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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Not necessarily true. Plenty of Clubs team's don't have an alternative kit,. Clubs wouldn't have the expense a County team would have to spend, and might not bother purchasing a second kit if rarely used. Nonetheless it is would be useful if all club team did have alternative Jersey."
Surely clubs could afford one set of jerseys in a different colour. The away kit wouldn't have to be changed very regularly anyway. Soccer clubs, with presumably far smaller budgets, up and down the country can afford two or three kits for all their teams.

And I think it would be a lot handier if the obligation to change was with the home team as all they would have to do is nip into the clubhouse, if that's where the away strip is kept.

DL_Man (Donegal) - Posts: 68 - 11/09/2020 19:28:56    2291600

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Always wondered myself why do both teams need to change when it's agreed there's a colour clash in GAA?

What would be wrong with tossing a coin to decide who changes, and who gets to wear their usual gear?"
Maybe the GAA are really PC on not giving the team who plays in their home kit a psychological edge, though as long as it's not a jersey as ugly and ridiculous as Man United's at Southampton back in the day, that excuse is nonsense

eoghan6688 (Galway) - Posts: 121 - 11/09/2020 19:35:43    2291602

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Replying To Breezy:  "Same with Sligo for the black kit"
Wonder how long it will be before Sligo are not allowed wear their black jersey anymore

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1339 - 11/09/2020 20:12:25    2291607

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Watch Duhallow vs UCC 2 weeks ago, bad clash, Duhallow are reddish orange and black and ucc were red and black

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 138 - 11/09/2020 22:14:11    2291627

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Replying To TheHermit:  "I'm pretty sure Kerry played with their usual jersey in the 97 final.
These days Kerry and Mayo both usually change their strip if they meet but in 04 and 06 they both wore their usual colours and I don't recall any huge problem with it. I certainly didn't have any trouble picking out whose who in the terrace that day.
Interestingly when Kerry won their first football All Ireland for the 1903 championship, they were reported as wearing green and red but once they won they officially lodged their colours with the GAA as green and gold, the gold hoop being added in recognition of their first title.

Kildare meanwhile took on their nickname to such an extent their players whitewashed their boots in those finals against Kerry!

Cork of course famously changed from blue to red and white in 1920.
Dublin switched to navy in the early 60s so it would come up better on the black and white television.
Down likewise made the controversial decision at the time to wear black shorts instead of the traditional red to have a distinctive appearance.

I seem to recall hearing that Sligo were always white a little black trim but then at some stage in the 90s decided to reverse it and make it a mostly black strip."
Remember watching 1997 final, the Kerry jersey was a bit different to what they normally wear. Normally Kerry have a predominantly green jersey with a gold band. In that year's final the gold band was made much bigger to make the gold colour more prominent than normal on the jersey.
In the 96 drawn final Meath and Mayo strips were a bit similar. In the drawn game Meath only changed from white shorts to green. The story that was said at the time was Meath players still found the strips too similar in the drawn game (at one stage Tommy Dowd passed to a Mayo player) so for the replay Meath changed to wear gold jerseys.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 731 - 11/09/2020 22:29:13    2291629

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Replying To lilypad:  "Wonder how long it will be before Sligo are not allowed wear their black jersey anymore"
Cant think of any county it would clash with so should be fine. Maybe someday Down will have a kit as black as it is reed bud Sligo should be fine

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1024 - 11/09/2020 23:33:18    2291640

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "Remember watching 1997 final, the Kerry jersey was a bit different to what they normally wear. Normally Kerry have a predominantly green jersey with a gold band. In that year's final the gold band was made much bigger to make the gold colour more prominent than normal on the jersey.
In the 96 drawn final Meath and Mayo strips were a bit similar. In the drawn game Meath only changed from white shorts to green. The story that was said at the time was Meath players still found the strips too similar in the drawn game (at one stage Tommy Dowd passed to a Mayo player) so for the replay Meath changed to wear gold jerseys."
Maybe your right, I didn't notice at all at the time but then again as a kid I got the addias jersey and always thought that was the 97 winning jersey too, was surprised a few years later to find out addias only swooped in the year later.
Loved that addias jersey then Croke Park decided Kerry couldn't be allowed something like that and forced them to get O'Neills ones again.
Fast forward 20 years later and well, sure some other counties are given millions by HQ themselves let alone some sponsor !!!

