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Replying To perfect10:  "i dunno if its just me but i would have wayne sherlock ahead of both sully and corcoran.
sully was the man for the booming clearance and the crowd pleaser but for me,he wasn't in the jj/noel hickey/jackie tyrell/ollie canning/frank lohan of backs.
corcoran burst onto the scene in 92 was it,did he give up the game for years after that or am i remembering things wrong?he returned to play full forward years later,but was there a gap in the years in between?
i am not saying that he they were not great hurlers,but i think there was better than both in the last 20 years that weren't picked."
You did not much of Corcoran from 92- 99, because Cork lost every match in that period except when they beat Limerick, in 98, only to be utterly steamrolled by the Banner the next day. Simple put, there was no place for Brian to show his skills in those years.

Oldertourman (Limerick) - Posts: 161 - 13/05/2020 16:41:55    2278073

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Replying To perfect10:  "would have picked ollie canning ahead of brian corcoran and jj ahead of the rock.
in fairness,i listened to 1 episode and thought it was cringe,the producer knew nothing about hurling and offered his opinion on everything."
I agree. Shows how much influence Cork fans and pundits have in picking these teams. Surprised Sean óg wasn't picked while they were at it.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1104 - 14/05/2020 17:47:12    2278158

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You could argue the case for Padraic Maher at 7, even ahead of JJ, but he got an unmerciful roasting at CB off Richie Hogan in the drawn '14 final. Hogan got MOTM, Maher just couldn't pin him down. Maher at CB is only a fraction of the player he is at LHB, where he's immense. Amazing how a defender's effectiveness can change so much just by being positioned 15/20 yards to the left or right. That's why I wince when I see full-backs being named at corner or centre-backs being named on the wing just to fit them onto All-Star teams and the like - it's such a cop-out.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1104 - 14/05/2020 18:05:21    2278161

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Replying To Oldertourman:  "You did not much of Corcoran from 92- 99, because Cork lost every match in that period except when they beat Limerick, in 98, only to be utterly steamrolled by the Banner the next day. Simple put, there was no place for Brian to show his skills in those years."
thats a good point but then,it begs an even bigger question of how he got into the team!

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3767 - 15/05/2020 15:46:33    2278250

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Replying To ballydalane:  "You could argue the case for Padraic Maher at 7, even ahead of JJ, but he got an unmerciful roasting at CB off Richie Hogan in the drawn '14 final. Hogan got MOTM, Maher just couldn't pin him down. Maher at CB is only a fraction of the player he is at LHB, where he's immense. Amazing how a defender's effectiveness can change so much just by being positioned 15/20 yards to the left or right. That's why I wince when I see full-backs being named at corner or centre-backs being named on the wing just to fit them onto All-Star teams and the like - it's such a cop-out."
I see your point but I'd disagree on 2014 and in general he has tied down the likes of Henry at his best while at number 6. I'd play him at 7 tho all day long. I 100% agree on that.
Similarly to JJ who conceded 0-5 and 2-0 from play in the 2014 two games - he actually still had a good game in my opinion.
You're correct though in that he plays looser in the centre back roll but the amount of ball he gets on shouldnt be underestimated either. That's my take on it anyway!

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2867 - 15/05/2020 23:15:00    2278317

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In relation to the team
1. Cummins isn't in the top 2 goalkeepers. Fitzhenry and Eoin Murphy are the best two to have ever played. Fitzhenry should have been selected for this in my view.

2. Corcoran another questionable pick.
3. Logan, was he a better full back than JJ Delaney or Noel Hickey or Daithi Burke? No he wasn't.
4. O Sullivan - picking him is just laughable.

5. Tommy Walsh - No argument, best of all time
6. Padraig Maher - No argument, Tipps best and most consistent player of the last 40 years.
7. Whelehan - No argument

8. Fennelly - No argument
9. Tommy Dunne - not so sure, depends on who doesn't make it in elsewhere. Ken McGrath, Tony Browne, David Burke, Noel McGrath, Derek Lyng I'd have ahead of him.

But really the choices made from 1-4 are very very questionable

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 222 - 17/05/2020 12:52:38    2278457

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I know TJ has already been left out but I'd have Himself, shefflin, DJ, Canning and Eoin Kelly as nailed for the forwards,Ken McGrath would have to be in the team too but could be picked nearly anywhere

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 2416 - 17/05/2020 13:48:01    2278471

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Replying To Onfor15:  "In relation to the team
1. Cummins isn't in the top 2 goalkeepers. Fitzhenry and Eoin Murphy are the best two to have ever played. Fitzhenry should have been selected for this in my view.

