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Replying To Meathball: "So everyone thinks that McGill is a certainty to get his place back?" Yes, he is our only natural full back. Lavin is our only natural man marking corner back to a certain level - talk of either being left out equally mad, they will be two first names on team sheet along with Keogan, Menton & COS as has been the case for years.
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Replying To Bear10: "Can't see James Mc starting I'm afraid but what an impact of bench - Devine will start as andy trusts him to do a job on the pitch . McGill is not a dead cert to start as he could go with Lavin , Ryan Keoghan" Will ya stop McGill will start 100% ! Be suicide to leave him on the bench !
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Replying To Meathball: "So everyone thinks that McGill is a certainty to get his place back?" I never said that. Although I Wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't picked tbh
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Replying To Bear10: "Can't see James Mc starting I'm afraid but what an impact of bench - Devine will start as andy trusts him to do a job on the pitch . McGill is not a dead cert to start as he could go with Lavin , Ryan Keoghan" Mcgill is as much a dead cert to start as keoghan
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Replying To Bear10: "Can't see James Mc starting I'm afraid but what an impact of bench - Devine will start as andy trusts him to do a job on the pitch . McGill is not a dead cert to start as he could go with Lavin , Ryan Keoghan" Maybe. There is a few toss up calls that have to be made. I don't envy management making them
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 05/07/2021 21:39:34
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I think it's a real pity there has been no backdoor door in the last 2 years. I think this Meath team would have done allot of damage in the backdoor than in years gone by. If you look at Meath results with the exception of the kildare game Meathare beating div 4 div 3 div 2 teams well. That's wasn't the case for a long time. Remember loses to Longford in 2018 and losses to Cavan and Tipp in 2018. Losing to Dowin in 2017 and Derry in 2016. Struggling to beat Wicklow in the championship in Navan. Losing to Westmeath in 2015. Losing to Roscommon and Armagh in 2014. Monaghan in 2013, Louth in 2012, drawing with Carlow in 2012. Loses to Fermamagh twice and Wexford twice in 2000s and Cavan also as well as Limerick in the 2000s. Our record was average v these teams since 2002 has been average and at times poor. Now its improved. That's why I think we would have done well through the back door in last 2 years. Navan is a tough place to come to for any team. We could have reached the super 8s ths last two years and our teams development would have accelerated. If we are not winning All Ireland or leinsters or beating Dublin and kerry, some supporters are not happy. We would like to get to that level. But for 20 years, we haven't been at that level. And the level we have been at since 2001 is level were we losing to Louth, Westmeath, Wexford Limerick, Cavan, laois, and Tipp for last 20 years. But since 2018 we have improved v these teams.
Since 2018
We have beaten
Wicklow by 26 points
Longford by 22 points
Carlow by 14 points
Laois by 11 points
Fermanagh by 10 points
Kildare by 9 point and 1 points
Down by 7 points
Armagh by 6 points
Cork by 6 points
Tipp by 4 points
Westmeath and Offaly by a point
Clare by 18 points 11 points 5 points and 1 point
And we drew with Monaghan in Clones.
We have improved allot in terms of consistency. For 20 years, Meath were so inconsistent. The loss to kildare recently was the exception not the rule. And I would put that down to the game being in Newbridge, we haven't beaten them in Newbridge since 1990s. Kildare were on revenge mission, they felt we humiliated them with 5 goals last year. And 8 Meath, injuries which meant we were without so many of best players like Keoghan and Menton, Jones, Walsh, Newman, J Conlon for full 70. If we played kildare in Croke Park in semis with yesterday's team and subs, we could easily win that game. We have beaten kildare in the last 3 leinster semi finals in Croke Park eg 2012 2014 2020.