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 5721 - 11/09/2020 23:54:30    2291646

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "St.Johns have a white/blue/white away kit and Rossa's is similar to the Clare home Jersey so there should be no reason for them lining out in both home jersey's especially since it wasn't a neutral venue match. The county board were dishing out fines in previous years for this type of thing so the clubs should know better. It was a horrible dull evening too for dark shirts. I agree this type of thing should be straightforward, especially for a senior championship match."
Yep - but as it was two city teams then the normal rules/punishmets don't apply. Clubs are normally advised in advance were there is any sort of colour clash so that it is known before match day who is wearing what. I know as it happened to a team I was managing before a County final as the teams wore similar colours. Maybe getting one of the teams to wear county crested balaclavas would have solved the issue.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 3996 - 12/09/2020 11:27:50    2291671

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "I'm not sure why Mayo did not change at all in either in 1996 AIF (Meath wore Green shorts in drawn match and changed to a Gold jersey for the replay) or 1997 AIF (Kerry changed to a jersey where the Gold 'band' took up most of the jersey)."
Bduddah probably the first ever final that both teams changed kits happened on the 22nd September 1957 when Louth took on Cork in the final. With both teams having red and white as their main colours, Louth wore the Leinster colours of green while Cork wore the Munster colours of blue. It was a unique occasion as not only was it the first ever Championship meeting between the teams but it was the smallest county in Ireland taking on the biggest county. Cork were favourites as they had reached the final in 1956 but were beaten by Galway.

The Louth captain Dermot O Brien at the time nearly did not get into the match as he travelled separately from the rest of the Louth team. He was receiving treatment for a shoulder injury. On arrival at Croke Park he discovered the gates locked at the Cusack Stand where the dressingrooms were, and had to go round to the Hogan Stand side to try to get in. He finally managed to squeeze through and speak to a gateman. He explained is dilemma and who he was, the captain of Louth, but he refused to let O'Brien through. He was looking at his watch and it was under an hour before the game started and he stood outside and nobody would believe who he was. Luckily for him a large contingent of Louth supporters recognised him and started to chant: "Let O'Brien through. Let O'Brien through.' "It was only then that he managed to get in and across the pitch to the dressing room. All the while the loudspeaker was calling for the Louth captain to report to the dressingroom, and he eventually made it with minutes to spare.

Louth won a score-line of 1-09 to 1-07 and it was their first All Ireland since 1912. It was the only time that Sam landed in the wonderful Wee County. It was a good day for the north-east as Meath hammered Armagh in the Minor match. 1957 was def Louth's heaven.

Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 165 - 12/09/2020 12:39:13    2291681

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "Yep - but as it was two city teams then the normal rules/punishmets don't apply. Clubs are normally advised in advance were there is any sort of colour clash so that it is known before match day who is wearing what. I know as it happened to a team I was managing before a County final as the teams wore similar colours. Maybe getting one of the teams to wear county crested balaclavas would have solved the issue."
I'm pretty sure St.Johns recieved a fine a couple of years ago for the same thing. The end of the day when they head up the Shaws Road they should know what colours Rossa will be wearing. The mainly white Jersey should've been with them. If they recieve another fine they can have no complaints.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 1966 - 12/09/2020 12:54:52    2291684

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "Yep - but as it was two city teams then the normal rules/punishmets don't apply. Clubs are normally advised in advance were there is any sort of colour clash so that it is known before match day who is wearing what. I know as it happened to a team I was managing before a County final as the teams wore similar colours. Maybe getting one of the teams to wear county crested balaclavas would have solved the issue."
Well I suppose this is the issue. Do county boards communicate this message to clubs efficiently? And if so, why are clubs continually wearing clashing colours. The other poster mentioned the johnnies getting a fine a few years ago for the same thing. If that's the case then the fine clearly isn't hefty enough to deter them from doing it again.

Another problem (quite common in Donegal) is clubs wearing a different colour kit from year to year as their "home" kit. For example, a club might wear red with a white trim one year and go for white with a red trim the next, meaning there is confusion as to what their primary kit is (although I believe all clubs have their main colour registered with the county board) There are obviously bigger issues in the GAA but it's such an easy issue to fix.

DL_Man (Donegal) - Posts: 68 - 14/09/2020 20:37:42    2292116

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Interestingly I posted this on the Meath pager didn't really get much info but since this is a similar topic I'll try here! Strange kit combination here from Meath as what can only be described as an inverted Brazil Kit. Green shirts, BLUE shorts and yellow socks!

Has anyone any idea when they changed to blue shorts and how long did it last? Very strange kit combination to say the least!

And have Meath or any other county played in any other odd kit combinations?

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https://www.rte.ie/archives/2014/0717/631332-heffos-army-defeat-royals-1974/

Evernal (Meath) - Posts: 38 - 15/09/2020 10:36:10    2292178

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I think all clubs in Tyrone have second jerseys, reserve and senior play in the two kits. Come championship time if theres a kit clash one team would wear the reserve jersey.

I remember Tyrone vs Monaghan a few years ago were supposed to wear changed kits. Tyrone held up their side of the bargain, Monaghan didn't. Probably some kind of typical Monaghan mind game, as usual it backfired because they were hammered.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 1776 - 15/09/2020 13:36:19    2292241

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Replying To Evernal:  "Interestingly I posted this on the Meath pager didn't really get much info but since this is a similar topic I'll try here! Strange kit combination here from Meath as what can only be described as an inverted Brazil Kit. Green shirts, BLUE shorts and yellow socks!

Has anyone any idea when they changed to blue shorts and how long did it last? Very strange kit combination to say the least!

And have Meath or any other county played in any other odd kit combinations?

