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Most Tactical Sport: Football Or Hurling Or Rugby?

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Replying To streaker:  "Eh, yes I know you can. However, I wasn't referring to Snakes and Ladders. I was referring to snooker."
Then I've no idea what point you're making.

Mine was that it takes more than mere winning and losing to make an activity a sport.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 369 - 21/05/2020 09:08:01    2278889

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Thanks for the thoughts, lads. I'd no idea that there were such fiercely held views on what constitutes a sport,.

You've made me smile and even laugh out loud.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 369 - 21/05/2020 09:09:59    2278891

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Replying To lionofludesch:  "Lots of things have skills. Wood turning for instance. It doesn't make them sports.

Childish ? Because I have a different view to you ? Ah - come on - sure, you're better than a cheap jibe."
Going on about wood turning. I'm calling you childish because of previous posts and then things like going on about wood turning.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1631 - 21/05/2020 09:15:11    2278892

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Replying To perfect10:  "define physical effort,does darts count as it takes physical effort to throw a dart"
Jaysus - does everything have to be defined these days ? Or have in internet link ?

Can no-one use their common sense ?

When the doctor says I need more exercise, will I say "I'll have a few frames of snooker and a game of darts" ?

Sure - I never saw Ronnie O'Sullivan out of breath. And he was quicker than most round the table.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 369 - 21/05/2020 09:21:19    2278893

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Going on about wood turning. I'm calling you childish because of previous posts and then things like going on about wood turning."
There's more to sport than skill. The wood turning point is very relevant if only you could see it.

But we all have our views. Yours is just as valid as mine.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 369 - 21/05/2020 09:40:17    2278898

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Replying To lionofludesch:  "Thanks for the thoughts, lads. I'd no idea that there were such fiercely held views on what constitutes a sport,.

You've made me smile and even laugh out loud."
Can you imagine after a few old pints how thick things would get? Ha ha ha.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1080 - 21/05/2020 12:16:24    2278907

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Can you imagine after a few old pints how thick things would get? Ha ha ha."
Lol - it would.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 369 - 21/05/2020 12:43:37    2278911

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Replying To lionofludesch:  "There's more to sport than skill. The wood turning point is very relevant if only you could see it.

But we all have our views. Yours is just as valid as mine."
The wood turning point isnt relevant at all and you going "we all have our views yours is as valid is mine" is very trumpian and bull

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1631 - 21/05/2020 13:03:51    2278912

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Replying To lionofludesch:  "Thanks for the thoughts, lads. I'd no idea that there were such fiercely held views on what constitutes a sport,.

You've made me smile and even laugh out loud."
Says the lad that started the whole debate. And did the same on the "After GAA, Your Second Favourite Sport" thread a while back...

streaker (Galway) - Posts: 385 - 21/05/2020 14:39:03    2278918

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Replying To streaker:  "Says the lad that started the whole debate. And did the same on the "After GAA, Your Second Favourite Sport" thread a while back..."
Is that not what fora are for ?

Debate ?

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 369 - 21/05/2020 15:49:55    2278920

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Replying To lionofludesch:  "Is that not what fora are for ?

Debate ?"
Exactly.

So there's no need to laugh out loud (or "lol", as some insist on using) at different views to your own.

streaker (Galway) - Posts: 385 - 21/05/2020 16:17:56    2278925

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Replying To streaker:  "Exactly.

So there's no need to laugh out loud (or "lol", as some insist on using) at different views to your own."
Fair comment, Streaker.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 369 - 21/05/2020 17:42:49    2278930

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Ive gone back and forth with lads about what is and isn't a sport and what's considered a game or whatever. There's a lot of people that won't call motor sports a sport and some that won't call the GAME of golf a sport. I truly don't care. It's like the pronunciation of potato or tomato: it's all semantics.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1080 - 21/05/2020 18:36:01    2278934

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Ive gone back and forth with lads about what is and isn't a sport and what's considered a game or whatever. There's a lot of people that won't call motor sports a sport and some that won't call the GAME of golf a sport. I truly don't care. It's like the pronunciation of potato or tomato: it's all semantics."
Is 25's a sport?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1115 - 21/05/2020 18:56:23    2278935

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Ive gone back and forth with lads about what is and isn't a sport and what's considered a game or whatever. There's a lot of people that won't call motor sports a sport and some that won't call the GAME of golf a sport. I truly don't care. It's like the pronunciation of potato or tomato: it's all semantics."
'You can't make chips out of tomatoes'

William Shakespeare

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5954 - 21/05/2020 21:42:43    2278947

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "'You can't make chips out of tomatoes'

William Shakespeare"
Give them time, someone will do it. Maybe with a 3D Printer.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1080 - 21/05/2020 22:25:47    2278951

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"Tactics" to me is when you have a plan to win against a particular opponent, instead of just going man to man and hoping for the best. Set plays can be used tactically, but set plays are not tactics in themselves.

