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There is a top class management team in place so I think come championship if we will end up with the best panel available to us.

I would be surprised if there isnt a lot of the players on the panel who are the full age. The U-17 team from 3 years ago was actually quite strong but underachieved for a number of reasons including injuries to key players, the same team steam rolled most teams at U-16 level the previous year and easily won the Gerry Reilly tournament.

There is a very thin line between success and failure, just because a certain group doesn't prosper at minor U-17 level it shouldn't mean that there is automatically whole sale changes at U-20 level. At the end of the day this would be a big step up for any lad that played on the successful minor team last year, as they have very limited experience of adult football yet, so I would expect the panel to be made up primarily of lads who are 19 and 20 and only a handful of 18 year olds.

It would be a massive boost to the county if we could move forward from our recent minor successes and start performing at U-20 level, it has been a disaster in recent years.

Thunderstruck (Meath) - Posts: 469 - 24/03/2022 14:58:41    2406864

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Replying To Thunderstruck:  "There is a top class management team in place so I think come championship if we will end up with the best panel available to us.

I would be surprised if there isnt a lot of the players on the panel who are the full age. The U-17 team from 3 years ago was actually quite strong but underachieved for a number of reasons including injuries to key players, the same team steam rolled most teams at U-16 level the previous year and easily won the Gerry Reilly tournament.

There is a very thin line between success and failure, just because a certain group doesn't prosper at minor U-17 level it shouldn't mean that there is automatically whole sale changes at U-20 level. At the end of the day this would be a big step up for any lad that played on the successful minor team last year, as they have very limited experience of adult football yet, so I would expect the panel to be made up primarily of lads who are 19 and 20 and only a handful of 18 year olds.

It would be a massive boost to the county if we could move forward from our recent minor successes and start performing at U-20 level, it has been a disaster in recent years."
Who will be the full age starters. I'd say McCarrick, Oisin Martin, Josh Carolan, Chinchilla (don't know what the story was he played no league games but if he's on the panel and fit he's a starter for me), Moriarty and one of Daragh Reilly/Niall Finnerty/Barry Thompson start. That'd be 6 full age. I think Billy Hogan, Caulfield, Gray, Frayne definitely start, they're 1 year younger and then Liam Kelly and Sean Emmanuel definitely start who are 2 years younger. So I'd say that probably half the team will be full age. The gap from league to championship is a long way. I haven't heard great things about the camp and how things are going. But there are some extremely talented players there and I really hope they can show their best hand for championship because we've had enough bad showings at this age

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 24/03/2022 16:17:57    2406892

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Who will be the full age starters. I'd say McCarrick, Oisin Martin, Josh Carolan, Chinchilla (don't know what the story was he played no league games but if he's on the panel and fit he's a starter for me), Moriarty and one of Daragh Reilly/Niall Finnerty/Barry Thompson start. That'd be 6 full age. I think Billy Hogan, Caulfield, Gray, Frayne definitely start, they're 1 year younger and then Liam Kelly and Sean Emmanuel definitely start who are 2 years younger. So I'd say that probably half the team will be full age. The gap from league to championship is a long way. I haven't heard great things about the camp and how things are going. But there are some extremely talented players there and I really hope they can show their best hand for championship because we've had enough bad showings at this age"
I would say you are fairly close with that team and I think the two 18 years old you mentioned are certainties.
I assume Bell is a starter if fit, Pearse Sheridan started last year so I assume he will be in the mix again this year, Shane Smith has been on the panel for the last 2 years and Endi Ehichoya should be a genuine option around mid-field too so overall there should be a healthy mix of age groups.

Thunderstruck (Meath) - Posts: 469 - 25/03/2022 11:18:36    2406993

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9 Days away any thoughts on starting team?

Head4BlackSpot1990 (Donegal) - Posts: 24 - 05/04/2022 15:08:57    2409789

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Replying To Head4BlackSpot1990:  "9 Days away any thoughts on starting team?"
There aren't great rumours about the camp and results in the league were bad (these are probably linked) and the team is a bit unsettled I think. My guess at what management might pick.

1. B Hogan
2. McCarrick
3. Kelly
4. Ben Donnelly
5. Caulfield
6. Josh Carolan (Aaron Chinchilla if he's on the panel)
7. Mark Coffey
8. Conor Gray
9. Jamie Browne
10. Jack Kinlough
11. Sean Emmanuel
12. Oisin Martin
13. Darragh Reilly (David Bell if fit)
14. Eoghan Frayne
15. Diarmuid Moriarty.

I think 1,2,3,5,7,8,11,14 and 15 are guaranteed starters at some position. Then the other 6 players I could see starting or not. There are good talents there but the team might be a bit top heavy.

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 05/04/2022 19:04:15    2409861

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "There aren't great rumours about the camp and results in the league were bad (these are probably linked) and the team is a bit unsettled I think. My guess at what management might pick.

