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The Corona Virus And Possible Effects To GAA Matches

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Replying To Fionn:  "Similar statistical comparisons should be released here also.

Definitely won't be getting any flu jab this year. ;o)"
Lol - that's what confuses me. On one hand the message is that this year more than any people should be getting the Flu jab yet going by official figures Flu deaths have only been in the hundreds this year compared to an average of around 17,000 over the last 5 years. Does not compute!

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4002 - 28/10/2020 11:57:46    2302417

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "A good news story which hasn't made the headlines for some reason but which surely augers well for the years ahead. While we have had all these Covid deaths in UK and Ireland we seem to have eradicated Flu and Pneumonia deaths in 2020 so if they can get this vaccine sorted for Covid then we are going to have a lot more people alive each year going forward.

Latest figures from the ONS for England and Wales have shown there are approx 37,000 less recorded deaths from Flu and Pneumonia in 2020 than previous years......:"
The flu is down because we are isolating. It will be straight back up when Covid is gone.

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1041 - 28/10/2020 12:01:45    2302419

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Replying To Breezy:  "The flu is down because we are isolating. It will be straight back up when Covid is gone."
Each to their own.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4002 - 28/10/2020 12:10:08    2302424

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "Lol - that's what confuses me. On one hand the message is that this year more than any people should be getting the Flu jab yet going by official figures Flu deaths have only been in the hundreds this year compared to an average of around 17,000 over the last 5 years. Does not compute!"
Actually it's fairly logical.

The flu symptoms are very similar to Covid and therefore if you have the flu you will end up getting tested for covid for no reason and all that goes with that. In addition people may when they have Covid just put it down to having the flu. They say it's possible to have the flu and Covid at the same time but I haven't seen any studies on this but that is most likely down to the fact that they first test for covid and unless that's negative they will not test for the flu.
There is no way there are thousands dying each year from the flu, I believe the estimate in Ireland is 200-500 per year. The flu has a vaccine, is less contagious and symptoms not as severe but it does kill the same people Covid would.
The reason it's down is because it's a virus that spreads in a similar matter to Covid and all the measures for covid would also stop the flu as well.

So yes get your jab and do your part

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 959 - 28/10/2020 12:33:32    2302443

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "People are just losing the run of themselves. I am a frontline healthcare worker exposed to the possibility of getting the virus every day but life must go on. I am neither for nor against the GAA championship going ahead but Nphet have allowed for it to occur. This latest thing of 13 Offaly players being deemed close contacts indicates that someone somewhere has changed the rules for GAA activity, possibly as a consequence of the irresponsible behaviour and bad publicity that occurred following some club finals. There may well be a certain amount of vengefulness involved in the decision."
Missed this first time round. Totally agree, numbers at minute are a reflection on schools. Closing businesses, people off work on skid row, having digs at GAA but packed schools back on Monday. Different schools on packed buses and masks won't help when the the buses are packed. Better one parent at home to look after children than both off and child at school.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 139 - 28/10/2020 13:00:24    2302458

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Replying To zinny:  "Actually it's fairly logical.

The flu symptoms are very similar to Covid and therefore if you have the flu you will end up getting tested for covid for no reason and all that goes with that. In addition people may when they have Covid just put it down to having the flu. They say it's possible to have the flu and Covid at the same time but I haven't seen any studies on this but that is most likely down to the fact that they first test for covid and unless that's negative they will not test for the flu.
There is no way there are thousands dying each year from the flu, I believe the estimate in Ireland is 200-500 per year. The flu has a vaccine, is less contagious and symptoms not as severe but it does kill the same people Covid would.
The reason it's down is because it's a virus that spreads in a similar matter to Covid and all the measures for covid would also stop the flu as well.

So yes get your jab and do your part"
The also say that there would be trace coronavirus if you tested for it every flu season. But as for the jab - I have never had it yet any year and this year will be no different. As I say, each to their own

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4002 - 28/10/2020 13:45:47    2302481

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "The also say that there would be trace coronavirus if you tested for it every flu season. But as for the jab - I have never had it yet any year and this year will be no different. As I say, each to their own"
Sorry but that is complete rubbish, there are idiots out there who put out the theory that the virus was always around and it was just never tested for - that's like saying the only reason the numbers of infected are going up is because we are testing - don't test and nobody has it. Its great that you can live in your own little bubble and will go through life never needing assistance from anyone else, the rest of us are just not that smart I guess.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 959 - 28/10/2020 16:45:22    2302561

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Be honest, is there anyone here that actually fears this virus?

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1348 - 28/10/2020 16:55:47    2302567

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Replying To zinny:  "Sorry but that is complete rubbish, there are idiots out there who put out the theory that the virus was always around and it was just never tested for - that's like saying the only reason the numbers of infected are going up is because we are testing - don't test and nobody has it. Its great that you can live in your own little bubble and will go through life never needing assistance from anyone else, the rest of us are just not that smart I guess."
And you have idiots who think this is the first Coronavirus too. I prefer to get past the headlines and look at actual data and facts as a whole to get a complete picture - this is not being dismissive but looking at the whole picture.

As for your other assertions/assumptions - eh????

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4002 - 28/10/2020 17:26:39    2302580

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "And you have idiots who think this is the first Coronavirus too. I prefer to get past the headlines and look at actual data and facts as a whole to get a complete picture - this is not being dismissive but looking at the whole picture.

