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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "They would as you say "go for it" if management would let them go for it and express themselves… Players are afraid to make mistakes as it will be highlighted by the eagle eyed stats men and the player in question will be dragged over the coals for loosing possession… The whole enjoyment is gone out of playing County football and hence you only have robotic type players now turning out… The more skilful exiting type of players are now overlooked because they pose a greater risk of giving away possession which with modern coaches is a big no no…. Is it any wonder the dwindling crowds at games are getting quieter and quieter all the time…?" I think part of the frustration for Cavan supporters is that when the team starts with real intent they have played great football, the 2019 game against Monaghan in Breffni, 2019 replay with Armagh when we went 7/8 points up in the first 25 minutes, the 2020 Ulster Final when we took the game to Donegal and they only got back into it cos of Gunners black card, even the semi-final against Donegal last year where in my opinion in the first half this Cavan team played the best football they have ever played. If you are going to blame Mickey for the lack of intensity last Saturday and exonerate the players then by the same token you have to credit him for all the above games for getting it right. So to be honest I don't know where exactly the problem lies but I don't think it's totally down to Mickey.
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Replying To BreffniGael: "I think part of the frustration for Cavan supporters is that when the team starts with real intent they have played great football, the 2019 game against Monaghan in Breffni, 2019 replay with Armagh when we went 7/8 points up in the first 25 minutes, the 2020 Ulster Final when we took the game to Donegal and they only got back into it cos of Gunners black card, even the semi-final against Donegal last year where in my opinion in the first half this Cavan team played the best football they have ever played. If you are going to blame Mickey for the lack of intensity last Saturday and exonerate the players then by the same token you have to credit him for all the above games for getting it right. So to be honest I don't know where exactly the problem lies but I don't think it's totally down to Mickey." The bottom line is I think the level of football we have being playing at ie Div 3/4 is not intense enough to consistently compete against teams of a higher standard.
We lose to Antrim but expect to beat Armagh?
Ok you can say it was only the league but would teams like Derry, Tyrone , Armagh lose to Antrim even with half a team? No they wouldn't.
Regularly playing the bigger team even losing but learning will improve us more than beating London or Wexford by 15 points.
We need to raise the standard of opposition , only then will our own standards be raised
Wait and see the last 8 in the championship and count the Div 3/4 teams in it. There won't be any.
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 28/04/2023 13:11:19
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Replying To BreffniGael: "I think part of the frustration for Cavan supporters is that when the team starts with real intent they have played great football, the 2019 game against Monaghan in Breffni, 2019 replay with Armagh when we went 7/8 points up in the first 25 minutes, the 2020 Ulster Final when we took the game to Donegal and they only got back into it cos of Gunners black card, even the semi-final against Donegal last year where in my opinion in the first half this Cavan team played the best football they have ever played. If you are going to blame Mickey for the lack of intensity last Saturday and exonerate the players then by the same token you have to credit him for all the above games for getting it right. So to be honest I don't know where exactly the problem lies but I don't think it's totally down to Mickey." Cavan had played in Division 1 in 2019, thanks to Mattie McGleenan getting them promoted.. While they wrelegated it was a help going into the championship. It 2020 they were playing Division 2. Good standard of teams like Roscommon,Armagh, Kildare.
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2825 - 28/04/2023 13:59:25
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Replying To FoolsGold: "Cavan had played in Division 1 in 2019, thanks to Mattie McGleenan getting them promoted.. While they wrelegated it was a help going into the championship. It 2020 they were playing Division 2. Good standard of teams like Roscommon,Armagh, Kildare." Consistently playing at a higher level is a must alright but getting that balance between League and Championship is difficult for teams like Cavan who don't have great depth. Mickey hedged his bets on that front but we ended up tumbling down the leagues, even if there were some freak reasons for that - split league in 2020, shortened league in 2021 (making no excuse for the Wicklow game though). The League practically running into the Championship now also poses problems. I think that's why they completely took the foot off the pedal in the last two League games as they were promoted and were trying to emulate that normal 5/6 weeks gap between League and Championship. We had no choice but to get promoted both this year and last and it could also be the case that winning those 5 games on the trot took more than we thought, but so be it. They will also have to prioritise the League next year just to stay in Div 2 and in fact they are better staying there for a couple of years rather than going up to Div 1 and straight back down. Like Armagh, Roscommon and Galway we need to spend a bit of time in Div 1 the next time we go up.