All serious teams nowadays are tactical, Gaelic teams no less than anybody else. Senior club teams have been tactical since c the mid 80s. Ranking sports by which is more tactical when we can't even agree on what a sport is, never mind what tactics are, is just a cover for people to air their personal prejudices about which sport is "better". The country is full of sporting snobs, primarily hardcore single-sport soccer, Rugby and hurling fans (generalist fans who enjoy a variety of sports obviously excepted), who will bend your ear about their sports being superior - even though most of them have little interest in other sports, have next to no serious knowledge of other sports and by definition are basing their prejudices on ingrained ignorance.

Reality is that all sports are fantastic, all require skill. I spent years laughing at cricket and taking the p out of my English work colleagues about it. Then at work in London years ago, there was a work cricket do and I was prevailed upon to have a go. To say I was dire would have been an understatement. Having seen enough of my wild baseball swings (I hit nothing), I quit after 20 minutes and I retired to the bar. "It's safer that way", my colleagues agreed. I'm still no fan of it, but the point was my superior attitude about that sport was and to and extent still is based on nothing but ignorance and prejudice; and when I tried it, I was complete rubbish.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 796 - 22/05/2020 14:15:28    2278983

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Re Kilkenny and Cody, you are not taking into account the exceptionally talented group of players that he has had to work with. Some of the all time great players....starting off with DJ Carey and his teammates and then as DJ and his generation retired they passed on the mantle to Shefflin, Tommy Walsh, Jackie Tyrell etc. Throughout most of his time in charge Cody repeated many times that "hurling is a simple game" and although it has always been more complex than that statement would suggest, I think when he did use it he genuinely meant it. There is no doubt that hurling has become far more tactical in the past 8 to 10 years though....I think Davy Fitz and Derek McGrath can take a lot of the credit/blame for that. and Cody certainly has been well able to adapt and embrace the more systematic tactical approach as the game has changed.
Comparing Kilkenny and Galway over most of the period you are doing so is not comparing like with like. Yes we had wonderful underage talent throughout the 90's and noughties but it wasnt the fact that we lacked a manager with great tactical nous that held us back as much as the championship system under which we played...in the back door era entering the championship for our first game at All Ire quarter final stage against battle-hardened opponents who had learned from their earlier games. As you know, we never knew what our best formation was until we had lost and we didnt have a 2nd chance to rectify it. Then when we entered Leinster in 2008 it was a whole new experience...it is not surprising (it was something I expected would happen) it took us a good few years to adapt and get accustomed to the strangeness of playing games in a province that is not our own.
It's true we would have found it a mammoth task to achieve senior success during Kilkenny's golden era anyway but had we been in Leinster from 1997 when the backdoor system started, I think we might have sneaked an All Ireland or 2 in the early to mid noughties with that very talented group of players we had which included Eugene Cloonan and Kevin Broderick.
Cody has been and is a great manager but his ability as a tactician is only part of the story."
100% on the money. I think a better question is What game did all these tactics ruin more football or hurling? I would say football.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 183 - 22/05/2020 14:40:07    2278987

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Replying To gatha:  "100% on the money. I think a better question is What game did all these tactics ruin more football or hurling? I would say football."
I'd say Football would be easier to ruin as it's slower than Hurling but when it's played right it's a thing of beauty.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1080 - 22/05/2020 19:04:29    2279004

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Replying To KillingFields:  "The wood turning point isnt relevant at all and you going "we all have our views yours is as valid is mine" is very trumpian and bull"
when we were young we had great sport chasing youngones,now that was sport,we had to be tactical and fast and adapt quickly to outwit the opposition to win the trophy,

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 484 - 22/05/2020 19:34:53    2279007

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