Also in the last few years Tyrone, Mayo, Galway, Donegal and kerry have all struggled to beat us by a point or two. Even in the league Dublin won by only 4 last year. All signs of improvement. Younger players are really responding well to McEntee. We have more talent coming through. McEntee is the best man to take us forward. He is the most sucessful Meath manager of his generation. And many in the county believe he is doing a good job. He has critics, but he also has allot of supporters. One of the issues if he leaves, we will more than likely end up with a worse manager. There is no top class inter County or top top class managers in the county. Colm O Rourke is the only one with a CV to rival McEntee, but at 60. Its unlikely O Rourke now will ever manage the county. He has been touted three times before. So it's very unlikely it will ever happen now. And outside there is a shortage of top top managers available. Jimmy McGuinness is not coming to Meath, he said he is staying in soccer for next 5 or 6 years. While an ambitious manager like Rochford has jobs on his doorstep. Rochford will be the next Donegal manager if Bonner leaves, or the next Galway manager if Joyce leaves and he could return to Mayo also. All the best teams in the country, with a chance of winning provicial titles. He is not coming to Meath. There is a serious shortage of top top class managers available inside or outside manager. If McEntee leaves, we are looking at unproven inexperienced manager or div 2 or div 3 or div 4 level manager. If McEntee leaves we are looking at Mick O Dowd level manager and if we go outside the county, the potential managers interested and available would have managed div 2 div 3 teams or lower. Andy McEntee has a better CV than any of the above. Make a list of the 5 top class candidates inside and top 5 outside county that would be genuinely interested in the job. And you will find a shortage of great managers.
Give Andy another two years. He is the best man for the job. Many in the county are supportive of McEntee. The critic's wouldn't like to hear that. But he does. Many people like myself believe he is doing a good job. And the county board more importantly, all indications are showing they will support him. Andy will definitely be the manager next year, if he want to stay. And in terms of extension there is many in the county like myself who will want him to stay. If he's get promoted next year. He will be given the chance to try and keep us in div 1 in 2023. That's likely to happen if he wins promotion next year.
If Andy was to leave at end of this year, it would be a blow to Meath. Because the grass is not greener on the other side. We need to find manager as good and than better than Andy McEntee. Finding a manager as good as manager than one that won an All Ireland and got another team to All Ireland final and got another inter County to div 1 for the first time in 13 years and then q final stage for the first time in 9 years. That will not be easy, as there is shortage of great manager available that would be willing to come to Meath. There's no one in the county with the exception of Sean Boylan and Colm.O Rourke who have a CV comparable to McEntee. And if you go outside, there is very few candidates with CV as good as Andy also, who would come to Meath. And remember we are looking for manager better than Andy. Look at Kildare who have a 3 time All.Ireland wining manager, Louth also have 3 time winning manager. We get rid of the only Meath All Ireland winnng manager in a generation and replace him.with div 2 or div 3 level manager or unproven unexperienced manager. And we then think we will improve and close the gap with Dublin, that makes no sense whatsoever. That's the kind of madness we were at in 2006 to 2012. Where did we end up, in Division 3. For the future of Meath football, Andy is the best man for Job. And there are many in the county who agree with that.
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To much read into Wexford game winning margin. The reason the winning margin was so low is because Sunday was the first time in 15 years Dublin played in leinster championship where the opposition where at home. It was first time since 2006 Dublin played a team in the leinster championship where the opposition where in their home ground. Dublin played Wexford in Wexford. And Dublin win by 8. If Dublin played Wexford in Croke Park, Dublin win by 20 to 30. In the mood Dublin could win by 30 plus. They beat Westmeath in Croker by 31 point in last few years. Dublin are a different team in Croke Park.
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The question from our end is have we gottwn better from last yr.and can we put in place a different plan in 2 weeks to give us a performance forget bout talk of wins.
We had there fullforward last yr collecting kick outs .things like that cant be happening sunday week.so pressure is still on andy and co for the reSons of last time we played the dubs.
5/6points in it and i say improving any thing in double digits same old same old.
Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 488 - 06/07/2021 10:21:32
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Replying To Kingkeegan: "I think it's a real pity there has been no backdoor door in the last 2 years. I think this Meath team would have done allot of damage in the backdoor than in years gone by. If you look at Meath results with the exception of the kildare game Meathare beating div 4 div 3 div 2 teams well. That's wasn't the case for a long time. Remember loses to Longford in 2018 and losses to Cavan and Tipp in 2018. Losing to Dowin in 2017 and Derry in 2016. Struggling to beat Wicklow in the championship in Navan. Losing to Westmeath in 2015. Losing to Roscommon and Armagh in 2014. Monaghan in 2013, Louth in 2012, drawing with Carlow in 2012. Loses to Fermamagh twice and Wexford twice in 2000s and Cavan also as well as Limerick in the 2000s. Our record was average v these teams since 2002 has been average and at times poor. Now its improved. That's why I think we would have done well through the back door in last 2 years. Navan is a tough place to come to for any team. We could have reached the super 8s ths last two years and our teams development would have accelerated. If we are not winning All Ireland or leinsters or beating Dublin and kerry, some supporters are not happy. We would like to get to that level. But for 20 years, we haven't been at that level. And the level we have been at since 2001 is level were we losing to Louth, Westmeath, Wexford Limerick, Cavan, laois, and Tipp for last 20 years. But since 2018 we have improved v these teams.
Since 2018
We have beaten
Wicklow by 26 points
Longford by 22 points
Carlow by 14 points
Laois by 11 points
Fermanagh by 10 points
Kildare by 9 point and 1 points
Down by 7 points
Armagh by 6 points
Cork by 6 points
Tipp by 4 points
Westmeath and Offaly by a point
Clare by 18 points 11 points 5 points and 1 point
And we drew with Monaghan in Clones.
We have improved allot in terms of consistency. For 20 years, Meath were so inconsistent. The loss to kildare recently was the exception not the rule. And I would put that down to the game being in Newbridge, we haven't beaten them in Newbridge since 1990s. Kildare were on revenge mission, they felt we humiliated them with 5 goals last year. And 8 Meath, injuries which meant we were without so many of best players like Keoghan and Menton, Jones, Walsh, Newman, J Conlon for full 70. If we played kildare in Croke Park in semis with yesterday's team and subs, we could easily win that game. We have beaten kildare in the last 3 leinster semi finals in Croke Park eg 2012 2014 2020.
Also in the last few years Tyrone, Mayo, Galway, Donegal and kerry have all struggled to beat us by a point or two. Even in the league Dublin won by only 4 last year. All signs of improvement. Younger players are really responding well to McEntee. We have more talent coming through. McEntee is the best man to take us forward. He is the most sucessful Meath manager of his generation. And many in the county believe he is doing a good job. He has critics, but he also has allot of supporters. One of the issues if he leaves, we will more than likely end up with a worse manager. There is no top class inter County or top top class managers in the county. Colm O Rourke is the only one with a CV to rival McEntee, but at 60. Its unlikely O Rourke now will ever manage the county. He has been touted three times before. So it's very unlikely it will ever happen now. And outside there is a shortage of top top managers available. Jimmy McGuinness is not coming to Meath, he said he is staying in soccer for next 5 or 6 years. While an ambitious manager like Rochford has jobs on his doorstep. Rochford will be the next Donegal manager if Bonner leaves, or the next Galway manager if Joyce leaves and he could return to Mayo also. All the best teams in the country, with a chance of winning provicial titles. He is not coming to Meath. There is a serious shortage of top top class managers available inside or outside manager. If McEntee leaves, we are looking at unproven inexperienced manager or div 2 or div 3 or div 4 level manager. If McEntee leaves we are looking at Mick O Dowd level manager and if we go outside the county, the potential managers interested and available would have managed div 2 div 3 teams or lower. Andy McEntee has a better CV than any of the above. Make a list of the 5 top class candidates inside and top 5 outside county that would be genuinely interested in the job. And you will find a shortage of great managers.
