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Replying To brian:  "Furlong you're some man for the detail and I do enjoyed reading some of your stuff. However I'd disagree with some of the assertions in the above post about missing 8/9 first starters missing. IMHO a think some of the players you mentioned shouldn't and won't be first team starters this year. Of those you've listed for me the only starters we're missing are Lavin, Harnan Cillian and Mickey. For me Gallagher, McMahon, Devine, S McEntee and Lenihan are not guaranteed starters on this team with everyone fully fit. Now neither of us are right or wrong and we'll split hairs but I'm giving my opinion.

With a fully fit squad my own team would be
Yorke
Lavin McGill Ryan
Keoghan Harnan/Ryan (can split them but Harnan on experience) Kane
Menton Conlon/Jones
Sully Newman J McEntee
J Conlan Walsh E Wallace


Lot of close calls in that team so there could be changes depending on form, fitness etc...

For Sunday I think Andy might go with

Yorke
Clarke McGill Ryan
Keogy Ryan Kane
Menton Conlon
O'Connor Campion J McEntee
E Wallace Walsh O'Reilly

But that's the great thing we all have an opinion at this time of the year and none of us are wrong"
Again splitting hairs but I would have the young lad in instead of Wallace , played few games in obc for life of me can't think of his name no 10 position. Anyway it will come to me as soon as I post. But a great addition.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/01/2020 19:23:00    2261177

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Costello.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/01/2020 19:24:35    2261178

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Where is this push for Dominic Yorke to start in goals coming from? Yes Andy Colgan had some wobbly moments last year but he is still our number one keeper in the squad, and I would have Harry Hogan as second choice, and if people watched Andy's kick outs closely they will see the runs being made were as much to blame for the kick outs going wrong as the kick itself. I will be shocked if Colgan doesn't start.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 997 - 20/01/2020 22:02:53    2261224

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "Where is this push for Dominic Yorke to start in goals coming from? Yes Andy Colgan had some wobbly moments last year but he is still our number one keeper in the squad, and I would have Harry Hogan as second choice, and if people watched Andy's kick outs closely they will see the runs being made were as much to blame for the kick outs going wrong as the kick itself. I will be shocked if Colgan doesn't start."
Theres wobbly moments and there is what happened in the super 8s against mayo and Donegal. Runs might be bad but kicking out over the line and continuously kicking the ball away when we reach last quarter is not

Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 687 - 21/01/2020 08:38:19    2261252

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With all the uncertainty over injuries its tough to know what way we will get on this Sunday. Overall I am more positive that we can survive Div 1 now than I was last year when we promoted. With the likes of Walsh Jack Oconnor Yorke Costello clarke coming in and the Wallaces back Leinhan Conlon back it add to the competition for places. Also the fact that we had a trial run in supers 8's was massive and it should give us a heads up for whats cumming down the tracks, with regard living with Div 1 teams. With the injuries team selection with key as to how we get on Sunday.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1265 - 21/01/2020 09:52:20    2261259

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Replying To Thejoeshow:  "Theres wobbly moments and there is what happened in the super 8s against mayo and Donegal. Runs might be bad but kicking out over the line and continuously kicking the ball away when we reach last quarter is not"
What happened against Mayo was one bad kickout and a rush of blood to the head. From the one outing I have seen Yorke against Louth in the O'Byrne cup his kickouts were poor enough. Colgan has much better kickouts and can come up and take frees/45's like he has been doing for his club.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 997 - 21/01/2020 12:06:00    2261290

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "What happened against Mayo was one bad kickout and a rush of blood to the head. From the one outing I have seen Yorke against Louth in the O'Byrne cup his kickouts were poor enough. Colgan has much better kickouts and can come up and take frees/45's like he has been doing for his club."
Against Donegal was the same. My issue isn't with the ability, I don't think there is much between them, but Andy looked to struggle with the pressure at the big moments in those games and happened more than once. That is not something you can have

Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 687 - 21/01/2020 12:40:26    2261300

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "What happened against Mayo was one bad kickout and a rush of blood to the head. From the one outing I have seen Yorke against Louth in the O'Byrne cup his kickouts were poor enough. Colgan has much better kickouts and can come up and take frees/45's like he has been doing for his club."
One bad kick out are you having a laugh.

