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Most Tactical Sport: Football Or Hurling Or Rugby?

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Some people see sports as just a bunch of people chasing a ball. But I always insist there are tactics involved. How else can one Manager be more successful than others? Anyone can chase a ball.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1080 - 19/05/2020 18:59:30    2278733

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I actually think it's soccer

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 140 - 19/05/2020 21:06:21    2278741

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NFL. The lads over there have massive cards covered with different tactics.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 192 - 19/05/2020 21:27:34    2278743

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Rugby I would say. Just alot more set pieces. Although maybe set pieces aren't that tactical. It's more a method and technique thing. Maybe tactically it is soccer. Gaelic games are a long way off tactically with professional sports. Basketball would be a big one aswell

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1323 - 19/05/2020 21:40:55    2278745

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "NFL. The lads over there have massive cards covered with different tactics."
But look how they go on about a few players beyond the normal few who pass the ball when they do get chance to play the ball through laterals
NFL isnt the answer though it's a ridiculous question anyway

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1631 - 19/05/2020 22:01:10    2278746

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Rugby I would say. Just alot more set pieces. Although maybe set pieces aren't that tactical. It's more a method and technique thing. Maybe tactically it is soccer. Gaelic games are a long way off tactically with professional sports. Basketball would be a big one aswell"
I wouldn't be so quick to knock Gaelic Games tactically. Before Cody came along Kilkenny was good with tons of talent coming up every year but when he took over he took it to a whole new level. Galway had tons of underage and club success, rivaling Kilkenny in that regard, but it didn't translate to Senior All Irelands. WHY? I hear tons of lads complaining about the SWEEPER in Hurling but isn't that a tactic too?

Football has gotten very tactical too with the defensive mindset the rage for a few years there.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1080 - 19/05/2020 22:12:43    2278749

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Replying To DuhallowRed:  "I actually think it's soccer"
It's up there. Certainly has come on leaps and bounds in recent years. Gaelic Football is several years behind it.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3109 - 19/05/2020 22:15:33    2278750

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I would say soccer. Being a Leeds fan, the last 2 seasons under Marcelo Bielsa have been incredible to watch. His tactics are insane, really makes you enjoy watching the game.

Dec82 (Clare) - Posts: 230 - 19/05/2020 22:16:26    2278751

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what about sheep shearing

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1357 - 19/05/2020 22:27:25    2278752

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Replying To lilypad:  "what about sheep shearing"
Baaaaaaad joke.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1080 - 19/05/2020 23:07:08    2278756

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Replying To Dec82:  "I would say soccer. Being a Leeds fan, the last 2 seasons under Marcelo Bielsa have been incredible to watch. His tactics are insane, really makes you enjoy watching the game."
The offside trap when used right is very tactical too. Frustrates skillful teams.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1080 - 19/05/2020 23:08:24    2278757

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Some people see sports as just a bunch of people chasing a ball. But I always insist there are tactics involved. How else can one Manager be more successful than others? Anyone can chase a ball."
That's a good question. When you say tactical do you mean preplanned set moves befors a game, tactics made uphis of the fly and in-game, both? The American Football seems to be all preplanbed tactics that the teams, defensive and attacking, are drilled on for each gane and the coaches call he various plays as the game unfolds and teams don't deviate much from gameplans and less room fir invidual brilliance like in hurlibg, gaelic football or soccer. A lot less but similar planning for set pieces in rugby, everyone should know where they should be and what to do for lineouts and scrums but a goid bit of leeway for indivudual brilliance. Is there such a thing as cheating tactics? Straying a bit offside if the ref doesn't see it in rugby, drawing a foul in basketball when you're driving for a basket, diving in soccer to win a free or a penalty

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5954 - 20/05/2020 09:18:31    2278768

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "NFL. The lads over there have massive cards covered with different tactics."
That's probably true in any sport at top level.