BreffniGael (Cavan) - Posts: 46 - 28/04/2023 16:14:53
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Replying To Breffni1969: "The bottom line is I think the level of football we have being playing at ie Div 3/4 is not intense enough to consistently compete against teams of a higher standard.
We lose to Antrim but expect to beat Armagh?
Ok you can say it was only the league but would teams like Derry, Tyrone , Armagh lose to Antrim even with half a team? No they wouldn't.
Regularly playing the bigger team even losing but learning will improve us more than beating London or Wexford by 15 points.
We need to raise the standard of opposition , only then will our own standards be raised
Wait and see the last 8 in the championship and count the Div 3/4 teams in it. There won't be any." Excellent post and right to the point… Our playing in Div 3/4 has really set us back big time… 3 wasted years while 4/5 of our more senior players were seeing their best days toiling in the basement leagues and then expected to up the ante come Championship time… It just can't happen even though Micky Graham and a few geniuses on here said it would make no difference … bonkers stuff
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Reading the comments on the devasting battering by Armagh, two or three things stand out. Armagh have been playing at highest level, and this is down to being in Div 1. The pace. Cavan were destroyed sadly. From the throw in, Armagh were flying. They just waited till Cavan hit the there half back line every time, and hit Cavan hard each timer. Turn over after turn over. It was like Cavan never expected it. Armagh, like most Ulster teams always hit teams hard in half back line.
What were management thinking? Over and over the same thing. Cavan were static, lost, but the biggest thing being the amount of slipping, dropping of the ball, shocking passes, and mistakes made. Ciarán Brady what a key player, was stopped at base every time as teams know he is strong. In contrast, Armagh had no wides in the first half. They had two or three options each time, and there forwards were just picking off scores. Cavan in response had 16 wides, tough shots, but nothing went. Cavan only had a go at 50 minutes. The crowd was high, and waiting for something to get excited about, but Cavan never gave the crowd the chance to get involved. Nothing. Galligan is usually better at 45's, but on Saturday little happened. Kiernan, Conor Brady especially, Oisín Brady, Faulker and Tiernan Madden tried hard, but it was men against boys. Jason was a huge lose, the most consistent player over last 10 years. The amount of times Cavan took the wrong option was insane. So slow and stale. Sad thing is Armagh are leaky, can be got at. Cavan beat Down well in the league, but on Sunday Down will give Armagh a bloody tight game. Anyone watching Conor Laverty in the pre game running against Donegal or U-20s Derry this week, would die for him. Down will not fear them at all.
It must be pointed out that McVitty was clearly not fit. Boy what a player, but he was just not on full steam. Nothing worse than seeing an injured player moved about in three different lines, but clearly not fit. One wonders what the subs, or squad were thinking? Cavan made it so easy for Armagh. It could have been 12+ by half time. Gearóid was bouncing about, but in first half, no where. So slow on the ball. Left to Oisín Kiernan to look for good passes, surely Marty Reilly should have played. I think Cavan froze, maybe too much tactics, n plans and not enough fight? A lot of deep thinking needed. Mickey is fantastic, but this was bad stuff.
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Replying To veterngaa: "Men against boys! Tailteann Cup is your level" At least we know it, a lot of boys around who think they are men until hammered by eight points!
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Replying To Breffini1967: "Reading the comments on the devasting battering by Armagh, two or three things stand out. Armagh have been playing at highest level, and this is down to being in Div 1. The pace. Cavan were destroyed sadly. From the throw in, Armagh were flying. They just waited till Cavan hit the there half back line every time, and hit Cavan hard each timer. Turn over after turn over. It was like Cavan never expected it. Armagh, like most Ulster teams always hit teams hard in half back line.
What were management thinking? Over and over the same thing. Cavan were static, lost, but the biggest thing being the amount of slipping, dropping of the ball, shocking passes, and mistakes made. Ciarán Brady what a key player, was stopped at base every time as teams know he is strong. In contrast, Armagh had no wides in the first half. They had two or three options each time, and there forwards were just picking off scores. Cavan in response had 16 wides, tough shots, but nothing went. Cavan only had a go at 50 minutes. The crowd was high, and waiting for something to get excited about, but Cavan never gave the crowd the chance to get involved. Nothing. Galligan is usually better at 45's, but on Saturday little happened. Kiernan, Conor Brady especially, Oisín Brady, Faulker and Tiernan Madden tried hard, but it was men against boys. Jason was a huge lose, the most consistent player over last 10 years. The amount of times Cavan took the wrong option was insane. So slow and stale. Sad thing is Armagh are leaky, can be got at. Cavan beat Down well in the league, but on Sunday Down will give Armagh a bloody tight game. Anyone watching Conor Laverty in the pre game running against Donegal or U-20s Derry this week, would die for him. Down will not fear them at all.
