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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Would share similar feelings I think. The team seems to be very disjointed, but championship isn't until April so still plenty of time to get it sorted. I think Billy Hogan, Liam Kelly, Sean Emmanuel, Conor Gray, Eoghan Frayne and Diarmuid Moriarty are all nailed on starters and all serious prospects. But after that I don't actually think anybody else is nailed on to start and the team seems a bit unsettled as a result. I don't want to be too critical because it's a development league and the panel still hasn't been cut down yet. But with the talent this team has anything less than a Leinster title would have to be considered a failure and we're a good bit off that level for now but we have a month to set that right"
Was at game yesterday , some decent players, think Emmanuel has to play midfield as both midfielders yesterday were poor enough dropping a lot , Frayne our best forward with moriarty has potential, one of our corner backs very good , dunshaughlin lad, and liam Kelly has some promise, our forwards are all light and similiar , pluck played well and hard on him if dropped, Laois were ordinary side with bigger tests to come for this meath team but should improve

Bear10 (Meath) - Posts: 463 - 27/02/2022 20:50:52    2402833

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Replying To Bear10:  "Was at game yesterday , some decent players, think Emmanuel has to play midfield as both midfielders yesterday were poor enough dropping a lot , Frayne our best forward with moriarty has potential, one of our corner backs very good , dunshaughlin lad, and liam Kelly has some promise, our forwards are all light and similiar , pluck played well and hard on him if dropped, Laois were ordinary side with bigger tests to come for this meath team but should improve"
ho many players who played on saturday are u20 again next year...anyone a rough idea ?

Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 401 - 28/02/2022 12:49:10    2402947

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Replying To Thelongwoodslasher:  "ho many players who played on saturday are u20 again next year...anyone a rough idea ?"
10 of the starting fifteen on Saturday and also two of the four subs that came on are eligible to play in 2023

Meathball (Meath) - Posts: 140 - 28/02/2022 13:41:12    2402966

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Replying To Thelongwoodslasher:  "ho many players who played on saturday are u20 again next year...anyone a rough idea ?"
would say quite a few , they seemed young overall and made a lot of underage mistakes but surely their must be guys at the right age in the county that would have played adult senior . Think we should be looking at current year not next year

Bear10 (Meath) - Posts: 463 - 28/02/2022 13:51:42    2402972

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Replying To Meathball:  "10 of the starting fifteen on Saturday and also two of the four subs that came on are eligible to play in 2023"
so many reasons as to whey this is wrong...other than trying to get the "best" team out on the field . can anyone give me any other positive reasons as to why less 1/3rds of those playing saturday are actually off this age group? .

Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 401 - 28/02/2022 14:12:28    2402986

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Replying To Thelongwoodslasher:  "so many reasons as to whey this is wrong...other than trying to get the "best" team out on the field . can anyone give me any other positive reasons as to why less 1/3rds of those playing saturday are actually off this age group? ."
think the management going with previous set ups and winning side which is fair enough but some of these younger lads not developed yet for this level , it is a big ask for them as a lot of them have not played at adult level long enough

not sure if there were trials done

Bear10 (Meath) - Posts: 463 - 28/02/2022 15:25:17    2403016

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Replying To Thelongwoodslasher:  "so many reasons as to whey this is wrong...other than trying to get the "best" team out on the field . can anyone give me any other positive reasons as to why less 1/3rds of those playing saturday are actually off this age group? ."
This is an under 20 development league but to be fair to the management, if the players born in 2002 (Older) are not there, what are they to do? Of the five of those 2002 born lads who started on Saturday, you could only really say two of them would be definite's in the starting 15 for championship. Another 2002 David Bell who is injured, if fit would also be a definite starter, another 2002 born, Oisin Martin who is also injured would also be in line for a starting position if fit.
One poster mentioned underage mistakes (made by younger players) on Saturday but they weren't confined to the younger players, four of the five 2002 born players made so called underage mistakes. The only player who I don't recall of the 2002 born players not putting a foot wrong was McCarrick.
The management even brought on a new 2002 born player on Saturday (Kevin Cully) who I hadn't seen before in the under 20 set up, showing that they are really trying to find guys of that age.
I think come championship the management have to put out the best 15 players regardless of age and at this moment in time it is highly unlikely it will be anymore than six 2002 born as it appears there was just a lack of good football babies born in Meath in 2002.
A lot of the players mentioned on here as playing well on Saturday were actually 2004 born players, Liam Kelly, Sean Emmanuel, etc.
So are the management suppose to ignore their good form and favour a 2002 player who may not be as good ? Do we want to bring in Go Games rules for the under 20 championship?