1. B Hogan
2. McCarrick
3. Kelly
4. Ben Donnelly
5. Caulfield
6. Josh Carolan (Aaron Chinchilla if he's on the panel)
7. Mark Coffey
8. Conor Gray
9. Jamie Browne
10. Jack Kinlough
11. Sean Emmanuel
12. Oisin Martin
13. Darragh Reilly (David Bell if fit)
14. Eoghan Frayne
15. Diarmuid Moriarty.

I think 1,2,3,5,7,8,11,14 and 15 are guaranteed starters at some position. Then the other 6 players I could see starting or not. There are good talents there but the team might be a bit top heavy."
What Rumors?

Meath32245 (Meath) - Posts: 75 - 06/04/2022 16:39:24    2410006

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Replying To Meath32245:  "What Rumors?"
Just that we lost challenge games off the back of the 3 losses in the league and I think somebody had said on this forum that some players aren't happy without game time. I think there's probably been a cutting of the panel to some degree and hopefully we can put our best foot forward next week and hopefully beyond

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 06/04/2022 17:34:08    2410017

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Just that we lost challenge games off the back of the 3 losses in the league and I think somebody had said on this forum that some players aren't happy without game time. I think there's probably been a cutting of the panel to some degree and hopefully we can put our best foot forward next week and hopefully beyond"
Jeez if that's true are we about to waste another minor winning team from the county? Or i think this team was the one that didn't win a Leinster but there's still plenty of talent and is Joh Mccarthy not over them since minor, or is that next years team?

LR think your team has Kelly, Emmanuel and Kinlough from last years minors, I'd really start worrying that these players will be burnt out before they even get to senior football.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 07/04/2022 10:32:42    2410080

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Replying To brian:  "Jeez if that's true are we about to waste another minor winning team from the county? Or i think this team was the one that didn't win a Leinster but there's still plenty of talent and is Joh Mccarthy not over them since minor, or is that next years team?

LR think your team has Kelly, Emmanuel and Kinlough from last years minors, I'd really start worrying that these players will be burnt out before they even get to senior football."
I think there are plenty of examples of players who would have played under 20 after minor and still went on to be big senior successes. I think the split season will give more of an off season that will help with burn out. And right now it's either they play championship football at under 20's or most likely they'd be playing league football with their club. So I take your point but if a player is good enough I think you'd have to pick him

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 07/04/2022 11:48:55    2410104

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The game next week has been moved from Thursday the 14th to Saturday the 16th (much to my annoyance and I won't get to watch it). It's Longford away which will be no easy task. We've lost their with a fancied minor team in 2015, minors this year and seniors in 18 and I can't remember us winning there. And they beat Wexford by 11 last night and that competitive game should help them. We will be favourites but a potential banana skin

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 07/04/2022 11:51:28    2410105

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "The game next week has been moved from Thursday the 14th to Saturday the 16th (much to my annoyance and I won't get to watch it). It's Longford away which will be no easy task. We've lost their with a fancied minor team in 2015, minors this year and seniors in 18 and I can't remember us winning there. And they beat Wexford by 11 last night and that competitive game should help them. We will be favourites but a potential banana skin"
Won't be an easy task… our lads haven't played since paddy's weekend where they played derry I believe…that's a long time without a game especially when longford played competitive football last night

Meath112233 (Meath) - Posts: 38 - 07/04/2022 13:29:45    2410137

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "There aren't great rumours about the camp and results in the league were bad (these are probably linked) and the team is a bit unsettled I think. My guess at what management might pick.

1. B Hogan
2. McCarrick
3. Kelly
4. Ben Donnelly
5. Caulfield
6. Josh Carolan (Aaron Chinchilla if he's on the panel)
7. Mark Coffey
8. Conor Gray
9. Jamie Browne
10. Jack Kinlough
11. Sean Emmanuel
12. Oisin Martin
13. Darragh Reilly (David Bell if fit)
14. Eoghan Frayne
15. Diarmuid Moriarty.

I think 1,2,3,5,7,8,11,14 and 15 are guaranteed starters at some position. Then the other 6 players I could see starting or not. There are good talents there but the team might be a bit top heavy."
Up until the Dublin game, I would have agreed with you about a good few of your certainties (Disagreed with some too),
but in reality the form from most of them of late has been in general poor, I am not saying John McCarthy won't start most of them (as he would have a history of loyalty to players) but it's a long time since really all of your certainties played well and based what I have seen if I was McCarthy I would be letting them all know in no uncertain terms, unless they step up there is none of them guaranteed a place regardless of how many All-Ireland or Leinster medals they have in their **** pocket. The reality as of now any of 26 could make the starting 15. The big problem for the management is do they go for players who they do they know have proven great ability or players in form? I would imagine he will stick with the big guns and hope they come real good on the day.
Undoubtedly the talent is there and they will have learned a lot from their last few outings and hopefully it all comes good on Saturday and they go on a good winning run.

Meathball (Meath) - Posts: 140 - 11/04/2022 11:05:48    2410500

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "There aren't great rumours about the camp and results in the league were bad (these are probably linked) and the team is a bit unsettled I think. My guess at what management might pick.