Cricket's definitely up there.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 369 - 20/05/2020 09:41:12    2278771

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Chess

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1583 - 20/05/2020 09:51:33    2278774

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "That's a good question. When you say tactical do you mean preplanned set moves befors a game, tactics made uphis of the fly and in-game, both? The American Football seems to be all preplanbed tactics that the teams, defensive and attacking, are drilled on for each gane and the coaches call he various plays as the game unfolds and teams don't deviate much from gameplans and less room fir invidual brilliance like in hurlibg, gaelic football or soccer. A lot less but similar planning for set pieces in rugby, everyone should know where they should be and what to do for lineouts and scrums but a goid bit of leeway for indivudual brilliance. Is there such a thing as cheating tactics? Straying a bit offside if the ref doesn't see it in rugby, drawing a foul in basketball when you're driving for a basket, diving in soccer to win a free or a penalty"
Lot more in rugby tactics than around planning for set pieces.
At top adult club and underage sides as well as pro you now have teams playing patterns and this determines how teams set up in attack and this totally changes how you play. Be it 2-4-2 or 1-3-3-1 or 1-3-1-3 or 1-3-2-2

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1631 - 20/05/2020 09:54:58    2278775

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Replying To Trump2020:  "I wouldn't be so quick to knock Gaelic Games tactically. Before Cody came along Kilkenny was good with tons of talent coming up every year but when he took over he took it to a whole new level. Galway had tons of underage and club success, rivaling Kilkenny in that regard, but it didn't translate to Senior All Irelands. WHY? I hear tons of lads complaining about the SWEEPER in Hurling but isn't that a tactic too?

Football has gotten very tactical too with the defensive mindset the rage for a few years there."
Re Kilkenny and Cody, you are not taking into account the exceptionally talented group of players that he has had to work with. Some of the all time great players....starting off with DJ Carey and his teammates and then as DJ and his generation retired they passed on the mantle to Shefflin, Tommy Walsh, Jackie Tyrell etc. Throughout most of his time in charge Cody repeated many times that "hurling is a simple game" and although it has always been more complex than that statement would suggest, I think when he did use it he genuinely meant it. There is no doubt that hurling has become far more tactical in the past 8 to 10 years though....I think Davy Fitz and Derek McGrath can take a lot of the credit/blame for that. and Cody certainly has been well able to adapt and embrace the more systematic tactical approach as the game has changed.
Comparing Kilkenny and Galway over most of the period you are doing so is not comparing like with like. Yes we had wonderful underage talent throughout the 90's and noughties but it wasnt the fact that we lacked a manager with great tactical nous that held us back as much as the championship system under which we played...in the back door era entering the championship for our first game at All Ire quarter final stage against battle-hardened opponents who had learned from their earlier games. As you know, we never knew what our best formation was until we had lost and we didnt have a 2nd chance to rectify it. Then when we entered Leinster in 2008 it was a whole new experience...it is not surprising (it was something I expected would happen) it took us a good few years to adapt and get accustomed to the strangeness of playing games in a province that is not our own.
It's true we would have found it a mammoth task to achieve senior success during Kilkenny's golden era anyway but had we been in Leinster from 1997 when the backdoor system started, I think we might have sneaked an All Ireland or 2 in the early to mid noughties with that very talented group of players we had which included Eugene Cloonan and Kevin Broderick.
Cody has been and is a great manager but his ability as a tactician is only part of the story.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1448 - 20/05/2020 10:21:29    2278779

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Replying To witnof:  "Chess"
Not a sport.

Somebody will be suggesting Bridge next.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 369 - 20/05/2020 10:41:35    2278783

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Snooker????

Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 221 - 20/05/2020 11:18:40    2278788

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Replying To Ollie2:  "Snooker????"
Not a sport.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 369 - 20/05/2020 11:36:17    2278790

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Replying To lionofludesch:  "Not a sport."
Once you sink the pink it's a sport to me Lionofludesch.

Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 221 - 20/05/2020 14:18:48    2278807

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