2. Corcoran another questionable pick.
3. Logan, was he a better full back than JJ Delaney or Noel Hickey or Daithi Burke? No he wasn't.
4. O Sullivan - picking him is just laughable.

5. Tommy Walsh - No argument, best of all time
6. Padraig Maher - No argument, Tipps best and most consistent player of the last 40 years.
7. Whelehan - No argument

8. Fennelly - No argument
9. Tommy Dunne - not so sure, depends on who doesn't make it in elsewhere. Ken McGrath, Tony Browne, David Burke, Noel McGrath, Derek Lyng I'd have ahead of him.

But really the choices made from 1-4 are very very questionable"
Yeah for me its Murphy in goal all day long, the full backline is open for debate, especially the rock.
Just swap out Tommy Dunne for Ken McGrath and then its a solid team.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 939 - 17/05/2020 14:03:45    2278476

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Replying To gatha:  "How about
E. Murphy
W. O'Connor N. Hickey J. Tyrell
T. Walsh G. Henderson JJ. Delaney
F. Cummins M. Fennelly
TJ. Reid J. Canning H. Shefflin
S. Callanan DJ. Carey E. Kelley"
I can't knock your picks.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1019 - 17/05/2020 23:40:51    2278544

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "So name me all the defenders that were better than J J Delaney?

"Delaney is widely regarded as one of the greatest players of all-time. In 2003 he won the first of six All-Star awards, while he also made a clean sweep of all the top individual awards, winning the All-Star, Texaco and GPA Hurler of the Year awards. Delaney was also chosen as one of the 125 greatest hurlers of all-time in a 2009 poll. That same year he was chosen on the Leinster team of the past twenty-five years." Wikipedia."
I wouldn't even try to name anyone better than any of the KK players as they achieved impossible results I'm just trying to justify the mindset of the selectors.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1019 - 17/05/2020 23:43:26    2278545

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Replying To ConnollyDub:  "How anyone could disagree with Cummins in goal is beyond me. The best keeper ive ever seen. Followed by Fitzhenry, and then maybe Murphy. Just my opinion"
I would say Fitzhenry and Murphy are the 2 best I have ever seen. Cummins was great but these 2 are brilliant. As of today I would take Fitzhenry.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 133 - 18/05/2020 11:47:06    2278585

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A nonsense exercise really.

You could pick a KK fifteen from 2000-2015 for a start, and it would be a serious savage starting point, as Cody might say! Then, add all of the other options into that mix, from FORTY years of action. The no5 slot alone is an indicator that this exercise has to fall on it's ass miserably, because you have to pick Tommy Walsh there, and you have to pick Brian Whelahan there also. Game over!

It wouldn't be hard to pick 4or5 teams of roughly the same standard 1979-2020, which is logical enough with 3or4 generations of quality players to choose from in the timespan under examination.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 2355 - 18/05/2020 12:48:54    2278592

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Replying To gatha:  "I would say Fitzhenry and Murphy are the 2 best I have ever seen. Cummins was great but these 2 are brilliant. As of today I would take Fitzhenry."
I'd like to add Ollie Walsh to the list of greatest goalkeepers over the last 60 years.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1044 - 18/05/2020 12:51:55    2278595

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Replying To Onfor15:  "In relation to the team
1. Cummins isn't in the top 2 goalkeepers. Fitzhenry and Eoin Murphy are the best two to have ever played. Fitzhenry should have been selected for this in my view.

2. Corcoran another questionable pick.
3. Logan, was he a better full back than JJ Delaney or Noel Hickey or Daithi Burke? No he wasn't.
4. O Sullivan - picking him is just laughable.

5. Tommy Walsh - No argument, best of all time
6. Padraig Maher - No argument, Tipps best and most consistent player of the last 40 years.
7. Whelehan - No argument

8. Fennelly - No argument
9. Tommy Dunne - not so sure, depends on who doesn't make it in elsewhere. Ken McGrath, Tony Browne, David Burke, Noel McGrath, Derek Lyng I'd have ahead of him.

But really the choices made from 1-4 are very very questionable"
Eoin Murphy probably gets it in goals for me - Fitzhenry definitely not.
Corcoran is a shocking pick, Lohan was an unreal hurler and should definitely be in the mix. O'Sullivan had big moments but was roasted on many an occasion - he should be nowhere near it.
Hard to disagree with the half back line but Seanie McMahon and Ciaran Carey could easily swap in at 6 instead of Maher. Carey could also be in at midfield - I wouldnt have Dunne near it.