Meathball (Meath) - Posts: 140 - 28/02/2022 19:27:49    2403112

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Replying To Meathball:  "This is an under 20 development league but to be fair to the management, if the players born in 2002 (Older) are not there, what are they to do? Of the five of those 2002 born lads who started on Saturday, you could only really say two of them would be definite's in the starting 15 for championship. Another 2002 David Bell who is injured, if fit would also be a definite starter, another 2002 born, Oisin Martin who is also injured would also be in line for a starting position if fit.
One poster mentioned underage mistakes (made by younger players) on Saturday but they weren't confined to the younger players, four of the five 2002 born players made so called underage mistakes. The only player who I don't recall of the 2002 born players not putting a foot wrong was McCarrick.
The management even brought on a new 2002 born player on Saturday (Kevin Cully) who I hadn't seen before in the under 20 set up, showing that they are really trying to find guys of that age.
I think come championship the management have to put out the best 15 players regardless of age and at this moment in time it is highly unlikely it will be anymore than six 2002 born as it appears there was just a lack of good football babies born in Meath in 2002.
A lot of the players mentioned on here as playing well on Saturday were actually 2004 born players, Liam Kelly, Sean Emmanuel, etc.
So are the management suppose to ignore their good form and favour a 2002 player who may not be as good ? Do we want to bring in Go Games rules for the under 20 championship?"
Yeah I think you just have to play your best players. And I think Kelly, Emmanuel, Gray, Hogan, Frayne and Caulfield when he's back are all nailed on starters and not 02. Moriarty our best player so far, Bell and Oisin Martin probably nailed on if they get back. McCarrick is doing decent so he'll probably start. But you can't just play worse lads because they are older. They have to earn their spots. One full age guy I haven't seen and don't know what the story is is Aaron Chincilla. I'd definitely have him starting. Assuming he is involved, I think come championship the team will probably be 7 full age lads (McCarrick, Chinchilla, Carolan, Jamie Brown, Moriarty, Martin and Bell) will start, 4 03's will definitely start (Hogan, Caulfield, Gray, Frayne) and 2 04's will definitely start (Emmanuel and Kelly). This leaves a corner back spot and probably a wing back/wing forward spot open and I don't know who'll play there. Having said that the managements selection could be completely different because the team hasn't looked anything like that so far

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 01/03/2022 11:11:12    2403191

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Replying To Meathball:  "This is an under 20 development league but to be fair to the management, if the players born in 2002 (Older) are not there, what are they to do? Of the five of those 2002 born lads who started on Saturday, you could only really say two of them would be definite's in the starting 15 for championship. Another 2002 David Bell who is injured, if fit would also be a definite starter, another 2002 born, Oisin Martin who is also injured would also be in line for a starting position if fit.
One poster mentioned underage mistakes (made by younger players) on Saturday but they weren't confined to the younger players, four of the five 2002 born players made so called underage mistakes. The only player who I don't recall of the 2002 born players not putting a foot wrong was McCarrick.
The management even brought on a new 2002 born player on Saturday (Kevin Cully) who I hadn't seen before in the under 20 set up, showing that they are really trying to find guys of that age.
I think come championship the management have to put out the best 15 players regardless of age and at this moment in time it is highly unlikely it will be anymore than six 2002 born as it appears there was just a lack of good football babies born in Meath in 2002.
A lot of the players mentioned on here as playing well on Saturday were actually 2004 born players, Liam Kelly, Sean Emmanuel, etc.
So are the management suppose to ignore their good form and favour a 2002 player who may not be as good ? Do we want to bring in Go Games rules for the under 20 championship?"
your opening line is the issue..."this is an under 20 development league.....If the players born in 2002 are not there ...what are they to do".....do you not see the contradiction in that statement

Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 401 - 01/03/2022 11:14:03    2403192

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Replying To Thelongwoodslasher:  "your opening line is the issue..."this is an under 20 development league.....If the players born in 2002 are not there ...what are they to do".....do you not see the contradiction in that statement"
Can you name the full age players who should be there? I can't think of too many. Niall Finnerty and Barry Thompson maybe but they played the first game and didn't play well. And that's one area where there are full age players already there (Moriarty and Bell when he gets back). Who are the full age players that you'd be playing?

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 01/03/2022 11:53:14    2403205

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Can you name the full age players who should be there? I can't think of too many. Niall Finnerty and Barry Thompson maybe but they played the first game and didn't play well. And that's one area where there are full age players already there (Moriarty and Bell when he gets back). Who are the full age players that you'd be playing?"
no clue....and thats a fact....but i do know we togged out a full minor panel of players at this age (2002)
this is the same old bull**** , we are suffering from for years...and this argument is directly connected to senior team as well..where managers from MoD to Andy Mc..bring is Young lads straight out of minor ....as the NEXT saviour of meath football.....and within 2-3 years...they are done...for whateveer reason ...injury, exchaustion, disulliosnment , whatever
There is a very strong argument that the successful minors of 2021 shoudl not be asked to re-engage in competitive County football till next year...let them do their leaving certs, or enjoy their TY...go back to their clubs...refresh...ready to go again hard in 2023

Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 401 - 01/03/2022 12:40:34    2403222

