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Penalties - For Or Against?

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If a result on the day is a necessity I would have no issue with penalties, I would be completely against next score wins if teams are level after extra time. If there was a gale blowing straight down the field 1 team automaticlly as a huge advantage,I'm thinking of our own county ground or salthill well the coin toss to decide ends could be the main factor in the result.

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 2423 - 07/09/2020 13:44:27    2290983

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Replying To KillingFields:  "What else do you do if not penalties?
Not all games should have to go to replay or can go to a replay.
45s arent the answer and penalties are better. Opposition has a chance of deciding things in a penalty with a goalie...
In rugby at lower levels there is rules around tiebreakers where you can decide a result where teams are tied at end of game(at underage where extra time is forbidden) and adult level where the tie breaker is
1. most tries - whoever scored most tries wins
2. if teams scored most tries it goes to first try
3. if no team scored a try it goes to first score
4. if game finished 0-0 then it can go to team who got least yellows/reds etc
But that obviously doesnt really translate well to gaelic/hurling."
Golden point - first score wins.

OK - it could be a goal rather than a point but, in reality, who's going to go for goal when a point will win it ?

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 366 - 07/09/2020 14:17:26    2290991

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Replying To lionofludesch:  "Golden point - first score wins.

OK - it could be a goal rather than a point but, in reality, who's going to go for goal when a point will win it ?"
I think that a lot of the talk here on the national forum is too much football-oriented. Which is maybe only natural, since it's the preferred game in most counties anyway. But seriously, next score wins wouldn't work very well in hurling, where it could be all over within seconds if somebody stuck the ball over the bar from 70 yards if it broke cleanly from the throw-in.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 405 - 07/09/2020 15:39:08    2291004

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Replying To zinny:  "Its just how people feel about it. Its the feeling that its a new game and to then just have it over in a couple of seconds would not go down well. Even now, extra time is almost considered a new game and everyone forgets what went on in the previous sixty minutes. I would also say its very rare that the last kick of the game is a scoring free."
After 80 plus minutes before its not really gona feel like being short changed if the next score is the definitive one though is it? There would have been plenty of chances to win it before that.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 1961 - 07/09/2020 16:23:21    2291008

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "I think that a lot of the talk here on the national forum is too much football-oriented. Which is maybe only natural, since it's the preferred game in most counties anyway. But seriously, next score wins wouldn't work very well in hurling, where it could be all over within seconds if somebody stuck the ball over the bar from 70 yards if it broke cleanly from the throw-in."
It makes winning the throw-in vital, that's true. A few seconds is too quick for you, is it ? Not enough time to savour the drama ?

The argument in rugby is that the first team to have possession has a significant advantage. Often the game's won with a drop goal at the end of the first set - less than a minute of play. It doesn't stop them using it.

At least in GAA you've as much chance of getting possession from the throw in as the other lot.

But, if it bothers you, play for five more minutes. If still level after that, keep playing with no formal restart, first score after that wins the match.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 366 - 07/09/2020 18:00:40    2291020

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I'd prefer if they ran with the ball from the 45 and be one on one with keeper

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 138 - 07/09/2020 18:04:15    2291024

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Replying To lionofludesch:  "It makes winning the throw-in vital, that's true. A few seconds is too quick for you, is it ? Not enough time to savour the drama ?

The argument in rugby is that the first team to have possession has a significant advantage. Often the game's won with a drop goal at the end of the first set - less than a minute of play. It doesn't stop them using it.

At least in GAA you've as much chance of getting possession from the throw in as the other lot.

But, if it bothers you, play for five more minutes. If still level after that, keep playing with no formal restart, first score after that wins the match."
I don't like it when things finish too quickly. Ask my wife :)

For what it's worth, my own preferred solution would be to keep playing extra periods of five minutes each, for as long as needed, until there's a winner at the end of one of them. Even the dullest football match should produce a point for one team or the other within ten minutes or so.