McFan88 (Limerick) - Posts: 416 - 18/05/2020 16:41:52    2278620

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Replying To McFan88:  "Eoin Murphy probably gets it in goals for me - Fitzhenry definitely not.
Corcoran is a shocking pick, Lohan was an unreal hurler and should definitely be in the mix. O'Sullivan had big moments but was roasted on many an occasion - he should be nowhere near it.
Hard to disagree with the half back line but Seanie McMahon and Ciaran Carey could easily swap in at 6 instead of Maher. Carey could also be in at midfield - I wouldnt have Dunne near it."
I love seeing posts like this. Some people struggle badly to put their county rivalries aside. 4 time all star roasted on ultiple occasions and three time all star and hurler of the year not up to it. Good craic!

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2867 - 18/05/2020 18:32:11    2278624

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Replying To McFan88:  "Eoin Murphy probably gets it in goals for me - Fitzhenry definitely not.
Corcoran is a shocking pick, Lohan was an unreal hurler and should definitely be in the mix. O'Sullivan had big moments but was roasted on many an occasion - he should be nowhere near it.
Hard to disagree with the half back line but Seanie McMahon and Ciaran Carey could easily swap in at 6 instead of Maher. Carey could also be in at midfield - I wouldnt have Dunne near it."
To suggest that Tommy Dunne is nowhere near it is, I believe, very harsh and takes no account of the fact that he laboured for years with a below-par Tipperary team. His skill and first touch were second to none and he regularly knocked over points from long distance with just a flick of his wrists. He came very close to winning a Munster final for Tipp in 2000 after switching to full forward and scoring two fabulous late goals (against Diarmuid O'Sullivan). But his best displays were in midfield, especially in 2001 when he led an average enough Tipp team to League, Munster and All-Ireland titles. His early point in the final from under the Cusack Stand was as good as I've seen and he went on to give a man-of-the-match performance. No doubt there are several outstanding candidates for the midfield positions and everyone will have their own favourites but to dismiss Tommy Dunne completely from consideration is to ignore one of the finest exponents of hurling that I have seen in over 60 years of watching hurling games.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 199 - 18/05/2020 19:37:47    2278629

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Replying To Onfor15:  "In relation to the team
1. Cummins isn't in the top 2 goalkeepers. Fitzhenry and Eoin Murphy are the best two to have ever played. Fitzhenry should have been selected for this in my view.

2. Corcoran another questionable pick.
3. Logan, was he a better full back than JJ Delaney or Noel Hickey or Daithi Burke? No he wasn't.
4. O Sullivan - picking him is just laughable.

5. Tommy Walsh - No argument, best of all time
6. Padraig Maher - No argument, Tipps best and most consistent player of the last 40 years.
7. Whelehan - No argument

8. Fennelly - No argument
9. Tommy Dunne - not so sure, depends on who doesn't make it in elsewhere. Ken McGrath, Tony Browne, David Burke, Noel McGrath, Derek Lyng I'd have ahead of him.

But really the choices made from 1-4 are very very questionable"
Lohan is a better full back than the 3 you mentioned. You say no argument for number 6 but Seanie McMahan was a far better number 6 than P. Maher. P. Maher should be on the wing. I'd have T. Dunne in my team. I will agree with you on 2 and 4 though.

Dec82 (Clare) - Posts: 219 - 18/05/2020 21:27:19    2278647

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I'd have 11 players who couldn't be debated in my view, Ollie Canning, Tommy Walsh, JJ and Whelanan in defence. Shefflin, DJ, JJ, Canning and Eoin Kelly in attack, mick fennelly in midfield and Ken McGrath wherever he's needed.

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 2416 - 18/05/2020 22:01:23    2278653

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Replying To gatha:  "i would agree with you. Fitzhenry was brilliant he would be my 1st choice and Muphy would be 2nd. When Murphy is finished playing could possibly be the best."
To be fair I think Murphy within 3 seasons showed he is the best of all time. The others have pulled off some outstanding saves but when KK were at their weakest a couple of years ago, Murphy pulled off 2-3 in every game.
If KK had him 10/15 years ago I think they could have won 10 in a row, he's that good.
Almost all the rest have made a mistake or two - as brilliant as they all were.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2867 - 18/05/2020 22:08:54    2278654

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Replying To wexico15:  "I'd have 11 players who couldn't be debated in my view, Ollie Canning, Tommy Walsh, JJ and Whelanan in defence. Shefflin, DJ, JJ, Canning and Eoin Kelly in attack, mick fennelly in midfield and Ken McGrath wherever he's needed."
That should be TJ rather than JJ in attack

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 2416 - 18/05/2020 22:16:05    2278655

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