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Dean Rock Free Taking Project

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Replying To lilylanger:  "Is it clubs he is targeting? It only takes one to cut the path then we may have a deluge of players cashing in. That said Colm Coopers Testimonial hasn't been done since I don't think. What did the Kerry folk think of that?"
Well he is hardly going to teach rival county players how to kick frees even though they could do with him in Mayo for an hour or two!!

hopballref (Galway) - Posts: 455 - 24/07/2020 11:19:25    2285104

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Replying To hopballref:  "All free-takers have their own technique. Its whatever they feel comfortable with. Fair enough on the breathing/imagery etc. Still think it's a waste of money for clubs."
If you are a 12 year old you haven't really got a technique but raw ability, getting a sound technique at this point could make a big difference, over the years the kid may change it to suit want works best. Even established kickers have coaches - professional sports have them so why would they have them if they didn't make a difference even at that level.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2116 - 24/07/2020 12:05:14    2285109

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Replying To hopballref:  "Well he is hardly going to teach rival county players how to kick frees even though they could do with him in Mayo for an hour or two!!"
I mean is it individuals he is targeting or clubs. Maybe both. Also are the prices listed per hour/half day or per day. It doesn't say. It's all very vague.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 24/07/2020 12:09:51    2285111

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Reading this thread when you see what he is charging it's taking the **** a bit regarding being an amateur player. Being honest I think it's not as bad as Gooch's testimonial though.
The real problem with this is players from weaker counties will be discouraged and say if they are getting this out of the game and I getting nothing why should I bother.
Regarding Cul camps, from what I can gather GAA clubs are finding it hard to get raise money at the moment and these are a good way of getting money in.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1416 - 24/07/2020 12:19:51    2285112

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I don't think he'd be doing it if Gavin was still manager.

97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 425 - 24/07/2020 12:58:15    2285115

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Replying To zinny:  "If you are a 12 year old you haven't really got a technique but raw ability, getting a sound technique at this point could make a big difference, over the years the kid may change it to suit want works best. Even established kickers have coaches - professional sports have them so why would they have them if they didn't make a difference even at that level."
Jesus he is hardly going charging 12 year olds 350 quid a session!! That's even worse!!

hopballref (Galway) - Posts: 455 - 24/07/2020 13:11:24    2285118

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If free taking schools are against the amateur ethos then are autobiographies also considered a sin

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 24/07/2020 13:13:27    2285119

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Replying To lilylanger:  "I mean is it individuals he is targeting or clubs. Maybe both. Also are the prices listed per hour/half day or per day. It doesn't say. It's all very vague."
I would imagine he is targeting club players but ultimately it will be the club that will pay the fee. The bigger the group the more he is charging. 350 for 1 person, 400 for 2 persons etc etc. Not sure about length of time.

hopballref (Galway) - Posts: 455 - 24/07/2020 13:15:42    2285120

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Replying To witnof:  "Where's the thread on his charity work and all the other stuff he does off the field???

I think all non-Dublin people should not be allowed to start threads on Dublin players becuase they only pick up rubbish on Social Media and repeat it without actually having a clue what this team does on the ground and around the city.

They do massive work in the background without any fuss and becuase those beyond the 'pale' can't see they have pegged thse Dublin players as money scrounging ass&é"'("
Educate yourself as to where the pale is /was before making your broad generalized statements. Ridiculous comment.

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 968 - 24/07/2020 13:23:50    2285124

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Good luck to him. And is he is successful ( which I am sure he will) many more will follow him.

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 968 - 24/07/2020 13:25:35    2285125

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Replying To hopballref:  "All free-takers have their own technique. Its whatever they feel comfortable with. Fair enough on the breathing/imagery etc. Still think it's a waste of money for clubs."
Maybe so, but clubs could spend that money on a lot worse things

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2581 - 24/07/2020 13:31:47    2285126

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Replying To hopballref:  "Jesus he is hardly going charging 12 year olds 350 quid a session!! That's even worse!!"
I don't really care who he is targeting, if they want to pay for it, its up to them - if a 12yr old parents want to pay for it why does it matter to anyone else but the person paying it.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2116 - 24/07/2020 13:38:10    2285129

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I would be really shocked if he's getting lots of people taking this up at that price.
Free taking is also a mental thing, its all about practice practice.
You can look at each kickers at county level on video and slow it down to see what their approach is, also at club level in each county there's brilliant free kickers who maybe aren't good enough as a player for county.
Personally i think its a waste off money but if clubs/players want to waste there money for a practice session and a selfie then crack on.

Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 755 - 24/07/2020 13:57:05    2285138

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Replying To Yourjoking:  "I would be really shocked if he's getting lots of people taking this up at that price.
Free taking is also a mental thing, its all about practice practice.
You can look at each kickers at county level on video and slow it down to see what their approach is, also at club level in each county there's brilliant free kickers who maybe aren't good enough as a player for county.
Personally i think its a waste off money but if clubs/players want to waste there money for a practice session and a selfie then crack on."
Have you ever tried to excel at any skill?

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1479 - 24/07/2020 14:07:05    2285142

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I'd be more intrigued to see how well he'd cope with taking a pressure free at a packed championship knockout game in front of 40,000 in Killarney or Castlebar, or a stormy Salthill. But alas we will never see such a thing.

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 24/07/2020 14:39:57    2285145

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Replying To republicofcloone:  "I'd be more intrigued to see how well he'd cope with taking a pressure free at a packed championship knockout game in front of 40,000 in Killarney or Castlebar, or a stormy Salthill. But alas we will never see such a thing."
Try to stay on topic new poster from Kerry.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 24/07/2020 14:46:44    2285146

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Replying To zinny:  "I don't really care who he is targeting, if they want to pay for it, its up to them - if a 12yr old parents want to pay for it why does it matter to anyone else but the person paying it."
Any true GAA person would not feel comfortable taking money for training a 12 year. I highly doubt Rock is doing that. Is more geared towards adults I hope.

hopballref (Galway) - Posts: 455 - 24/07/2020 15:40:22    2285151

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Can I ask those posters supporting Dean in this instance. . .

If a county (I'll take Galway as a random example) gets a rich benefactor and wants to pay all their players to go fully professional, pay for play, is that OK? Does it fall under the "well if someone wants to pay them for their services, then fair play to them" line?

Should we, or should we not, try to maintain the GAA's amateur status?

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5306 - 24/07/2020 16:52:17    2285155

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Can I ask those posters supporting Dean in this instance. . .

If a county (I'll take Galway as a random example) gets a rich benefactor and wants to pay all their players to go fully professional, pay for play, is that OK? Does it fall under the "well if someone wants to pay them for their services, then fair play to them" line?

Should we, or should we not, try to maintain the GAA's amateur status?"
Dean Rock is not getting a wad to play though. Its not like for like. He is using his name and his talent to try to make schilling or 350. Has that not what a rake of players before him have done? Some write books, some have basketball camps, some open gyms, some give talks, some have testimonials, a lot do personal appearances, some even give up their jobs to actually be a professional GAA player. How is this any different?

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 24/07/2020 17:16:20    2285157

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No issue with it as long as he is providing these services free to his club

If hed actually ask any member of his club to put their hand in the pocket for this then that would be a disgrace.

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1704 - 24/07/2020 17:41:20    2285160

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