As for your other assertions/assumptions - eh????"
Of course most people should know by now that Coronaviruses are a family of viruses that are known to cause illness - anything from the common cold, annoying & inconvenient but nothing more for most if us; to more severe diseases such as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) or the current Covid 19. The reality is that the scientific community have been baffled by this disease & are working around the clock to come up with both vaccines & treatment options so I really would love to hear your conclusions based on your data analysis, please share.

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 798 - 28/10/2020 19:58:45    2302624

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Replying To lilypad:  "Be honest, is there anyone here that actually fears this virus?"
I don't fear it but I do respect it. Why would I want to bring this into my wider extended family and possible have someone die from it. Young people in the main won't die from this but by ignoring it they are keeping Covid alive and increasing the risk of their elderly relatives dying from it.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 406 - 28/10/2020 20:59:49    2302657

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Replying To updwell:  "I don't fear it but I do respect it. Why would I want to bring this into my wider extended family and possible have someone die from it. Young people in the main won't die from this but by ignoring it they are keeping Covid alive and increasing the risk of their elderly relatives dying from it."
Thats fair enough boss

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7714 - 28/10/2020 22:03:42    2302676

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Hello everyone, the lockdown has squeezed me into submission. Hope everyone is keeping well. The virus is very worrying and please god it will go away.
Not sure what to make of the championship this year, it'll be strange to say the least.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7714 - 28/10/2020 22:19:41    2302679

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Replying To updwell:  "I don't fear it but I do respect it. Why would I want to bring this into my wider extended family and possible have someone die from it. Young people in the main won't die from this but by ignoring it they are keeping Covid alive and increasing the risk of their elderly relatives dying from it."
My wife had it a few months ago, but I never caught it, so I just don't know what to think.

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1348 - 28/10/2020 22:21:43    2302680

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Replying To realdub:  "Hello everyone, the lockdown has squeezed me into submission. Hope everyone is keeping well. The virus is very worrying and please god it will go away.
Not sure what to make of the championship this year, it'll be strange to say the least."
Great to see you back...!
Hope you have been keeping safe and well buddy.

It has been some year and still a long way to go unfortunately....

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3034 - 28/10/2020 23:20:27    2302699

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Replying To lilypad:  "My wife had it a few months ago, but I never caught it, so I just don't know what to think."
Sorry to hear that, hope all is ok now.

I know of a friend's work colleague who got it but so did all his family.

It is a strange one alright...

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3034 - 28/10/2020 23:24:18    2302700

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Replying To lilypad:  "My wife had it a few months ago, but I never caught it, so I just don't know what to think."
I know a woman in her 60s who died from it, fit and healthy looked after herself and no underlying conditions. Another man I know in his 50s was in ICU for a few days with it and now has problems with breathlessness and fatigue and he was healthy before it. I also know a lot of people who got over without a problem so there must be some common link in the most severe cases and in time hospitals will find this out. 12 months ago we hadn't even heard of this and we can see here in Ireland the difference in the death rate compared to 6 months ago as hospitals are learning to treat this better and give it another 6 months even without a vaccine the treatments will have improved again. There is definitely too much panic being created in the community mainly by the media and the way the numbers are being communicated each evening but until there is a better understanding of the disease it's better nor to get it.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 406 - 29/10/2020 09:30:59    2302733

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Replying To greysoil:  "Of course most people should know by now that Coronaviruses are a family of viruses that are known to cause illness - anything from the common cold, annoying & inconvenient but nothing more for most if us; to more severe diseases such as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) or the current Covid 19. The reality is that the scientific community have been baffled by this disease & are working around the clock to come up with both vaccines & treatment options so I really would love to hear your conclusions based on your data analysis, please share."
My conclusion? I don't have a conclusion yet - unlike a lot it seems I am pretty open minded on the whole Covid whereas others seem to have their mind made up already that we are either all doomed or that the whole thing is a con. When the 2020 figures have all been collated and published it will give a truer picture of it all.

I have been working at home since March, I have observed all the rules laid out, I wear my mask the odd time I venture in to the shop, sanitize the hands on the way in, maintain my distance etc etc etc. But as I say, I also get beyond the hysteria and the headlines and look at the real data to try and make an informed decision as to how damaging the virus is in regard to deaths (month to month, year on year and 5 year averages), the economy, the mental well being of society etc.

What I have noticed though throughout is that it is people like yourself who have their minds made up already that tend to be the most vocal/aggressive in shouting anyone down who has a different stance or who may look at figures and question the narrative or the measures being enforced to combat it.


The reality is none of us know so how can any of us be in a position where we are telling others they are wrong.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4002 - 29/10/2020 11:25:14    2302768

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "A good news story which hasn't made the headlines for some reason but which surely augers well for the years ahead. While we have had all these Covid deaths in UK and Ireland we seem to have eradicated Flu and Pneumonia deaths in 2020 so if they can get this vaccine sorted for Covid then we are going to have a lot more people alive each year going forward.

Latest figures from the ONS for England and Wales have shown there are approx 37,000 less recorded deaths from Flu and Pneumonia in 2020 than previous years......:"
Certainly is a good news story and Corvid has played a big part in this, people isolating, washing hands and wearing masks has played a big part in keeping flu numbers down, also many more have gotten the Viral Pneumonia vaccination (myself included).

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1398 - 29/10/2020 18:32:00    2302920

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Replying To Fionn:  "Sorry to hear that, hope all is ok now.

I know of a friend's work colleague who got it but so did all his family.

It is a strange one alright..."
Thank you sir, we are both very well.

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1348 - 29/10/2020 20:12:32    2302951

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