Give Andy another two years. He is the best man for the job. Many in the county are supportive of McEntee. The critic's wouldn't like to hear that. But he does. Many people like myself believe he is doing a good job. And the county board more importantly, all indications are showing they will support him. Andy will definitely be the manager next year, if he want to stay. And in terms of extension there is many in the county like myself who will want him to stay. If he's get promoted next year. He will be given the chance to try and keep us in div 1 in 2023. That's likely to happen if he wins promotion next year.
If Andy was to leave at end of this year, it would be a blow to Meath. Because the grass is not greener on the other side. We need to find manager as good and than better than Andy McEntee. Finding a manager as good as manager than one that won an All Ireland and got another team to All Ireland final and got another inter County to div 1 for the first time in 13 years and then q final stage for the first time in 9 years. That will not be easy, as there is shortage of great manager available that would be willing to come to Meath. There's no one in the county with the exception of Sean Boylan and Colm.O Rourke who have a CV comparable to McEntee. And if you go outside, there is very few candidates with CV as good as Andy also, who would come to Meath. And remember we are looking for manager better than Andy. Look at Kildare who have a 3 time All.Ireland wining manager, Louth also have 3 time winning manager. We get rid of the only Meath All Ireland winnng manager in a generation and replace him.with div 2 or div 3 level manager or unproven unexperienced manager. And we then think we will improve and close the gap with Dublin, that makes no sense whatsoever. That's the kind of madness we were at in 2006 to 2012. Where did we end up, in Division 3. For the future of Meath football, Andy is the best man for Job. And there are many in the county who agree with that." in summary...Andy is best of a bad lot...so we have to settle with that.
I don't accept that fully.
Depending on the display on Sunday week I would argue like KK that the most important thing for our progression is that we have some form of stability going into 2022. I am in the camp that feels there is no obvious candidate out there to step into Andy's shoes, as the much heralded Succession Plan went up in smoke two weeks back
Therefore my criteria , again depending on performance , would be Andy to stay on for at least another year....BUT a serious upgrading of the Management Team around Andy......with Appointments to be made by the Three Wise men of at least 3-4 Non Andy appointments...strong characters that will stand up with opposing views , be that on Players, Systems, etc
Andy's greatest weakness...I have always said it..is he is a terrible listener …..the first thing that Andy has to accept in order to Earn another Year or two is to have really good strong guys appointed along with his existing Team...surely we can do that
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Replying To Thelongwoodslasher: "in summary...Andy is best of a bad lot...so we have to settle with that.
I don't accept that fully.
Depending on the display on Sunday week I would argue like KK that the most important thing for our progression is that we have some form of stability going into 2022. I am in the camp that feels there is no obvious candidate out there to step into Andy's shoes, as the much heralded Succession Plan went up in smoke two weeks back
Therefore my criteria , again depending on performance , would be Andy to stay on for at least another year....BUT a serious upgrading of the Management Team around Andy......with Appointments to be made by the Three Wise men of at least 3-4 Non Andy appointments...strong characters that will stand up with opposing views , be that on Players, Systems, etc
Andy's greatest weakness...I have always said it..is he is a terrible listener …..the first thing that Andy has to accept in order to Earn another Year or two is to have really good strong guys appointed along with his existing Team...surely we can do that" Well said there Longwood, Because Andy is the best of a bad lot doesn't mean he gets to stay on.
I've said the defeat v Kildare was the final nail for me. Andy has a a chance next week to kick the lid off that coffin. But it's going to take a monumental effort on his part to do so. Maybe the criticism within the county has galvanised the senior team and if so fair play to them. We'll really need to see a much better performance v Dublin for Andy to keep his job in my opinion. Another genuflection to the Dubs and the team failing to even raise a gallop and he should be resigning straight away never mind allowing him to continue.
I do agree with what you propose there LS in terms of county board or 3 wise men appointing members to the backroom but given recent resignations, I think it cemented andy's position of power and being beyond question. That power for an inter county manager who's won nothing should never be allowed in any county.
I accept that this is only my opinion and given events in recent I fully expect Andy McEntee will be in charge for 2022, whether i agree or not.