I know that's not a perfect solution either, but then again, none of the other suggestions are perfect either.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 405 - 07/09/2020 19:04:53    2291032

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After extra time, all still level, throw in, next score the winner, simple.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4376 - 07/09/2020 20:38:39    2291042

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Replying To arock:  "After extra time, all still level, throw in, next score the winner, simple."
I'd second that.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 2732 - 08/09/2020 01:47:39    2291070

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As someone says extra time, team need to win by two points a bit like a tiebreaker in tennis. Less chance of a fluky winning score. . Reduce teams to 12 for extra time, 10 mins. Then 11 for next 10 etc. Some health and safety people won't like that but extra time should be a new game subs wise. A good coach will see how the land lies and have the best 12 available including no keeper if needed, to grind out a win from tired players.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5868 - 08/09/2020 06:09:33    2291077

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "As someone says extra time, team need to win by two points a bit like a tiebreaker in tennis. Less chance of a fluky winning score. . Reduce teams to 12 for extra time, 10 mins. Then 11 for next 10 etc. Some health and safety people won't like that but extra time should be a new game subs wise. A good coach will see how the land lies and have the best 12 available including no keeper if needed, to grind out a win from tired players."
Jaysus - nobody will have the energy to score !!

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 366 - 08/09/2020 11:15:30    2291100

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Having to win by two points might be a good solution in hurling, where scores are generally easier to come by. But in a defensive football match, which is already tight by nature if it's already gone through extra time and is still level, it could take a long time to build up a two-point lead.

By the way, occurs to me that if part of the reason some people are unhappy with shoot-outs is because they think it borrows too much from soccer, then it's maybe a little ironic that they're borrowing something else from soccer too, in trying to come up with a different way. :)

At least nobody's suggesting tossing a coin to decide the winner, like they did in soccer for a while before shoot-outs were introduced!

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 405 - 08/09/2020 11:30:09    2291103

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "As someone says extra time, team need to win by two points a bit like a tiebreaker in tennis. Less chance of a fluky winning score. . Reduce teams to 12 for extra time, 10 mins. Then 11 for next 10 etc. Some health and safety people won't like that but extra time should be a new game subs wise. A good coach will see how the land lies and have the best 12 available including no keeper if needed, to grind out a win from tired players."
More chance of injury if you do that especially for amateur athletes.
Its not health and safety people who wouldnt like it.
Extra time should never be a new game subs wise. It doesnt exist without the game having reached full time. Its the continuation of the same game.
You cant have it like tennis. Its not comparable at all.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1353 - 08/09/2020 12:36:47    2291111

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Replying To lionofludesch:  "Jaysus - nobody will have the energy to score !!"
That's it. A bit like the Gladiators. It'd be cruel but entertaining.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5868 - 08/09/2020 16:47:57    2291162

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "That's it. A bit like the Gladiators. It'd be cruel but entertaining."
To be fair - getting two points up would get rid of the objection that the game could be over with one puck of the sliothar.

I'm not convinced yet, though.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 366 - 08/09/2020 17:20:59    2291173

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Only if the Penalties are taken in the dark - to add a bit of drama....

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 3991 - 09/09/2020 12:33:49    2291280

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Nay

hamsterdean (Limerick) - Posts: 217 - 11/09/2020 16:37:36    2291577

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Here is another take on the situation. If there was an official clock, that was stopped when play was stopped and restarted when play began, that was in full view of everyone at the match there would probably be a lot less draws to begin with. If when the time is over play 5 minute periods until there is a winner. Again if the clock is in full view I would bet you would have a winner within 1 or 2 5 minute periods.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 133 - 11/09/2020 17:37:04    2291589

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Replying To The_analyser:  "I'd second that."
I agree with this suggestion. If still tied after extra time then the next score wins the game.

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 534 - 11/09/2020 19:00:28    2291597

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Replying To gatha:  "Here is another take on the situation. If there was an official clock, that was stopped when play was stopped and restarted when play began, that was in full view of everyone at the match there would probably be a lot less draws to begin with. If when the time is over play 5 minute periods until there is a winner. Again if the clock is in full view I would bet you would have a winner within 1 or 2 5 minute periods."
Oh, the GAA won't like your take on the situation at all! Potentially 70,000 replay tickets down the drain in so many close matches? Worst case scenario!

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 1961 - 11/09/2020 19:33:10    2291601

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