This happened v Tyrone in 2018, multiple times v Offaly in Navan in 2019 and these things costs us scores. The Dub's had a field day in the leinster final and we could barley keep the ball kicked out to them they had us under so much pressure. The super 8 games were just as bad and he's liable to a rush of blood which costs us a penalty and him being sent off v Mayo.

Teams know he's shaky at best on kicks outs and push up to make him go long. When he goes long hes likely to shank or slice the kick than pick out his man. That's not good enough in modern inter county football.

Yorke is being given an opportunity and showed he can be a good shot stopper and an distribute the ball and taht should be allowed continue.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 21/01/2020 13:35:39    2261319

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Replying To Thejoeshow:  "Against Donegal was the same. My issue isn't with the ability, I don't think there is much between them, but Andy looked to struggle with the pressure at the big moments in those games and happened more than once. That is not something you can have"
And what tells you that a goal keeper with zero experience at any inter county level be that minor,U21, senior or even junior level will handle the pressure any better. Yorke is a decent keeper but not a inter county one.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 997 - 21/01/2020 15:45:50    2261359

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "And what tells you that a goal keeper with zero experience at any inter county level be that minor,U21, senior or even junior level will handle the pressure any better. Yorke is a decent keeper but not a inter county one."
You can only find out by playing, colgan is not an inter county one either, tried and proven not at that level

Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 687 - 21/01/2020 17:06:48    2261376

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "And what tells you that a goal keeper with zero experience at any inter county level be that minor,U21, senior or even junior level will handle the pressure any better. Yorke is a decent keeper but not a inter county one."
Colgan didn't have any experience either but you give the person a chance and see how they perform. He's not the best keeper in his club never mind the county.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 21/01/2020 17:39:06    2261380

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Replying To brian:  "Colgan didn't have any experience either but you give the person a chance and see how they perform. He's not the best keeper in his club never mind the county."
Andy Colgan played U21 for Meath in a Leinster final and was in the Senior squad at certain times under Mick O'Dowd. The best of the three keepers available to Meath at the minute, Yorke third choice. Simple as that. Some people need to take off their North Meath glasses when they are talking about who should and shouldn't start. The team is picked based on talent, not location as some like to believe in order to excuse their region of the county for not developing any decent footballers in twenty years.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 997 - 21/01/2020 18:54:32    2261402

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Hopefully the kick out strategy has been sorted, was a real problem last season. Could see every error draining the confidence out of team. Not all down to keeper, players to late making runs one or two cases of lads not facing kickout, poor fielding and so on. Some problems are beyond our control, not this one.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2195 - 21/01/2020 20:19:00    2261426

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "Andy Colgan played U21 for Meath in a Leinster final and was in the Senior squad at certain times under Mick O'Dowd. The best of the three keepers available to Meath at the minute, Yorke third choice. Simple as that. Some people need to take off their North Meath glasses when they are talking about who should and shouldn't start. The team is picked based on talent, not location as some like to believe in order to excuse their region of the county for not developing any decent footballers in twenty years."
What North Meath glasses are you on about. That's a bit of a jump. But whatever suits your argument..

Yorke is third choice in your opinion. In a lot of other people's opinions he's first and in a lot of other people's opinions Colgan shouldn't be anywhere near this squad. That's the way of the world, people have opinions.

Yes you're right the team is picked on talent and not location, no one is arguing with you about that and right now Colgan isn't the most talented keeper in the county. Our opinions differ but that's whats great about forums.

Also some like to believe in order to excuse their region of the county for not developing any decent footballers in twenty years. Ollie Murphy, Daithi Regan, Michael Newman. I suppose they're rubbish are they. This arbotrary North Meath debate has been done to death, they're all Meath players when they pull on the jersey

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 22/01/2020 09:53:35    2261498

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "Andy Colgan played U21 for Meath in a Leinster final and was in the Senior squad at certain times under Mick O'Dowd. The best of the three keepers available to Meath at the minute, Yorke third choice. Simple as that. Some people need to take off their North Meath glasses when they are talking about who should and shouldn't start. The team is picked based on talent, not location as some like to believe in order to excuse their region of the county for not developing any decent footballers in twenty years."
If Colgan is the best keeper we have then we are in some trouble. Was he not second choice at Ashbourne in recent seasons

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1489 - 22/01/2020 10:13:33    2261504

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Replying To Analyst:  "If Colgan is the best keeper we have then we are in some trouble. Was he not second choice at Ashbourne in recent seasons"
He was until Jack Hannigan travelled over sea's

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 22/01/2020 10:29:54    2261511

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Replying To brian:  "What North Meath glasses are you on about. That's a bit of a jump. But whatever suits your argument..