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the most interesting thing for me about Sunday week will be how the players respond after last year, our kick out strategy will determine how many scores we give away etc , for me it's never been resolved and it's a big factor on whether he stays or goes , somebody else can quote the stats on how many goalkeepers he has tried. Secondly whilst we have beaten division 2 and 3 teams by higher scores we have still failed to beat a first division team. We can look to the draw with monaghan as our only point in division 1. The super eights was a complete disaster in all honesty bar the Donegal game. we are definitely a more professional outfit than we were in previous years and S&C has improved greatly but if he does decide to walk i think we need to go with an outside manager , the days of giving it to someone within the county because the deserve it should be long gone unless they are winning championships underage etc with Meath.
meath1987 (Meath) - Posts: 127 - 06/07/2021 13:27:24
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Replying To meath1987: "the most interesting thing for me about Sunday week will be how the players respond after last year, our kick out strategy will determine how many scores we give away etc , for me it's never been resolved and it's a big factor on whether he stays or goes , somebody else can quote the stats on how many goalkeepers he has tried. Secondly whilst we have beaten division 2 and 3 teams by higher scores we have still failed to beat a first division team. We can look to the draw with monaghan as our only point in division 1. The super eights was a complete disaster in all honesty bar the Donegal game. we are definitely a more professional outfit than we were in previous years and S&C has improved greatly but if he does decide to walk i think we need to go with an outside manager , the days of giving it to someone within the county because the deserve it should be long gone unless they are winning championships underage etc with Meath." problem with Going Outside is You are invariably saying that what we are lacking is someone to Pull all the various strands together into a cohesive Plan....and You may be right,....there actually may not be a strong enough & positive enough character readily available from within the County to do this
But id say two things.....first same rule applies as I said in previous post....CN would have to appoint a serious backroom team of strong respectful purposeful guys , who will work alongside this outsider....and two....CB clearly need to know what the present incumbents shortcomings are...and hire in someone who can solve those issues
so for example....cant have someone coming in & "scrapping" the S&C or Fitness Plan that has been built up over the last 4-5 years...for their own razamatazz, latest spangled one...just so that they get their hangers on a job as well
I would have my doubts in our CNB being able to articulate any of these thought processes ….so honestly...would not favour an outsider
Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 385 - 06/07/2021 14:10:05
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Replying To Thelongwoodslasher: "problem with Going Outside is You are invariably saying that what we are lacking is someone to Pull all the various strands together into a cohesive Plan....and You may be right,....there actually may not be a strong enough & positive enough character readily available from within the County to do this
But id say two things.....first same rule applies as I said in previous post....CN would have to appoint a serious backroom team of strong respectful purposeful guys , who will work alongside this outsider....and two....CB clearly need to know what the present incumbents shortcomings are...and hire in someone who can solve those issues
so for example....cant have someone coming in & "scrapping" the S&C or Fitness Plan that has been built up over the last 4-5 years...for their own razamatazz, latest spangled one...just so that they get their hangers on a job as well
I would have my doubts in our CNB being able to articulate any of these thought processes ….so honestly...would not favour an outsider" I'd agree with that. I'm on record that Niall Ronan needs to be kept on board with his brief widened to all county teams if he's available for it, across all disciplines and age groups.
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Unless there is clearly a very big improvement by management team in improvements in dealing with the well known recurring basic shortcomings i see no justification for their retention. I would exclude the S&C fitness coach who is clearly up to the task and i would retain him.
It seems our reluctance to deal with this problem is around finding a suitable person to take over. When the vacancy arises i would approach Colm O Rourke for his input ,and with a view to him taking the role if agreement on clearly agreed objectives can be reached
However, maybe yet again we can HOPE that Meath give one hell of a performance against Dublin. I do not expect a win. I will settle for clear evidence that management are learning from prolonged mistakes ,and are willing to listen ,and thus bring in the help and expertise that is so clearly lacking up to now.
nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1227 - 06/07/2021 18:37:01
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seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2149 - 06/07/2021 19:12:30
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Replying To Thelongwoodslasher: "in summary...Andy is best of a bad lot...so we have to settle with that.
