadhg Kennealy and his premeditated marker on Nicolas Murphy. People move on and leave the passed where it is. Yourself and a few others from Kerry just can't let it lie though and unfortunately that reflects badly on many a good Kerry poster on here.

As for your comments on David Clifford, I had a look at the thread and felt people were trying to discuss the incident. The post was started by a Dublin poster to discuss what happened. I don't think there were any generalisations or throw away comments more a discussion of an unfortunate incident and how we'd all prefer that Clifford hadn't reacted so we could all enjoy watching one of the best footballers in the country.

On the Wyatt Earp thing, why thank you. A lovely compliment to receive ;) Now mozzy on and discuss the incident and stop slinging cow dung.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 859 - 16/09/2020 09:44:21    2292400

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