It must be pointed out that McVitty was clearly not fit. Boy what a player, but he was just not on full steam. Nothing worse than seeing an injured player moved about in three different lines, but clearly not fit. One wonders what the subs, or squad were thinking? Cavan made it so easy for Armagh. It could have been 12+ by half time. Gearóid was bouncing about, but in first half, no where. So slow on the ball. Left to Oisín Kiernan to look for good passes, surely Marty Reilly should have played. I think Cavan froze, maybe too much tactics, n plans and not enough fight? A lot of deep thinking needed. Mickey is fantastic, but this was bad stuff." The cavan team looked strong on paper, however had no fire in their belly, which is the key ingredient in ulster championship football no matter what tactics are adapted!
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Replying To Irongael: "The cavan team looked strong on paper, however had no fire in their belly, which is the key ingredient in ulster championship football no matter what tactics are adapted!" The cavan team looked strong on paper, however had no fire in their belly, which is the key ingredient in ulster championship football no matter what tactics are adapted!
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RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 878 - 30/04/2023 17:56:56
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Replying To Irongael: "The cavan team looked strong on paper, however had no fire in their belly, which is the key ingredient in ulster championship football no matter what tactics are adapted!" Unfortunately they didn't look near as strong on grass which is where the game was actually played….
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A reasonable group in our Taltainn Cup campaign… I wonder where the Offaly game will be .. Longford or Navan perhaps..?
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 02/05/2023 16:58:55
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "A reasonable group in our Taltainn Cup campaign… I wonder where the Offaly game will be .. Longford or Navan perhaps..?" Mullingar?
blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 885 - 02/05/2023 18:02:47
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are all teams guaranteed a group game in croke park?
i.am.legend (UK) - Posts: 46 - 03/05/2023 10:49:45
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Replying To i.am.legend: "are all teams guaranteed a group game in croke park?" First match is at home for Cavan v Laois, second is away in London and the last game is at a neutral venue v Offaly.
5allirelands (Cavan) - Posts: 90 - 03/05/2023 13:01:16
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Replying To i.am.legend: "are all teams guaranteed a group game in croke park?" No. A home game, an away game, and 1 game at a Neutral venue.
Neutral venues not yet chosen.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5195 - 03/05/2023 13:11:34
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Replying To i.am.legend: "are all teams guaranteed a group game in croke park?" I wouldn't think so… the place would be like a morgue
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 03/05/2023 13:26:50
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "I wouldn't think so… the place would be like a morgue" Yeah Christ imagine Cavan playing Offaly in croke park with about 500 people at it. Any word on what sort of team we'll have out Saturday evening, full strength?
IamADragon (Cavan) - Posts: 306 - 08/05/2023 15:11:09
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Replying To IamADragon: "Yeah Christ imagine Cavan playing Offaly in croke park with about 500 people at it. Any word on what sort of team we'll have out Saturday evening, full strength?" Well hopefully we don't play injured players like we did lads time out but you couldn't be sure of that… McKiernan full forward now full time or nowhere at all… Faulkner to midfield and Clarke back full back or off…. he can't play out the field… Speed the play up and stop this slow backwards play that has everyone bored to tears…. Last chance saloon for Graham..
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 09/05/2023 10:20:53
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Well hopefully we don't play injured players like we did lads time out but you couldn't be sure of that… McKiernan full forward now full time or nowhere at all… Faulkner to midfield and Clarke back full back or off…. he can't play out the field… Speed the play up and stop this slow backwards play that has everyone bored to tears…. Last chance saloon for Graham.." Personally I'd go Faulkner centre half back as he's a good reader of the game.
Drop Holla back to full back.
Mc Kiernan in full forward but you have to kick the ball into him!
Lynch and Martin Reilly in close to goal playing off McKiernan. Reilly an expert at creating space and good for some simple scores.
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 09/05/2023 11:26:03
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We have an all star full back.
Why are so many calling for him to be moved out the field?
By all means, stick him on the opposition's main scoring thread as a man marker, but not out to midfield.
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