I don't accept that fully.
Depending on the display on Sunday week I would argue like KK that the most important thing for our progression is that we have some form of stability going into 2022. I am in the camp that feels there is no obvious candidate out there to step into Andy's shoes, as the much heralded Succession Plan went up in smoke two weeks back
Therefore my criteria , again depending on performance , would be Andy to stay on for at least another year....BUT a serious upgrading of the Management Team around Andy......with Appointments to be made by the Three Wise men of at least 3-4 Non Andy appointments...strong characters that will stand up with opposing views , be that on Players, Systems, etc
Andy's greatest weakness...I have always said it..is he is a terrible listener …..the first thing that Andy has to accept in order to Earn another Year or two is to have really good strong guys appointed along with his existing Team...surely we can do that" I never said that. I will keep it simple. Andy is a good manager doing a good job. I don't think any other manager would have kept us in div 1. We had an injury crisis last spring. We don't have the forwards others division 1 teams have. We had class forwards 10 to 15 years ago. But we are lacking real quality upfront. Put Paul Mannion and Paddy McBreaty into this team and we would be in the top 5 or 6 in the country. Our full forward line on Sunday was Wallace, Sullivan, and Morris. Morris is a poacher, who is real prospect, but still 21 and learning his trade. He has been excellent so far. Sullivan is a wing forward. A small pacey player. Wallace is a small pacey player, while exciting at times, against physical defence and sweepers, he will struggle. Newman is clearly not fully fit and recovering from a massive operation. The best forward we have who can kick long range points is Shane Walsh but he is first 20 so very young, and is injured. We need two or three of these young players to really turn into top class forwards in the coming years. Morris is the real deal, but he needs support. Shane Walsh and James Conlon have potential, but both are developing. Young Frayne of the minors looks a real prospect, but he is so young and you just know how a player will develop. Until we find two more top class forwards, whoever is managing has one of his hands tied behind his back. If we had another two top class forwards we would have beaten Galway, Mayo, kerry and Monaghan in the past year and would have beaten kildare a few weeks ago.
Andy is the best manager and most sucessful Meath manager of his generation. The morale is good in the camp. The players look motivated and driven, that wasn't the case for a long time. People forget the shambles performances v Westmeath in 2015 or Louth on 2012 and another 20 performance I could list, we have seen from Meath since 2002.
McGeeney is in his 7th year this year and only this year you can see huge progress. He had Armagh in div 3 for years and he didn't win championship match in Ulster in his first five years as manager. But Armagh believed he was best man for the job and Armagh are in now in div 1 two years in a row. McGeeney is 8 years manager next year and was selector before that. McGeeney is 10/11 years involved with this Armagh team. Outside the county many people believe Andy McEntee is doing a good job and many in the county do also. Andy is doing a good job, he is good manager who could even become a great manager. Given him another 2 years is not going to end Meath football. It could be the turning point for Meath football. Hickey, Costellos, Walsh, Morris are responding brillantly to him. Let him continue to develop them and other talents like Frayne and Caulfield of the minors.
