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25 goals and 297 points in just over 50 games. It's a wonder every county doesn't have someone to kick the 20 metre frees.
MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 420 - 31/12/2019 13:19:14 2256632 Link 2 |
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No they didn't; and you're not comparing like with like. In 03, Kerry were basically caught napping / ambushed. That's not the same as not showing up. 05 and 08 were mighty battles between two good teams with not much in it in the end. To say that Kerry didn't show up in those games is nonsense; we're you even at those games? And Tyrone in the first half of the teens were very poor. I'd not hand out too many plaudits for beating Tyrone this previous decade. They improved a bit from 2015 on, but still in my view short one or two quality players to be serious contenders. (Star had the Gooch as a great double-act in the forwards, McShane has nobody).
essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 31/12/2019 13:27:53 2256634 Link 3 |
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Gooch would be my first name on the teamsheet for the previous decade, but I don't think he did enough in this decade to be selected. He didn't play a single minute of 2014 when Kerry won the All-Ireland, and he was a shadow of the player he used to be in the following 2 years, before he retired. Brogan and McManus would be the nailed on inside forwards for me. Bernard performed exceptionally on the big days. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2042 - 31/12/2019 13:48:14 2256637 Link 0 |
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There's no fear of that happening. Kerry are a certainty for the All Ireland next year. You should put your 20 euro on them now Tom. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 31/12/2019 16:55:13 2256662 Link 1 |
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Overrated, yeah maybe but the free takers always go under the radar in big debates like these. Personally wouldn't have either in there but also probably 2 of the first names I would say are unlucky to miss out, yeah they take frees but they are both masters of their trade and for me 2 of the most intelligent forwards there is at the moment.
boman11 (Antrim) - Posts: 237 - 01/01/2020 12:04:23 2256721 Link 0 |
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What has he scored from play?
superdub (Dublin) - Posts: 392 - 01/01/2020 17:13:06 2256751 Link 0 |
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Why are you asking yourself? Forget what username you were logged into?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 02/01/2020 08:34:22 2256793 Link 3 |
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About a third from play. He didn't even get to play against New York last year or London in 2016 to boost his numbers. MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 420 - 02/01/2020 09:15:57 2256796 Link 0 |
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do you're maths then. fairly average and nothing near a team of the decade forward. one footed player who has no back bone and has missed some crucial frees. you know the ones I'm talking about.
superdub (Dublin) - Posts: 392 - 02/01/2020 15:58:51 2256924 Link 0 |
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Ha ha you've nabbed him there.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 02/01/2020 17:25:52 2256940 Link 3 |
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I would say A lot more than Rock
GreenAndGold74 (Kerry) - Posts: 194 - 02/01/2020 18:16:45 2256951 Link 4 |
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Rock Over-rated?? Come off it man...if anything he's one of the most under-rated players out there. When it really matters, he always shows up, on the biggest of days. Arguably Dublin's most influential player in finals ever. Here's his record in finals during our 5 in a row: 2015: 2pts from frees 2016: 4pts (1 from PLAY) 2016 Replay: 9pts (2 from PLAY) 2017: 7pts (4 from PLAY) 2018: 7pts (4 from PLAY) 2019: 10pts (4 from PLAY) 2019 Replay: 3pts (2 from PLAY) ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 03/01/2020 11:31:35 2257059 Link 4 |
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Maybe so but when the real pressure comes on who would the neutrals want to be standing over a late free? Mmmmm
superdub (Dublin) - Posts: 392 - 03/01/2020 23:02:57 2257216 Link 1 |
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By far the most under rated player playing at min. Never seen him fail to deliver yet
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 04/01/2020 00:14:54 2257224 Link 4 |
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The bulk of his goals have been from play... some pens in there for sure, but he's always had a healthy goal rate from play. I know a fair few Dubs don't like him because he's always given as good as got from the likes of Philly and Johnny, but for most non-Dubs that isn't a negative. My only gripe with him is that he hasn't pace to burn, not helped by injuries, and this lessens his chances from play. Dean Rock has the same issue which is why JG went with other options in many games this year. Cillian's still just 27 and if he stays fit he should hit peak effectiveness for the next few years.
Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 06/01/2020 11:48:34 2257708 Link 1 |
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the reason why nearly all dubs hate him is because of his constant running to the ref at every chance looking for cards/sending offs etc and when someone puts it up to him he seems to disappear behind his team mates and wont back up his cowardly carry on. lads like keegan,boyle,higgins can give it and take it and I have nothing but respect for those lads but unfortunately cillian O'Connor is nothing compared to those lads.
superdub (Dublin) - Posts: 392 - 06/01/2020 12:04:58 2257713 Link 1 |
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I'd agree with you, I think O'Connor is a little under rated from play. I think you're right in that he has a streak which means he gets under the skin of a lot of people. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 06/01/2020 12:05:53 2257714 Link 5 |
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Several Dublin players are in the Ref's ear any chance they get. Gooch was notorious for it as well as Paul Geaney these days. It's annoying to watch but Cillian is far from the only one at it. Take away the frees and Cillian still has a very good scoring record. He only has 1 all star award so I don't see how he could be regarded as overrated.
MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 420 - 06/01/2020 13:18:08 2257739 Link 0 |
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I was really just confirming the facts superdub in the light of your question about his scoring. We'll have to agree to disagree on Cillian otherwise... you see him through one set of lenses and I see him through my own. It's a bit like Johnny Magee's remarks in the wake of the semi-final result this year.... they gave me the only satisfaction I got because the result seemed to matter so much to him! Calling Cillian a coward is a bit personal though and gamesmanship certainly is something he can't be accused of monopolising - it's unfortunately rife in the game, as it is in many others.
Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 06/01/2020 14:45:28 2257762 Link 0 |
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I'd say Kerry's Sean O'Shea has a fair chance of overtaking him eventually Mes... just 21 and his haul this year was pretty phenomenal. Won't happen in a hurry though!
Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 06/01/2020 15:01:08 2257765 Link 0 |