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Replying To tiobraid:  "To be fair I think Murphy within 3 seasons showed he is the best of all time. The others have pulled off some outstanding saves but when KK were at their weakest a couple of years ago, Murphy pulled off 2-3 in every game.
If KK had him 10/15 years ago I think they could have won 10 in a row, he's that good.
Almost all the rest have made a mistake or two - as brilliant as they all were."
Murphy has made mistakes too. He let in a soft goal from Johnny Glynn in the 2018 Leinster Final replay, which any good keeper would expect to save. All goalies make mistakes. He's an excellent one for sure.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 813 - 19/05/2020 09:02:51    2278666

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Replying To Onfor15:  "In relation to the team
1. Cummins isn't in the top 2 goalkeepers. Fitzhenry and Eoin Murphy are the best two to have ever played. Fitzhenry should have been selected for this in my view.

2. Corcoran another questionable pick.
3. Logan, was he a better full back than JJ Delaney or Noel Hickey or Daithi Burke? No he wasn't.
4. O Sullivan - picking him is just laughable.

5. Tommy Walsh - No argument, best of all time
6. Padraig Maher - No argument, Tipps best and most consistent player of the last 40 years.
7. Whelehan - No argument

8. Fennelly - No argument
9. Tommy Dunne - not so sure, depends on who doesn't make it in elsewhere. Ken McGrath, Tony Browne, David Burke, Noel McGrath, Derek Lyng I'd have ahead of him.

But really the choices made from 1-4 are very very questionable"
I think it is hard to pick most forwards in one position because over their careers they move around a lot. However backs are different. If I were to pick the best 6 backs in the positions they played my picks would be
Fitzhenry
Canning
Delaney
Tyrell
Whelehan
McMahon/McGrath would give it to Seanie just because he won a couple of All Irelands no problem either way though
Maher

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 133 - 19/05/2020 13:51:47    2278695

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Full Forward line
Kelley
English
Callinan
I think DJ should be Full Forward with Kelley and Callinan and TJ Reid should be wing forward. I would also have Horgan ahead of English.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 133 - 21/05/2020 21:20:06    2278942

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6 from Tipp don't know how Kilkenny were able to beat them at all.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 133 - 21/05/2020 21:22:08    2278943

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Replying To gatha:  "6 from Tipp don't know how Kilkenny were able to beat them at all."
No Ollie Canning, JJ Delaney, TJ Reid or Ken McGrath more holes on this team than you'd find in Augusta

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 2416 - 21/05/2020 21:56:49    2278950

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Replying To gatha:  "6 from Tipp don't know how Kilkenny were able to beat them at all."
Maybe Tipp did KK by more than ten points in each of three finals this decade. No big of Tipp-what LK man is- but just saying

Oldertourman (Limerick) - Posts: 161 - 22/05/2020 10:12:35    2278968

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Replying To Oldertourman:  "Maybe Tipp did KK by more than ten points in each of three finals this decade. No big of Tipp-what LK man is- but just saying"
Well it is not a team of the last 10 years so don't see your point but, even in the last 10 years The Cats have 4 All Irelands the most in hurling. Tipp have 3. Since 79, when this team is picked from, it is 11 to 6. Any team without JJ, TJ and Ollie Canning since 79 is not a reflection of the brilliance of those players. One last thing JJ played on Kelley and Callinan and won 3 only lost 1 final against Tipp not to mention league finals and All Ireland Championship matches. Anyway it is good fun to talk about the great players in these trying times. Past away a bit of time. Stay Healthy

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 133 - 22/05/2020 11:00:51    2278971

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Replying To gatha:  "Well it is not a team of the last 10 years so don't see your point but, even in the last 10 years The Cats have 4 All Irelands the most in hurling. Tipp have 3. Since 79, when this team is picked from, it is 11 to 6. Any team without JJ, TJ and Ollie Canning since 79 is not a reflection of the brilliance of those players. One last thing JJ played on Kelley and Callinan and won 3 only lost 1 final against Tipp not to mention league finals and All Ireland Championship matches. Anyway it is good fun to talk about the great players in these trying times. Past away a bit of time. Stay Healthy"
Its also not a team of all Ireland medal winners but a team of individuals. JJ rarely played on Eoin Kelly ( who i assume you mean). He done a reasonable job on Callanan in 2014 but conceded 0-5 from play in the drawn game and 2-0 in the replay. However, I would have found a place for him having said that. With the exception of Cummins I can't seea huge argument against the rest of the Tipp players. Jackie Tyrell even recently picked Eoin Kelly ahead of Shefflin, Reid, DJ (?) and Eddie Brennan as the best forward he ever played with (as he did in Kierans) and that's some statement.

From a Tipp perspective I think Noel Mcgrath is unfortunate to miss out. He has only failed to score from play in one game (in 50 odd) cship games which no one can compare to.

John Troy is also the most skilful player I've seen.