Final point, people keep talking about this outside manager thats going to improve us. But they don't name any names. It's just a brillant outside manager, but never do they say who this manager is. Name these brilliant managers who are out there waiting to take over the Meath job?. Jimmy McGuinnes and Stephen Rochford are not coming to Meath, there is a bigger chance of Jurgen klopp coming to Meath. The reason they don't name any managers is because this brillant manager doesn't exist. McEntee leaves, the candidates for the job are very average. That's why they cannot name the manager who will take over, because it will be manager who has average CV and possibly worse manager than maybe Mick O Dowd. If you think Meath should bring an outside manager, name the candidates that you think would be realistic options who would be genuinely interested in the job. You will find if you make a list of 5 or 6 candidates. You will see Dublin or a kerry of even kildare wouldn't touch these managers with barge pole. It is not credible to talk about manager and not naming who you want brought in. It's not the proper way to run any organisation. Who are these brillant managers who are real genuine options to take over from McEntee. No one ever names them, because if they nqme the managers who are in line for the job, they are managers with worse CVs than current manager, they are worse managers than current manager, there argument looks ridiculous. That's why they don't name managers to take over McEntee. It's managers like Jimmy McGuinness, Jose Mourihno will take over the Meath job quicker than Jimmy McGuinness. There is group of managers that are on the div 2, div 3 manager merry go around, that's are the candidates we are looking. If you talk about this brillant manager but don't name any names, your not being credible. I am Man Utd soccer fan. I want Ole gone because he is out of his depth. But I know manages like Conte, Brendan Rodgers, Allergi are managers who would be better option than Ole. I would love Conte to take over Utd. I am Meath fan, I think the manager is doing a very job under circumstances. But I also know if he left there is lack of quality managers to come in.
Andy McEntee is doing a good job, is a good manager and could even become a great manager. He will be manager next year, that's a certainty. And if he gets promotion next year he will be manager in 2023. Andy has critics, but he also has allot of support in the county. If you want to get rid of the manager, you need most of the support to turn against manager. McEntee has support in the county. And if we get good performance v Dublin, it will only cemeten his grip on the Meath job for the foreseeable future.
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Replying To Borderroyal: "The question from our end is have we gottwn better from last yr.and can we put in place a different plan in 2 weeks to give us a performance forget bout talk of wins.
We had there fullforward last yr collecting kick outs .things like that cant be happening sunday week.so pressure is still on andy and co for the reSons of last time we played the dubs.
5/6points in it and i say improving any thing in double digits same old same old." No evidence to suggest we have improved since Final last year, kickouts are still killing us, as witnessed in any game where teams push up on us, On Sunday we kicked (under no pressure) four into Longfort arms and one over sideline. Dublin will push right up knowing there is at least 5/6 handy scores on offer. This self inflicted flaw has a grave repercussions on every other aspect of our game and must rip the confidence with every mistake made. It has been happening for four years and if Meath continue to hand Dublin this advantage game is over by h/t, To keep in game we have to find a way to secure majority of our restarts and make sure full back line (who ever plays) has the necessary protection.
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From a Meath perspective, we are hoping for a Dublin regression here to reduce their winning margin. No evidence whatsoever to believe we are any bit better versus last year. In fact, evidence is there to say we have gone backwards a bit.
Coylesrighthand (Meath) - Posts: 11 - 06/07/2021 20:54:11
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Great posts by KingKeegan, Thelongwoodslasher and Brian. I think McEntee has definely improved us a lot but we have started to stagnate and even slightly decline this year so maybe a freshening up of the backroom team
In regards to the game against Dublin, I don't think we are as good as last year so can see another 15+ point hammering incoming, anything under 10 points would be progress I think.
Barney12345 (Meath) - Posts: 33 - 06/07/2021 21:04:53
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Replying To Kingkeegan: "I never said that. I will keep it simple. Andy is a good manager doing a good job. I don't think any other manager would have kept us in div 1. We had an injury crisis last spring. We don't have the forwards others division 1 teams have. We had class forwards 10 to 15 years ago. But we are lacking real quality upfront. Put Paul Mannion and Paddy McBreaty into this team and we would be in the top 5 or 6 in the country. Our full forward line on Sunday was Wallace, Sullivan, and Morris. Morris is a poacher, who is real prospect, but still 21 and learning his trade. He has been excellent so far. Sullivan is a wing forward. A small pacey player. Wallace is a small pacey player, while exciting at times, against physical defence and sweepers, he will struggle. Newman is clearly not fully fit and recovering from a massive operation. The best forward we have who can kick long range points is Shane Walsh but he is first 20 so very young, and is injured. We need two or three of these young players to really turn into top class forwards in the coming years. Morris is the real deal, but he needs support. Shane Walsh and James Conlon have potential, but both are developing. Young Frayne of the minors looks a real prospect, but he is so young and you just know how a player will develop. Until we find two more top class forwards, whoever is managing has one of his hands tied behind his back. If we had another two top class forwards we would have beaten Galway, Mayo, kerry and Monaghan in the past year and would have beaten kildare a few weeks ago.