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https://www.rte.ie/archives/2014/0717/631332-heffos-army-defeat-royals-1974/"
I can only imagine the kit man forgot Meaths shorts and they are wearing Dublin shorts

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1024 - 15/09/2020 20:39:46    2292338

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "I think all clubs in Tyrone have second jerseys, reserve and senior play in the two kits. Come championship time if theres a kit clash one team would wear the reserve jersey.

I remember Tyrone vs Monaghan a few years ago were supposed to wear changed kits. Tyrone held up their side of the bargain, Monaghan didn't. Probably some kind of typical Monaghan mind game, as usual it backfired because they were hammered."
That was either 2007 or 2010 Ulster Final?? Regardless of which that was all Banty's doing. Good thing he's not in charge anymore. Wait a minute.......

I actually heard a story once from a very reliable source that the Tyrone team knew Banty would pull something ,and were discussing it on the team bus that morning, as his nonsense was so commonplace.

Fair play to the Tyrone lads for holding up their end of the bargain though, great bunch lads (and management) who always play by the rules.

Adler (Monaghan) - Posts: 746 - 15/09/2020 20:45:11    2292340

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Replying To Adler:  "That was either 2007 or 2010 Ulster Final?? Regardless of which that was all Banty's doing. Good thing he's not in charge anymore. Wait a minute.......

I actually heard a story once from a very reliable source that the Tyrone team knew Banty would pull something ,and were discussing it on the team bus that morning, as his nonsense was so commonplace.

Fair play to the Tyrone lads for holding up their end of the bargain though, great bunch lads (and management) who always play by the rules."
Yeah it was one of them alright, im useless with dates. I went to a talk show type thing before one of them games and Nudie Hughes was one of the guests, he was excellent.

I always liked banty, I know many don't in Monaghan but I find his passion infectious. I remember a league game down in Inishkeen I think and he must have done 100 spirits up and down the sideline getting his message across. They won that day if I remember correctly.

Main point is colour clashes shouldn't happen in this day and age.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 1776 - 16/09/2020 10:29:41    2292422

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Replying To Ollie2:  "Bduddah probably the first ever final that both teams changed kits happened on the 22nd September 1957 when Louth took on Cork in the final. With both teams having red and white as their main colours, Louth wore the Leinster colours of green while Cork wore the Munster colours of blue. It was a unique occasion as not only was it the first ever Championship meeting between the teams but it was the smallest county in Ireland taking on the biggest county. Cork were favourites as they had reached the final in 1956 but were beaten by Galway.

The Louth captain Dermot O Brien at the time nearly did not get into the match as he travelled separately from the rest of the Louth team. He was receiving treatment for a shoulder injury. On arrival at Croke Park he discovered the gates locked at the Cusack Stand where the dressingrooms were, and had to go round to the Hogan Stand side to try to get in. He finally managed to squeeze through and speak to a gateman. He explained is dilemma and who he was, the captain of Louth, but he refused to let O'Brien through. He was looking at his watch and it was under an hour before the game started and he stood outside and nobody would believe who he was. Luckily for him a large contingent of Louth supporters recognised him and started to chant: "Let O'Brien through. Let O'Brien through.' "It was only then that he managed to get in and across the pitch to the dressing room. All the while the loudspeaker was calling for the Louth captain to report to the dressingroom, and he eventually made it with minutes to spare.

Louth won a score-line of 1-09 to 1-07 and it was their first All Ireland since 1912. It was the only time that Sam landed in the wonderful Wee County. It was a good day for the north-east as Meath hammered Armagh in the Minor match. 1957 was def Louth's heaven."
I'm pretty sure that wearing provincial colours where there was a clash was a GAA rule at one time. I seem to recall it happening in 1972 - Kerry in blue and Offaly in green.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 367 - 16/09/2020 15:34:35    2292510

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Replying To lionofludesch:  "I'm pretty sure that wearing provincial colours where there was a clash was a GAA rule at one time. I seem to recall it happening in 1972 - Kerry in blue and Offaly in green."
Not a rule but seen as a privilege and handy because a lot of teams had no change kit. Its why lots of teams like Limerick, Cork and Kerry have blue alternate kits and same for Ulster teams especially Down it seems who use Yellow

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1024 - 16/09/2020 22:40:48    2292589

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Replying To Breezy:  "Not a rule but seen as a privilege and handy because a lot of teams had no change kit. Its why lots of teams like Limerick, Cork and Kerry have blue alternate kits and same for Ulster teams especially Down it seems who use Yellow"
In '86 semi final Meath played on Green and White (Leinster colours) while Kerry wore Blue and White (Munster colours). Think this also was case a few times when Meath and Kerry played in underage way back.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 731 - 16/09/2020 23:29:05    2292595

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Replying To Breezy:  "Not a rule but seen as a privilege and handy because a lot of teams had no change kit. Its why lots of teams like Limerick, Cork and Kerry have blue alternate kits and same for Ulster teams especially Down it seems who use Yellow"
If I ever find my 1972 copy of the Official Guide, I'll check it out.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 367 - 17/09/2020 11:26:36    2292637

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