Not everyone can get in though but for me (and at the risk of contradicting myself) Mullane probably deserves to be in there.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2867 - 22/05/2020 23:12:57    2279024

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Replying To gatha:  "Well it is not a team of the last 10 years so don't see your point but, even in the last 10 years The Cats have 4 All Irelands the most in hurling. Tipp have 3. Since 79, when this team is picked from, it is 11 to 6. Any team without JJ, TJ and Ollie Canning since 79 is not a reflection of the brilliance of those players. One last thing JJ played on Kelley and Callinan and won 3 only lost 1 final against Tipp not to mention league finals and All Ireland Championship matches. Anyway it is good fun to talk about the great players in these trying times. Past away a bit of time. Stay Healthy"
Thanks for the reply. I overlooked the thirty year span, but in fairness Tipp did overhaul KK in four finals in that period and that is a record against the Cats in that period no other county comes near. Of course that is not to say the KK team, of the oughties especially, were not the greatest team ever

Oldertourman (Limerick) - Posts: 161 - 22/05/2020 23:27:45    2279027

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In the Sunday Game era (from 1979), pretty sure that KK have won 16 senior All Irelands.
Also in the Cody era KK and Tipp have met in championship knockout on 11 occasions, including one draw, and KK have won on 7 occasions. Also numerous League Finals have gone KKs way.
As with all people votes, the bigger populated counties are always going to do better.

Toc (Kildare) - Posts: 3 - 23/05/2020 17:18:21    2279072

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Replying To gatha:  "I think it is hard to pick most forwards in one position because over their careers they move around a lot. However backs are different. If I were to pick the best 6 backs in the positions they played my picks would be
Fitzhenry
Canning
Delaney
Tyrell
Whelehan
McMahon/McGrath would give it to Seanie just because he won a couple of All Irelands no problem either way though
Maher"
No Tommy Walsh?

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 222 - 24/05/2020 09:45:32    2279101

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Replying To Onfor15:  "No Tommy Walsh?"
Tommy and Sid played the same position in my opinion Sid was better. I would say he is the best wing back I ever saw.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 133 - 24/05/2020 13:19:08    2279120

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full forward line for me was eoin kelly,hoggy and eddie brennan.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3767 - 24/05/2020 13:19:24    2279121

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I think people are looking too much at the current and not the overall period.

Granted you aren't pitting DJ against TJ but DJ has 9 All Stars compared to TJ's 4 and DJ won two less All Irelands than him. TJ has been with KK since 2007 and has 4 All Stars - which by the way he has been excellent in but people forget the names of people who are being left out here also.

The likes of Joe, Shefflin, DJ, Eoin Kelly and John Mullane were consistently excellent since their teens or early 20's all the way to the end or close to the end of their careers. TJ has definitely been at their level but not over the same period of time. He has also been substituted in a few finals.
You also have the likes of JBM, Nicky English, Ken McGrath, Ben O'Connor, Horgan and Eddie Brennan and many more who may not even get a look in. Some of whom have a lot less All Ireland's and more All Stars than TJ."
John mullanes championship record is 3.8 scores per gamefrom play. Henry sheflin is 2.9, Eddy Berennan,2.9. If a forward job is scoring from, Mullane has to be on any team. Shefflin and Brennans would have top up their average scores by quit a lot by playing in a dire Leinster championship! Its easier to score against Laois,Carlow,Westmeath,etc than against Cork, Tipp or Clare.

jfk21 (Dublin) - Posts: 51 - 24/05/2020 13:43:26    2279122

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Replying To perfect10:  "it is a totally objective observation and one i would 1000% agree on.
for me,him,tommy,brian whelehan were the first 3 names on my team.
am i remembering wrongly that brian corcoran was missing for about 3-4-5 years in the mid-late nineties?
my team so far would be :
fitzhenry (might be biased,but for me he was the cream of the crop)
delaney
lohan
ollie canning
tommy walsh
maher
brian whelehan"
Brian Corcoran missing in mid to late 90's? And you are allowed to post??? Corcoran gave a man of the match performance, when he led JBM's babes in their win over Kilkenny in All Ireland final, when he dominated the game from center back. He was an ever present on the Cork team in the 90's. I would rate Brian and Tipperary's Mick Roche as the best center half backs I have ever seen!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 518 - 24/05/2020 19:29:19    2279140

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Nobody has mentioned Dan the Man! Dan gave some exceptional displays around 2004. Admittedly his longevity was questionable, but he could be included at half or full forward. My team of last 30 years is. Cusack, Corcoran, Delaney, Tyrrell, Walsh, Maher,Whelehan, Brendan Maher, Fennelly, Reid, Shefflin,Kelly, Horgan, Shanahan, Lar Corbett. Subs; Brennan; Jamsie O Connor, Sean Og O Hailpin, Ciaran Carey, Eoin Larkin

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 518 - 24/05/2020 20:09:43    2279143

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Another team: Cummins, Brian Murphy, Lohan, Canning, Gardiner, McMahon, Browne, Ken McGrath, Richie Hogan, Ben O Connor, Canning, John O Dwyer, Noel McGrath, Callinan, Brennan

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 518 - 24/05/2020 20:25:25    2279145

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Forgot DJ Carey: Joe Deane, Anthony Daly, Ronan Curran, Brian Hogan. Almost impossible to pick a team.

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 518 - 24/05/2020 21:36:17    2279147

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Replying To Rockies:  "Another team: Cummins, Brian Murphy, Lohan, Canning, Gardiner, McMahon, Browne, Ken McGrath, Richie Hogan, Ben O Connor, Canning, John O Dwyer, Noel McGrath, Callinan, Brennan"
No DJ in both your teams?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1044 - 24/05/2020 22:48:24    2279155

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "No DJ in both your teams?"
He could be slotted in instead of Eddie Brennan in 2nd team. DJ had 2 poor All Ireland finals 2003 and 2004 when Wayne Sherlock marked him. Wayne had much more difficulty with John Mullane. We are fortunate to have witnessed such talent from amateurs. As manager, Brian Cody wins easily as best in 40 years.

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 518 - 25/05/2020 00:45:50    2279160

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