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Replying To Thelongwoodslasher:  "so many reasons as to whey this is wrong...other than trying to get the "best" team out on the field . can anyone give me any other positive reasons as to why less 1/3rds of those playing saturday are actually off this age group? ."
Because players who played minor up until now simply went back to clubs and were left to their own devices with no work done at county level until two and half years later. Thankfully this has been addressed going forward, the current management are duty bound to put out the best team available to them regardless of age

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1489 - 01/03/2022 14:57:00    2403267

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Replying To Analyst:  "Because players who played minor up until now simply went back to clubs and were left to their own devices with no work done at county level until two and half years later. Thankfully this has been addressed going forward, the current management are duty bound to put out the best team available to them regardless of age"
apologies analyst...replied earlier...but used a few expletives ..so id say its blocked

Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 401 - 01/03/2022 18:19:48    2403309

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Replying To Thelongwoodslasher:  "no clue....and thats a fact....but i do know we togged out a full minor panel of players at this age (2002)
this is the same old bull**** , we are suffering from for years...and this argument is directly connected to senior team as well..where managers from MoD to Andy Mc..bring is Young lads straight out of minor ....as the NEXT saviour of meath football.....and within 2-3 years...they are done...for whateveer reason ...injury, exchaustion, disulliosnment , whatever
There is a very strong argument that the successful minors of 2021 shoudl not be asked to re-engage in competitive County football till next year...let them do their leaving certs, or enjoy their TY...go back to their clubs...refresh...ready to go again hard in 2023"
This was literally the issue that we are trying to solve by having a 20's development panel with Cathal O'Bric. If good minors player are let go to their clubs at 17, with a few exceptions they'll get passed out by players from other counties because our clubs are not at a good enough level to keep players at elite level. Also the management have been very good easing guys like Caulfield and Jamie Brown into it who had long club and colleges runs. And there are no under 20's on the senior panel this year. And there are plenty of the 2021 minors who haven't played as I'm assuming it's deemed they need a bit more developing. In an ideal world we would have a team dominated by full age players, but those players aren't of a level to be starters on this team. And I'm sure that these young lads would much rather play county with their friends and play big championship games rather than go back and slog with their clubs and play some Feis cup and league games. I think your point is linked to burn out but it doesn't fit the scenario of this year at all

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 02/03/2022 09:20:45    2403366

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "This was literally the issue that we are trying to solve by having a 20's development panel with Cathal O'Bric. If good minors player are let go to their clubs at 17, with a few exceptions they'll get passed out by players from other counties because our clubs are not at a good enough level to keep players at elite level. Also the management have been very good easing guys like Caulfield and Jamie Brown into it who had long club and colleges runs. And there are no under 20's on the senior panel this year. And there are plenty of the 2021 minors who haven't played as I'm assuming it's deemed they need a bit more developing. In an ideal world we would have a team dominated by full age players, but those players aren't of a level to be starters on this team. And I'm sure that these young lads would much rather play county with their friends and play big championship games rather than go back and slog with their clubs and play some Feis cup and league games. I think your point is linked to burn out but it doesn't fit the scenario of this year at all"
not just burn out...also about different pace of development of individual players, also about an overall 7-190 year plan around individuals and squads that build into the Plan , a period for these young men to go off & do normal things, travel, study, socialise .... dont be limited in our thinking to buzz words like "burn-out"...look beyond the terms, and plan for the long term as to how to develop 40-50 county standard players , so that we can finally get to a place of being a Division 1 County , continuously

Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 401 - 02/03/2022 10:10:42    2403384

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Match time is changed to 1pm in Hawkfield. Kildare drew with Dublin and Laois so it seems these 4 teams are fairly even with 3 points being the biggest win. Would be nice to get a competitive win in before championship so hopefully we can do that this Saturday

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 03/03/2022 16:15:41    2403677

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Poor poor preformance

Meath112233 (Meath) - Posts: 38 - 05/03/2022 18:38:07    2403946

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Replying To Meath112233:  "Poor poor preformance"
It wasnt that bad until about 10 mins into the 2nd half, hard to explain how the wheels just completley seem to fall off.

redser123 (Meath) - Posts: 404 - 05/03/2022 19:42:31    2403968

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Understand trying out lots of players but seems management have little idea of their best 24. Very worrying with Championship 4 weeks away.
Difficult to see how we could turn the tables on either Dublin or Kildare should we meet them in the next 6 weeks

Baller2019 (Meath) - Posts: 5 - 05/03/2022 21:29:39    2404004

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I'm really looking forward to the u20 competition this year. In Munster, I'd be hopeful for ourselves. Cork are down a lot of top players due to injuries but still have a lot of talent. Mayo have to be favourites for Connacht driven on by their 5 Senior panellists who should all be available to the 20s. Roscommon may be their biggest test because Tomo Culhane who will be playing with the Seniors is a huge loss for Galway. Tyrone look to be the strongest in Ulster especially with Matthew Downey and Lachlan Murray likely to be unavailable for Derry. Leinster looks to be the hardest to call, not much between yerselves, Kildare and Dublin. How do ye see it playing out?

Kerry15 (Kerry) - Posts: 972 - 06/03/2022 11:44:55    2404042

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