Andy is the best manager and most sucessful Meath manager of his generation. The morale is good in the camp. The players look motivated and driven, that wasn't the case for a long time. People forget the shambles performances v Westmeath in 2015 or Louth on 2012 and another 20 performance I could list, we have seen from Meath since 2002.
McGeeney is in his 7th year this year and only this year you can see huge progress. He had Armagh in div 3 for years and he didn't win championship match in Ulster in his first five years as manager. But Armagh believed he was best man for the job and Armagh are in now in div 1 two years in a row. McGeeney is 8 years manager next year and was selector before that. McGeeney is 10/11 years involved with this Armagh team. Outside the county many people believe Andy McEntee is doing a good job and many in the county do also. Andy is doing a good job, he is good manager who could even become a great manager. Given him another 2 years is not going to end Meath football. It could be the turning point for Meath football. Hickey, Costellos, Walsh, Morris are responding brillantly to him. Let him continue to develop them and other talents like Frayne and Caulfield of the minors.
Final point, people keep talking about this outside manager thats going to improve us. But they don't name any names. It's just a brillant outside manager, but never do they say who this manager is. Name these brilliant managers who are out there waiting to take over the Meath job?. Jimmy McGuinnes and Stephen Rochford are not coming to Meath, there is a bigger chance of Jurgen klopp coming to Meath. The reason they don't name any managers is because this brillant manager doesn't exist. McEntee leaves, the candidates for the job are very average. That's why they cannot name the manager who will take over, because it will be manager who has average CV and possibly worse manager than maybe Mick O Dowd. If you think Meath should bring an outside manager, name the candidates that you think would be realistic options who would be genuinely interested in the job. You will find if you make a list of 5 or 6 candidates. You will see Dublin or a kerry of even kildare wouldn't touch these managers with barge pole. It is not credible to talk about manager and not naming who you want brought in. It's not the proper way to run any organisation. Who are these brillant managers who are real genuine options to take over from McEntee. No one ever names them, because if they nqme the managers who are in line for the job, they are managers with worse CVs than current manager, they are worse managers than current manager, there argument looks ridiculous. That's why they don't name managers to take over McEntee. It's managers like Jimmy McGuinness, Jose Mourihno will take over the Meath job quicker than Jimmy McGuinness. There is group of managers that are on the div 2, div 3 manager merry go around, that's are the candidates we are looking. If you talk about this brillant manager but don't name any names, your not being credible. I am Man Utd soccer fan. I want Ole gone because he is out of his depth. But I know manages like Conte, Brendan Rodgers, Allergi are managers who would be better option than Ole. I would love Conte to take over Utd. I am Meath fan, I think the manager is doing a very job under circumstances. But I also know if he left there is lack of quality managers to come in.
Andy McEntee is doing a good job, is a good manager and could even become a great manager. He will be manager next year, that's a certainty. And if he gets promotion next year he will be manager in 2023. Andy has critics, but he also has allot of support in the county. If you want to get rid of the manager, you need most of the support to turn against manager. McEntee has support in the county. And if we get good performance v Dublin, it will only cemeten his grip on the Meath job for the foreseeable future." Have to disagree kk.
So ur saying that hes good manager.
I think its hit and miss here with him.
No good manager lets goalie situation ramble on like it has.
No freetaker.very poor discipline on the line at times.looks to rule with fear to me.
Lots of posts here saying we only got better after changing s/c.so fitter means better?
Where is our tactical nous gone or coming from.
Find it hard to believe in him to be honest.few names could form maybd a team to move us forward.
Paul curran davey nelson colm orourke
Malachy orourke graham geraghty.
Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 488 - 07/07/2021 09:58:34
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