1. B Hogan
2. McCarrick
3. Kelly
4. Ben Donnelly
5. Caulfield
6. Josh Carolan (Aaron Chinchilla if he's on the panel)
7. Mark Coffey
8. Conor Gray
9. Jamie Browne
10. Jack Kinlough
11. Sean Emmanuel
12. Oisin Martin
13. Darragh Reilly (David Bell if fit)
14. Eoghan Frayne
15. Diarmuid Moriarty.

I think 1,2,3,5,7,8,11,14 and 15 are guaranteed starters at some position. Then the other 6 players I could see starting or not. There are good talents there but the team might be a bit top heavy."
Fairly decent side , and should do well , , would put Emmanuel to midfield instead of Gray, Put martyn at centre Forward and Bring in Adam McDonnell on the wing

Bear10 (Meath) - Posts: 463 - 11/04/2022 12:57:39    2410524

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Dramatic finish to this one. It looked like we were dead and buried when Longford got the penalty near the end. Huge stroke of luck when they hit the post. Longford to their credit did not give up and went ahead before Sheridan's crucial levelling point and the winner from Darragh Reilly.

We'll take that. Does anyone know much about this Dublin team?

stillaroyal (Meath) - Posts: 225 - 16/04/2022 18:59:23    2411167

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Very very lucky yesterday Poor Dublin team next but another performance like that will put us out. Our 'big' players were anonymous. Finnerty, Kinsella and a hard working Smyth put us ahead against a big breeze and we should have kicked on. Lost midfield. FF and CF were noticeably absent. A height mismatch with their top scorer was left untouched through the game. No kickout plan. On the positive two of the three subs provided the winning scores but hard to understand how Bell and McDonagh are sitting outside the panel.
Half back line was pretty good but struggled with their 10 and 11 who were good ball carriersThey should beat Dublin not so sure after that.

ABK67 (Meath) - Posts: 62 - 17/04/2022 16:47:20    2411347

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Replying To stillaroyal:  "Dramatic finish to this one. It looked like we were dead and buried when Longford got the penalty near the end. Huge stroke of luck when they hit the post. Longford to their credit did not give up and went ahead before Sheridan's crucial levelling point and the winner from Darragh Reilly.

We'll take that. Does anyone know much about this Dublin team?"
Pretty strong dublin team but certainly not unbeatable. They like to play a running game as they do have a lot of fast players. Saw them play a challenge match against meath earlier this year. They won that game by a few points but meath easily could have won it.

redser123 (Meath) - Posts: 404 - 17/04/2022 18:32:50    2411381

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Is Oisin Martin injured, he was one of the best performing forwards on the Tones team last year. Big,strong and has great hands, works hard and can score. Surely he should be on this team.

latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 17/04/2022 19:58:03    2411410

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Replying To latouche25:  "Is Oisin Martin injured, he was one of the best performing forwards on the Tones team last year. Big,strong and has great hands, works hard and can score. Surely he should be on this team."
He must be injured. He played a development league game and is still listed on the extended panel. Same with David Bell and Aaron Chinchilla they were on the extended panel but not in the 24.

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 19/04/2022 10:43:01    2411494

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Replying To ABK67:  "Very very lucky yesterday Poor Dublin team next but another performance like that will put us out. Our 'big' players were anonymous. Finnerty, Kinsella and a hard working Smyth put us ahead against a big breeze and we should have kicked on. Lost midfield. FF and CF were noticeably absent. A height mismatch with their top scorer was left untouched through the game. No kickout plan. On the positive two of the three subs provided the winning scores but hard to understand how Bell and McDonagh are sitting outside the panel.
Half back line was pretty good but struggled with their 10 and 11 who were good ball carriersThey should beat Dublin not so sure after that."
came away from Longford with more questions than answers...that said, perhaps attitude was wrong, or perhaps this group is feeling some pressure, but Longford deserved that game.,

Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 401 - 19/04/2022 11:23:54    2411515

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It's a massive game tomorrow and a massive chance to turn the tide at this age group. Performances have not been great so far but Dublin's first round wasn't great either and their team isn't particularly great (none of them have Leinster minor medals). Parnell Park hasn't been a happy hunting ground, I'm especially reminded of the under 20 2 years ago where we had an extremely talented team with 8 current senior panelist's (7 playing and Shane Walsh who was injured) well as Aaron Lynch and Luke Mitchell in attack and we got an absolute thumping and lost by 13. The management situation for this team was a lot more stable than it was for the 2020 team but they results haven't been much better so far. It will be incredibly deflating if it is another bad performance and we crash out. The talent is there but that's no use unless they show it. I couldn't make it to the Longford game but from what I heard we'll need to be much improved at midfield and Frayne and Moriarty will need to be a lot better. We shouldn't fear this Dubs team but it will take a much improvement performance to beat them

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 20/04/2022 12:01:43    2411762

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