Yorke is third choice in your opinion. In a lot of other people's opinions he's first and in a lot of other people's opinions Colgan shouldn't be anywhere near this squad. That's the way of the world, people have opinions.

Yes you're right the team is picked on talent and not location, no one is arguing with you about that and right now Colgan isn't the most talented keeper in the county. Our opinions differ but that's whats great about forums.

Also some like to believe in order to excuse their region of the county for not developing any decent footballers in twenty years. Ollie Murphy, Daithi Regan, Michael Newman. I suppose they're rubbish are they. This arbotrary North Meath debate has been done to death, they're all Meath players when they pull on the jersey"
I agree that there are 4 or 5 better goalkeepers in the county than Colgan and Yorke who for whatever reason can't commit to the county scene or haven't been asked but out of what we have andy Colgan is the best of the three and Yorke is third choice with Harry Hogan second (possibly pushing for first) in my opinion, which is based on the evidence i have seen with my two eyes. Also the year is now 2020 and Ollie Murphy was produced in the 90's with Daithi Regan in the very early 2000's. Newman yes within the last twenty years. While i understand the population is greater in east meath than in north Meath there are still some very small clubs in east Meath with similar playing numbers to those in north Meath who have produced extremely talented players and have been successful without huge numbers and that is down to organisation and quality coaching, which has probably been the biggest down fall of other smaller clubs in meath rather than just not having as many numbers and blaming dubs for moving into ratoath, ashbourne and Dunboyne.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 997 - 22/01/2020 11:13:13    2261523

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hard to see us win on Sunday.. but the best time to play Tyrone is early on so I'm hopeful we will go close.

2020Vision (Meath) - Posts: 29 - 22/01/2020 11:30:43    2261526

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Best Players Play
Meath have their best players on the pitch
Part of being a good player is a willingness to be part of the panel and commit to the grind
Those who do so and are chosen to play are the best players

Kickouts
Hopefully the Meath kickouts will evolve this year - attitude improved in year one, defence improved over the last two years and the ball retention and use of possession took a step forward last year


Kickouts are very much a collective responsibility , generally the ability to create separation between one of your players and opponent

Much like NFL this is easier to achieve this through design than it is through any other means
On a large percentage of kickouts the completion expectancy should be very high , i,e, a very straightforward passes - this is the most effective model to guarantee possession

Difficult kicks such as these ones should be avoided and generally the top teams don't try them unless they very much have to, essentially they are low probabilty plays
Over a corner forward to a corner back
Rifle directly to a player's chest
etc

Review the 2019 Meath team kickouts and you will see as a team Meath were too often relying on low percentage kickouts

Generating more of the "tap in" variety offers a big opportunity for 2020 , of course given the double impact of retaining possession / creating an attack and denying your opponent an attack

In summary
Retaining 3/4 more of our own kickouts per game will mean a 2-3 point swing in every match we play
Better team effort and design required to have more easier kickouts
There should be small opportunity also to win more kickouts through better execution / more accurate kicking

goosey (Meath) - Posts: 61 - 22/01/2020 13:48:20    2261552

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I dont know why people are so hung up about who plays in goals. With any new players they have to be tried and tested at some stage meaths obyrne cup matches were hardly much to go by. Gale force wind v louth can you judge kickouts based on that? miserable winter weather for much of the games. Yeah it would be absolutely fantastic for the county if they survive div 1 but the league is also the time were you get to judge players against better opponents than what they faced in the obyrne cup to see when it comes to championships are these players good enough. Everyone will have a different opinion on loads of different players but why write them off without giving them a chance? That's just not about goalkeepers but any position on the pitch. You cant form opinions on one or two matches played in miserable DECEMBER weather Andy will put out who he sees fit against Tyrone and we should get behind the team and support them.

glover (Meath) - Posts: 24 - 22/01/2020 14:06:35    2261557

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